WTC - Controlled Demo Admission by Fox News

Here's a key paragraph in the article first. Click the link for more:

Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.

www.foxnews.com...

When does the cover-up stop?

Now they are admitting to Controlled Demo that we've been stating for YEARS
with proof, science and the only possible method.

New questions:

1. How do you wire a building for controlled demo in a few hours (never mind a full day)

2. When are the governement loyalists going to wake up?

Apparently have problems with reading comprehension....

It is not FOX news reporting this

It is a opinion piece concerning claims by Jesse Ventura

Ventura makes claims that NYPD/CON ED workers overheard Silverstein

Now where was Silverstein? No evidence has been presented that he was
at WTC scene that day

What time was this? Know that FDNY commander called him late afternoon (past 3pm) that WTC 7 was being abandoned

Ventura presents no evidence - just hear-say.....

reply to post by thedman


I'f I'm not mistaken, theres a whole thing about Larry Stilverstein being on the pone, and trying to reword what he meant. Larry Stevenson being on the phone with his inurance is a fact now, however exactly what he said is not.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Good Intentions]

No, actually, when will the self serving conspiracy theorists stopp makign false accusations and dragging people's reputations through the mud for their agenda? It was bad enough that you people are accusing the NY Fire Dept of being a part of this sinister plot to murder 3,000+ people with that other Silverstein controlled demolitions bit. Now, you'reaccusing the NYPD and Con-Edison of being a part of this sinister plot to murder 3,000+ people, too.

How secret can this, "secret plot" possibly be if there are all these thousands of people from the NYFD to the NYPD to the NYPA to the FAA to NORAD to Con-Edison to the Red Cross to the 9/11 commission to the etc etc etc who are in on it?

Apparently a couple of you are overlooking the point and are too blind to acknowledge it.

Maybe someone can read the line about the reporter (Shapiro) stating
that he was told that Larry was going to pull the building by NYPD/Con Ed
workers.

"Pull it"

"He was talking about the firemen!"

EDIT: Changed "someone" to "a couple"

[edit on 7-5-2010 by turbofan]

reply to post by turbofan


I can't tell if you believe that statement, or are laughing at it. I'm leaning more towards lauging at it since you put the smileys after it lol. There's more information on that statement, including how they tried to explain what he meant, and ending up making it even worse than it was. One thing was that there were statements that there were no fireman in the building anyway.

But the point is, the Larry Silverstien comment is not hearsay, the call itself is true, however what exactly was said depends on which explanation you believe.

Originally posted by turbofan
Apparently a couple of you are overlooking the point and are too blind to acknowledge it.

Maybe someone can read the line about the reporter (Shapiro) stating
that he was told that Larry was going to pull the building by NYPD/Con Ed
workers.

"Pull it"

"He was talking about the firemen!"

"Pull it." or "PULL OUT" Which one did he say? Since "Pull it" has no meaning in that situation, I'm pretty sure it was "Pull out". Silverstein does have a bit of an accent in his voice.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
How secret can this, "secret plot" possibly be if there are all these thousands of people from the NYFD to the NYPD to the NYPA to the FAA to NORAD to Con-Edison to the Red Cross to the 9/11 commission to the etc etc etc who are in on it?

On a need to know basis you don't need many people in the know.

History offer a few examples like blechley park that cracked secret codes from the Germans (Checkout the polish link on this one they forget to mention)

Joint invasion of Germany for D-Day invasions.

Manhatten project.

A lot of fire fighters came forward and told the truth but all are under threat that they will loss pensions, jobs if they breath another word.

Some one once said drugs were being sold on the streets of amercia to fund a war, mad i know but all true and now we are in afganistan and drug production is up 300% !

Are you sure buildings can fall down like they did on 9/11 without any questions in your mind when the CIA was started using Hittlers SS squad and top scientists who were sent to american under operation paper clip.

Look at the Bush family with two presidents to it's name and yet grandad Bush traded with the enermy during WWII and jed Bush was in control of security at the towers on 9/11.

I offer you this opportunity to select one of the subjects outlined above to see if you can debunk it and most here will know i've only scratched the surface on this subject.

coinsidence theory only goes so far but if you want to convince yourself that a man on a donkey, living in a cave had a 400% sucess rate one day with zero sucess since (becaue my gran can not carry kniting needels anymore) and now we are unable to find him when we managed to find sadam within a few months then thats up to you but excuse me for not agreeing.

The brits had bin-laden surounded in a cave or so we are told and the americans somehow managed to let him go and we also had the lockerby bomber that was allowed to escape because his apeal was going to create too many questions about his involvment in killing 200 people.

you don't think these people were allowed to escape for a reason do you !

