Female posters incapable of original thought?

reply to post by ingoramous


Interesting resopnse ingoramous,

You are in Wisconsin...that explains much. Just a northern version of Kalifornia. No thinking required. This is becoming common place in Amerika today. A media/television/movie education majoring in emotions. No thinking going on among most.

Wisconsin. ..the Kalifornia of the north.

For the time being .I am glad to hear that you folks have the governnor you do. This country needs more like that all across the various states....especially in Kalifornia...New York too. And Finally in Washington DC.


Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by ingoramous
Where I come from, women really don't have much for original thought that I see. Most are followers and conformists, certainly not engaging themselves in deeper conceptualization. I hear mostly mindless jibber-jabber about nothing. When they do conjure up a decent thought, it takes them 15,000 years to get to it... the men could have communicated it in a half of a statement.

Half a statement? I'm not surprised.. it would be very difficult for women to have engaging conversations with men who can only say "Ug".

It is not just a matter of posting..it is also a matter of what one does with what one knows to say or describe. People are very good at talk, styling and profiling as I sometimes call it.

It is what one does when the going gets rough ...what one knows to do. This can make a tremendous difference in ones standard of living...talking will not get it here...nor will just posting.

We just got through this hurricane here in Virginia. Hurricane Irene. Now this was not a bad hurricane as these things go. We made out quite well in this area though we are close to the Chesapeake Bay here in Virginia.

Today, after the winds died down, I collected my saws and other support equipment and got over to my parents rental house and proceeded to cut up a neighbors tree where it had fallen over the fence and into the yard.

The women there were very supportive and even fixed us a quick breakfast before we got back to work. While we engaged in the heavy labors of cutting up this large branch which fell over...they kept the ice water coming for me and the male renter of the house. The women were very good about this.

They were up and about getting the kids fed...organized as well as out of the way.

What really disturbed me was that there was an adult male there who was in the bed while the women were up and about taking care of the kids and us. He never offered to as much as hold a ladder for us..but noticeably hung back. He was healthy enough to eat breakfast and smoke cigarettes.

I call this spoiled and tit fed.

Don't misunderstand me here..I like my slack time too..but when there is work and RISK to be taken...measure it carefully and step up to the plate and be counted.. Don't just hang back and think no one will notice.

To me these women had bigger ones hanging than did this male.

I got the tree limb cut up and went across the street and also cut up my Dad's apple tree which had fallen over.

It was a long day yesterday. My shoulders are hurting from handling that saw for hours.

When there is work to be done and RISKs to be taken ..I don't like slackers...male or female. I also have little use for talkers.....with no real life skills. It is just the way I am.

My nightmare is to be stuck on a desert Island with four hundred slackers..male and female both. Perish the thougth!!!

Thanks,
Orangetom

Is this topic still going on?

This topic is all over the place. I can't get a handle on it. It is as if no matter what the consensus is essentially, women aren't smart, if they are they are misdirected, biology means they should pay attention to cleaning and raising babies smartly, feminism is horrible.

Frankly, most people aren't good critical thinkers. Male or female.

I suspect that some of what is missed here is that many women will direct a large section of their lives towards those "traditional" chores. I have, raising a family is an important issue for me. One that I believe is denigrated by assuming that people good at it can't be good at anything else. You cannot imagine how much this absurdity offends me.

Quite a few women pass through this phase and go onto another phase, where they develop new skills and interests. Or reconnect with old ones. The problem is that this age group is *NOT* seen as a culturally normal age group for pursuit of more schooling, and new thoughtful careers. This is not an age group a hopping IT firm is going to pick up as a newbie. This is unfortunate, as I believe that many women who have been good family caretakers are brillant and their next life task is hidden from them by the expectation that they are too old for it.

reply to post by Aeons


i recall wanting to sing, very badly, by the time i was in my 30s. i was told i was too old. and not by some agent either. my own friends and family said this. in my 40s i went to school to be a doctor. was well on my way. was on the dean's list and president's list, had offers to join various organizations for geniuses, offers from other colleges to attend their schools instead, and etc, but between being told i was too old and having my elderly mother with alzheimers to care for, i just couldn't finish. it dawned on me that by the time i was done, we'd be in so much debt from the cost of medical school, that my age would literally ruin any chance of making money at it, as it would take forever to pay it all back. and mom would cry everytime i left the house to go to classes. so, i made what i felt was the right choice and then kicked myself for not insisting on pursuing a career in singing back in my 30s lol

I haven't been able to read all these pages, and apologize. But the topic has recently come up for me in other conversation elsewhere, so is on my mind and I wish to digest it verbally.

Just yesterday someone on a board made a comment about me always "using my intelligence to bash others over the head". It is not the first time. It comes out when I have disagreed with someone, and a debate is born.

