The living verses the living dead!

I have seen much debate regarding truth verses error. I have seen the frustration of the believer in truth attempting to explain their position and the frustration of the un-believers.
There is a tremendous truth that I believe many Christians fail to explain to the world that I hope to make crystal clear so that the un-believer may understand why the Christian must, even many times in an obnoxious manner, tell the world the importance of having faith in Christ.
What the Christian may fail in making absolutely clear is that the living are dead while they live! To understand this, one would need to look at the first Adam and the second Adam to see what was undone by the first and the repair by the second.

"And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2-7)

I'm not going to bore any with Hebrew root words but "living soul" is breath life the same breath life that all breathing animals breath.

Adam was a 2 part being (body and soul)

"So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:27)

In John 4:24 it declares: "God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Adam was then a man of (body, soul, and spirit) He was a 3 part being. He was formed, made and created/body, soul, spirit.

"[Even] every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him." (Isaiah 43:7)

"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:16,17)

We all know the story of how the first Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The spirit life that God had created in Adam died. Since he had a body and breath life, he could still see, hear, smell, taste and touch. But, he could not worship God in spirit and in truth. He no longer had eternal life. All of the physical days of Adams life was 930 years and he died.

Adam had become a 2 part being of body and soul and every person born in this world are 2 part beings of body and soul. We all have a body and we all have breath life at the time of our physical birth.

That is why Jesus told Nicodemus who was a religous leader of the Jews "You must be born again"

"There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:" (John 3:1)

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

Since I am running out of room here in this thread, I must explain that Jesus was referring to being born again of the spirit of God made available through the death, burial and ressurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. That which was lost in the Garden of Eden, the second Adam regained.

"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit." (I Corinthians 15:45)

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." (I Corinthians 15:22)

To make a long story short Christ is the savior of the world. He is the Way, The Truth, and The Life. Everyone born in the world is a 2 part being of body and soul. Jesus the Messiah made it available for whosoever to become 3 part beings of body, soul, and spirit because those who worship God MUST worship Him in spirit and truth.

To do so one would of neccesity have to do (Romans 10:9,10)

I will not quote the verse. If you are hungry for truth then read and be a doer of Romans 10:9,10

Since the Word of God declares "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Reading this is not hearing, it is reading. One would need to read aloud so that your ears hear!

Your interpretation does make sense.

Thank you.

Thank You for the thumbs up!

I hate to say this, but the bible makes god sound like someone who suffers from dissociative identity disorder (split personalities) christianity claims to be a monotheist religion yet they worship the father, the son and the holy spirit. They claim they are three seperate entities but the same being??? I know, it confuses me too. And then wassup with the old testament and the new testament? The god of the old testament was a an extremely violent deity! The god of the new testament seems to have found his zoloft or thorazine and is suddenly a god of love and forgiveness. Please don't take this wrong, I'm not bashing christianity. I feel the bible does offer some good lessons on how to live your life, and so do many other religions.

reply to post by Cor Leonis


I really liked your interpretation of this and read your thread a couple of times to completely digest the information. Good stuff. I never thought about it in that way before.

I don't believe in the trinity. I believe God is Holy and God is Spirit, God there fore is The Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The gift of the holy spirit is not a person it is what the book of Acts describes as being "power from on high." I do not understand all things. But I know that God has always loved His creation and when His creation does not follow the Will of God then His creation suffers, not because suffering is God's Will but God is a Just God and must allow the suffering to take its course. God cannot undo what Adam brought about other than offer righteousness through His righteous Son.

reply to post by Cor Leonis


thanks corn-a lot of people here start threads when they dont know a thing about the bible, your thread was-is a breath of fresh air to us who study the truth
hope the living dead are easy on you for you deserve better.
I agree with what u said to be right on the money
I will add that in the old testement, all are slaves of god almighty, Jehovah, however now in this administration-[7] we are now called CHILDREN OF GOD ALMIGHTY. dont know if this changes things pertaing to your post, but we know god has plans for certain times and people.
Again thanks- truth or tradition ,com you will learn of the sacred secret i just mentioned--go read and lol ya bro

Simply read any bible,seperate the references to what we now recognise obviously as technolgy,the tech is our history,the rest is humanitarian interpretation from many seperate and different perspectives,changed many times.

You SHOULD BE BLOWN AWAY BY THE TECHNOLOGICAL STORY THE BIBLE TELLS US.

Thanks itsawild1 . I have visited Truthor tradition. I also read lots of stuff at Spirit and Truth Fellowship.

It does not matter to me if the un-believer slams me. I know in whom I have believed in.

Why should it bother me if the living dead, the living dead have nothing to offer other than claws and fangs!

reply to post by Cor Leonis


1. Adam means mankind and is not one individual, but rather all of mankind including you. Everyone gets to make Adams choice and "bear their own load". The name literally means, ruddy (mankind).