The american military complex and it's banksters don't care what people think anymore, americans least of all and they are doing very little to hide their activity at home or abroad and nothing is even done about all the ilegal wire taps across the states so given these conditions some people will find it hard to come to terms with the terifiying truth and seek ways to justify their own logic and it's nothing new because once upon a time you got your head chopped off if you said the world was round and few cowards dare say otherwise.

Funney you should talk about the "9/11 commission" and NYFD as if they are singing from the same hyme book and i'm sure you know the "9/11 commission" shut the NYFD out from the inquest and maybe you recall the video where two fire fighters recall hearing Bang,Bang, Bang and then the building came down as if it had demolistion charges inside the building.

Truth for 9/11 has many first responders who far from agree with the offical 9/11 story which must kinda make you think but maybe you need to hear it from the horses mouth.

www.youtube.com...

I know we don't have all the facts right and i know the earth is not perfectly round and no one could pull the towers and get away with it but i'm not the one thats saying they have got away with anything and even after all these years a significant number of people still will not except the offical story so if the govermernt has nothing to hide then why will they not listen to the people and present facts, in public that will stand up to question and peer review or is it as i say and they simply don't give a dam anymore.

reply to post by turbofan


ON AND ON IT GOES

i feel so bad for all the good people being falsely accused of some other worldly conspiracy it takes a lot of will to keep a secret and im supposed to beleive all these diffrent agencys and private citizens have kept this secret without disclosure not a chance

o well away i go

Be Well

This comment by Shapiro definitely brings the Silverstein "pull it" statement back to the forefront of scrutiny and rightly so.

It's no secret that the firefighters had been told that the building was coming down proving foreknowledge.

Firemen evacuated the area as they prepared for the collapse of Building Seven. "We heard a Mayday for everybody to get out of the building [140 West] -- no, I'm sorry, an urgent, three urgents, and we came out of the building [before 4 p.m.]. ... We were then positioned on Vesey Street between North End and the West Side Highway because there was an imminent collapse on 7 World Trade, and it did collapse." [Brian Fitzpatrick, Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)]

"It's blowin' boy." ... "Keep your eye on that building, it'll be coming down soon." ... "The building is about to blow up, move it back." ... "Here we are walking back. There's a building, about to blow up..."

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro is a former Washington, D.C. prosecutor and investigative reporter

www.foxnews.com...

My investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories and urban legends led me to interview both American and Israeli intelligence officials as well as representatives of the Afghan Northern Alliance, FBI, NYPD and sources within the Muslim community of New York City.

Although I found trace evidence that vague rumors circulated within the Arab-American community that “something was going to happen” in “lower downtown Manhattan” on Sept. 11, I found no evidence of any conspiracy other than the one hatched by Al Qaeda that was later confirmed by the 9/11 Commission.

Since Al Qaeda once operated out of the Alkifah Refugee Center on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn and had many low level operatives working in the NYC area, it did not surprise me that rumors of their plan had leaked within the Arab-American community of New York. Many similar rumors and reports occur frequently, however, and so I have never faulted the Arab-American community or our government for not acting upon them.

In no instance did I ever once talk to one source who even hinted the American government had any foreknowledge or involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks. As an investigative reporter who survived the collapse of Building 7 and doggedly investigated 9/11 conspiracy theories in the wake of the attack, I am convinced the 9/11 “Truther” movement is nothing more than a paranoid, delusional pack of lies.

I was there.

I know what happened, and there is no single credible piece of evidence that implicates the United States of America in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Originally posted by thedman
Apparently have problems with reading comprehension....

Oooohhh, let's talk about reading comprehension, shall we?

You said:

Originally posted by thedman
Ventura makes claims that NYPD/CON ED workers overheard Silverstein

Ventura did not make that claim. Jeffrey Scott Shapiro, a former Washington, D.C. prosecutor and investigative reporter was the one who made the claim.

Looks like your reading comprehension skills could use a refresher.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


Doesn't answer the question - When did Silverstein supposedly make this
statement? Would have had about 2 hours from time FDNY abandoned
WTC 7 to when it collapsed. Now did anyone see Silverstein at WTC
scene? If so where? When? Any photgraphs of Silverstein?

Truthers are very big on demanding all sort of details (serial numbers of all aircraft parts) - yet willing to accept this without shred of evidence

So what is it....

reply to post by LieBuster

Joint invasion of Germany for D-Day invasions.

You mean the landings in Normandy...not Germany.

Manhatten project.

That was penetrated by spies reporting back to Josef Stalin.

A lot of fire fighters came forward and told the truth but all are under threat that they will loss pensions, jobs if they breath another word.

Internet lie.

Are you sure buildings can fall down like they did on 9/11 without any questions in your mind when the CIA was started using Hittlers SS squad and top scientists who were sent to american under operation paper clip.