I am female, and I am not very competative, have no desire to bash anyone, and try to be respectful of others right to their opinions.....I am also not incredibly intelligent, nor do I have an extensive educational background.
So I suspect that if they thought it was a man posting, this accusation would not even be made- it would be considered "normal" that a man debate a topic (and do it well).

Trying to provoke emotion in ones opponent in a debate is often used to scramble their rational and logical capabilities (I personally consider this "cheating" and do not try to do it) and whatever might push the buttons of the other is used in that intent.

Peopl elearn that insulting women in this way often gets them upset, distracts them (so they vear off into defense of females in general, off the topic), or sometimes just has the effect of pushing them into submission.

They use it because it often works. That's all. Amongst men, they will insult each other a lot, will insult the class the other comes from, their type of career, other groupings and subcultures they come from as being stupid, etc. But it seems men take that in stride and KNOW the other is just trying to push buttons and they won't even think about it later. They don't hold the same moral codes as many women do (like my personal rule of not doing that emotion provoking in a debate).

Women more often deal with taking care of small children, and often develop more moral or ethical codes of behavior as a result- we cannot as often afford to be totally egotistical. We are trying to give our children limits but leave room for their personality to grow as well, and we sometimes gain the habit of backing off and letting someones ego expand a bit.....sometimes even for other adults.

We sometimes do that for our spouse, for example, with whom their self confidence and assertiveness outside the home is beneficial for us as well as them, so we let them think they are strong and wise at times when in reality they are sorta so-so. This does boost our man and get him in action once he's out the door. But we can find ourselves automatically doing that for people who are not our children, or our partner, out of habit. And some men figure this out and try to take advantage of it.

Some are just not very bright and never figure out their mom, their wife, their girlfriend, was just pretending to be less in order to get them confident in face of the exterior (threats to family, competition for jobs, etc.); They actually BELIEVED it. (perhaps the women in their lives over did it?)



There is also the perception I have that often men and women are coming from different directions of thought, with different concerns, and this is a source of misunderstanding between them. That results in as much women putting down men as it does men putting down women.

reply to post by Jenna


Explanation: Uhmmm?

If anybody would like to find some possible answers to these questions ...

What I’d like to understand is why this view is held at all. How did it come about? Why, in this day and age, is it still held at all?

... They might find some in here: [Warning: Women are Unwelcomed in Here!] My Massive Mysogyny!!! (by OmegaLogos posted on 30-3-2010 @ 12:40 AM) [ATS: Rant forum]

Personal Disclosure: Transparancy is my shield ... I'm a monsterous scumbag! I am learning to overcome it as best I can! Seeking forgiveness requires the wearing of ones own sins! You may fire at will!

Anyone can be anyone on the net - one can choose not to reveal ones gender, age etc so no one can make assumptions based on pre-conceptions. Though personally I find the biggest give-away is age - whether it is revealed or not. Does your mother know you are up - all you 14 yr olds?

reply to post by Jenna


sorry, didn't read all million pages, but you must not be married.



like all these morons here if the SO found out what they wrote they better make up the couch, only thing good about that is ya got the wide screen and the dog, maybe.


lololol!!

reply to post by muzzleflash


Bravo. You are a lucky guy. Your wife sounds really awesome.

I will die for a women ..dont worry ..rare male posters are just arrogant

I think that -mostly- people cannot tell I am a woman. I have been called dude and sir, numerous times. Which is fine with me. I see no need to let everyone -know- for certain, what your gender is here.

Threads about female posters always get alot of response. It is usually in these threads that the men around here get to see just how many women they are interacting with on these boards.

I get called he, or him all the time -as do other women on here, whom I know to be female.

There are plenty of intelligent women around here and using my female intuition and percepction, I often wonder if the site statistics are incorrect (which they must be, the information is collected in such a way that it may be quite innacurate) and that there are more females on this site than men! If not that, then more females who have held an account and kept it up for longer periods (no banning, no name calling and duplicate accounts etc)

I see a mix of everything around here, and there are alot of people from both sexes who have gained my respect.

Diversity=strength!

That said, we women are pretty tough skinned when it comes to "typical" males. We have heard it all. We know, that you know, that women are stronger, smarter, more intuitve, more persuasive and more compassionate than you. That is all.

Originally posted by simone50m
I think that -mostly- people cannot tell I am a woman. I have been called dude and sir, numerous times. Which is fine with me. I see no need to let everyone -know- for certain, what your gender is here.

Edit To Add!!! "..cannot tell I am a.." On This Forum, (NOT in person!!!) (He he..) (Best to be safe not sorry..)

reply to post by simone50m


Hahahaha....I did the same thing. We women can be so darn unintelligent sometimes!

reply to post by mutantgenius

Well, I don't think it's "unintelligent", it's just that we fems are naturally very intuitive, and often might mistakenly assume others who are not so much, -know- what we mean exactly.
'Seinfeld' made fun of something -like- that, where Elaine was in trouble and may go to the pokey, and told her jock boyfriend, "Don't wait forever for me though," and he answered, "Okay". But he was (to -our- expectation) supposed.....to respond, "But oh no, I will pine away forever for you, and write you every day.."

Mars and Venus.
(Sighs of exhasperation,..)

reply to post by Jenna

Women are incapable of understanding an issue so complex as the one being discussed; They should stick to neutral topics where they will be better capable of contributing; Men in a group will each speak their own mind, women in a group will just develop mind-think and agree with the majority because they have no individual opinions; Women cannot have an independent/rational/correct thought without first having it explained to them by a man; Claims of sexism are unfounded because women irrationally believe that everything is a conspiracy against them.

I completely disagree with you on this. I have made many women friends in this forum, and I find them to be very knowledgeable on the conspiracy topics we discuss in here, and some have even brought me secret information that they have discovered. I don't think you are reading the women right. In fact, women are smarter than men are, and they react sooner also. My wife would put some of you men to shame with things she know about.

To me alot of women's intuition is because by nature ...they look for someone else to take certain RISKS in life for them. To take the harshness out of life for them and their children. This knowledge has morphed into searching for the best person to accomplish this lowering of RISKS for them and also for children. This takes alot of foresight...ie..intuition. It takes the ability to see clearly things that the ordinary male would not even have a clue is in process or happening. It also takes a type of knowledge and subtlety.

I am also aware that alot of this female intuition has gone awry today ..in substituting real life skills in searching for a good RISK Taker...to searching for a nice male Handbag to accentuate a expected or believed Lifestyle..ie...religion. The women are beginning to suffer the same stupid as are the males today...purchasing the wrapper rather than a real worthy valuable product.


Alot of women have radar if you like..on which works on a frequency not easily detected by most ..and particularly by males. The males can often be so dumb they dont even detect when the radar goes awry.

Gettting others..socially to take RISKS for them is also the making and creating of a class of people who are morer expendable and disposable than others...socially and in actuality. This is not equality..it is politics...social and sexual politics.

It is also how many of our elected politicians of today work...for they are very feminine when one knows for what to look. For one must learn and teach ones self to see on the Occult levels.

Not all out here is on the visible level and never intends to become on the visible levels.

Once you learn to throw in the RISK factor ...all the intelligence and intuition change their form..and become visible.

The willingness to take RISKS is what separates males from females...not necessarily intelligence.

I know males who are very intelligent and intuitive...but I would not trust them to feed my cat. They are not risk takers and tend to hang back when the real hard and RISKY work takes place.

And to many males today are raised by their mothers, by television/movies, and peer group. Like many females they talk but hang back when the RISK is to be taken. High maintenance.

I just saw one like this during the clean up around here after this Hurricane Irene. He slept late while his woman took care of everything ...including taking care of us ...bringing us water..while we were cutting up a tree which had fallen in the yard of my Dad's rental house.
This guy hung back and was breast fed. The rest of us pitched in. The women kept the cold water coming and watched the children and particularly such that they did not get in the way and become injured. This guy did nothing...what a wuss. This male was to me high maintenance. Made me wonder about his woman!!?? How she thought..what she valued...what kind of RISK would she take?? What she knew and did not know??

Intelligence and intuition is fine..but it is the pattern of how one uses/misuses it which shows character and value. Much of this is hidden from most peoples..particularly from males. That is ..unless a male teaches himself to see it for what it is or is not.

To me many of today's males are one of the dumbest creatures to ever squat between shoes to take care of business. And more and more of them today are become High Maintenance/feminine. Just as are many females.

I do not believe most of todays women are interested in filling in the gap..in RISK taking...even for other females and children. For to be injured and or severely maimed through RISK taking is to socially and physically lose ones purchasing power in the social marketplace...ie..competitiveness...social value.
Most men I have ever met are totally oblivious to this concept.

Some thoughts on what I see in this thread..what is said and not said.

Thanks,
Orangetom

I'm still unsure who are the male and who are the female posters on ATS to be honest. I still get surprised when someone gives away their gender in a comment when all along I thought they were the opposite. It makes it very hard to flirt

Originally posted by wigit
I'm still unsure who are the male and who are the female posters on ATS to be honest. I still get surprised when someone gives away their gender in a comment when all along I thought they were the opposite. It makes it very hard to flirt

LOL LOL LOL!!!

Thanks...Wigit..for making my points in the above post. Albeit intentionally or unintentionally..but your timing was perfect.

We sometimes call this ...working ones way through the food chain.

Thanks,
Orangetom