Not quite sure WHAT your point is here....

Look at the Bush family with two presidents to it's name and yet grandad Bush traded with the enermy during WWII and jed Bush was in control of security at the towers on 9/11.

Wow...Bush Derangement Sydrome strikes. Prescott Bush was elected to the Senate not long after World War II (wonder how that happened if he had been "trading" with the enemy). His business dealings were with Fritz Thyssen who DID help Hitler rise to power. However, Mr Thyssen ended up fleeing Germany after a break up with Hitler prior to World War II (yes its a bit more complicated, but im giving the Cliff notes version).

Pretty sure you are talking about Marvin Bush in control of security at the Towers, since JEB Bush was Governor of Florida. However, you would still be off the mark completely. John O'Neill was in charge of security (along with the PA Police Department) on 9/11/01. Marvin Bush had been on the board of Securacom, a company that had once had a contract to install security systems at the Towers, but they could not handle the contractor role and was excused from the contract. They ended up as a subcontractor to another company that oversaw the work. No matter, because Marvin Bush left Securacom in June 2000...before his brother was even the GOP nominee for President.

Truth for 9/11 has many first responders who far from agree with the offical 9/11 story which must kinda make you think but maybe you need to hear it from the horses mouth.

And to date...NONE of whom were actually there that day.

I offer you this opportunity to select one of the subjects outlined above to see if you can debunk it and most here will know i've only scratched the surface on this subject.

OH...you only wanted to me pick apart ONE of your claims.......

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
No, actually, when will the self serving conspiracy theorists stopp makign false accusations and dragging people's reputations through the mud for their agenda? It was bad enough that you people are accusing the NY Fire Dept of being a part of this sinister plot to murder 3,000+ people with that other Silverstein controlled demolitions bit. Now, you'reaccusing the NYPD and Con-Edison of being a part of this sinister plot to murder 3,000+ people, too.

How secret can this, "secret plot" possibly be if there are all these thousands of people from the NYFD to the NYPD to the NYPA to the FAA to NORAD to Con-Edison to the Red Cross to the 9/11 commission to the etc etc etc who are in on it?

Please inform me of where this has been posted even once so that I may report the post. The thread is about the possible controlled demolition of building 7 and the phone conversations that the building leaser had with various entities on 911. No one was killed in the collapse of building 7, therefore no one in this thread is talking of plots of sinister murder. No-one except you.

You can try to demonize ME for looking for the TRUTH, but it wont work.

The fact remains that, according to this article, Larry Silverstein was trying to get permission to demolish WTC7 on 9/11.

Good luck trying to explain that. I'm guessing more "incompetence."

Originally posted by bsbray11
The fact remains that, according to this article, Larry Silverstein was trying to get permission to demolish WTC7 on 9/11.

Good luck trying to explain that. I'm guessing more "incompetence."

Let's see...I own a building that is so heavily damaged that the FDNY will not allow its men and women to fight the fires raging in it...of course I am going to start calling my insurance agent to see what my options are.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
Let's see...I own a building that is so heavily damaged that the FDNY will not allow its men and women to fight the fires raging in it...of course I am going to start calling my insurance agent to see what my options are.

Well apparently you missed the same line of reasoning that the Fox writer did, and Silverstein himself originally. You must not know much about commercial demolition if you think someone's going to rig a damaged and burning building in short order. Yet the article itself says that many people there that day were expecting just that to happen, somehow, and it wasn't just something Larry was thinking about to himself.

I don't know about you but I'm left with more questions than answers on this one. From insurance companies not being able to make a decision over the phone in the first place, to the building WTC7 free-falling into itself after NYPD witnessed explosions coming out of the bottom and everything else "odd" or "coincidental" about that building that remains unaddressed.

Originally posted by bsbray11
You must not know much about commercial demolition if you think someone's going to rig a damaged and burning building in short order.

Hang on. Remisne has proved that "demo teams" went into the building and blew it up. I can't quite follow his logic, but it's something to do with telephone calls and youtube videos.

I got about half way through the OP's linked story and started laughing. I really urge people on both sides of the debate to re-read the story carefully, imagine themselves as attornies at law and then decide if they would put the author of the story on the witness stand to corroburate anything.

I especially laughed at the "silent" collapse of the building. Even if you believe that the building simply collapsed, which I do not, how can anyone not question this bonehead's word that it collapsed silently? What a joke. Oh well, that's Fox for ya.

It sickens me that so much of America is swimming in an intellectual sewer of hyperbole, half truths and outright lies, when it comes to a lot of their news media content. Unfortunately a lot of relatively defenceless people overseas suffer and die at American hands because of the way American opinion is molded by its unscrupulous media.

[edit on 10-5-2010 by ipsedixit]