Side Note: Names are very very very important because they do not represent people as "God honors no man", but rather they represent Actions.
ex. Moses=Drawn out, YHWH = Self existent, Aaron=Exalted/Light Bearer...etc. and JESUS the most important means "Self existent salvation"...which you are saved in....SELF's fruit....only begotten.

This is why "IN" the name is said so often. The names actually represent actions as "action" is what is pleasing to God, because action is Truth.

2.Being called by the name of God. God is "Self existent". To be called by his name is to be "Self existent"....bear your own load. YHWH has also been translated "the cause to become".

3. Spirit is breath. Soul is vitality and body is flesh.

4. "The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all"
There is no living dead just as there is no Sunmoon. Their are people living whose sin can cause them death, as the wages of sin is death. Sin is Death, but not dieing in your body, but rather demolishing the house of your name. You are the house of your name and do house all of those whom you recall. When you, being the last male member of a house/Name fore go your procreative power to create a new flesh from two, you have abominated your line and left it desolate by declaring yourself most high (high as in descendants not the sky--you must first descend in order to ascend the thrown of god). You are essentially Nefilim.

5. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the one that tells you this...

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said to the woman, Dying you shall not die,
Gen 3:5 for God knows that in the day you eat of it, even your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as God, knowing good and evil.

In other words it is the one telling you that you will not die, but remain eternal. The brazen serpent is on the cross and he is telling you "go ahead and believe in me you won't die".

6. No where does it say Adam was eternal. It says,

Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,'

TO THE AGE.......NOT Eternal.

The tree of life is one you well know....The family tree. To take from it is to give to it.

Those seeking to save their lives will lose them.....even if it is by Jesus you wish to save it, because their are two sides to Jesus who is the double edged sword. One side is his right and at that side sit the children whom you are "not to forbid" for "to such as these belong the kingdom"...forever making all things new. The other side is his left and that is exactly what happens....your incorporeal spirit is left to watch life and not be able to be in it.

Mat 16:4 `A generation evil and adulterous doth seek a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it, except the sign of Jonah the prophet;' and having left them he went away.

That sign has been given with the uncovering of the 22,000 cuneiform tablets found in Nineveh. It is given to this Generation...

7. Jesus spoke with Nicodemus of earthly things, that is "procreation" and Nicodemus did not get it, just as he is not getting it now, but rather thought that as an elder he was to reenter into the womb, but Jesus was saying. Unless you bring forth children, you will not witness the kingdom of heaven, because, that is whom the kingdom belongs too....your children whom you "witness". God never changes. He made it male and female 23 +23 = New creation.

Peace

P.S. sorry to be so "matter of fact" don't mean that as a "know it all" thing, because I don't know it all, only the truth which can be proven to anyone willing to see it...

[edit on 6-5-2010 by letthereaderunderstand]

reply to post by Cor Leonis


Another thing....Holy spirit.

The Holy spirit is the Hallowed spirit because it resides in the womb, hallowed into man, thus it passes over death into new life....for the life is in the blood...your blood, her blood, his blood, blood period...DNA....Jacobs ladder.

Peace

Not quite sure where you are going with all this. If the Holy Spirit was passed in the womb for all men then it would not be neccessary for the death, burial, and ressurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Stick to the Word of God and you won't loose people.

It seems to me more people are concerned with the Market/Wall Street than they are with eternal matters. Not surprised! Come quickly Lord!

I suppose your first and foremost error would be in quoting the bible when you might as well be quoting a Sarah Palin coloring book.

You quote it as if it is gods word, .... who tells you it is gods word ?? MAN !!, .... who wrote it ??? MAN !!.

yet you follow it and pick apart these translations as if they have any merit outside of a church.

Christianity is a dead religion, and untill you are truly born again can you begin to understand what the bible contains.

and what it does not, your plucking a very small period of spiritual understanding and proclaiming this to be the ultimate truth, halting your very evolution and growth.

god exists in a realm a book could never go, and if I told you, you would call blasphemy. As time changes so do things and the definitions they go by, ..... Christians have become the masses that Jesus was trying to get across to, lost in time and trapped in ignorance.

the irony is, that your very faith is also your spiritual death, .... and you my friend, are the walking dead.

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
It seems to me more people are concerned with the Market/Wall Street than they are with eternal matters. Not surprised! Come quickly Lord!

It goes to show you that more people are concerned about themselves. What other meaningless topic will they focus on next? First it was natural disasters, then the stock market crash. One can only imagine what will happen next.

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst



I suppose your first and foremost error would be in quoting the bible when you might as well be quoting a Sarah Palin coloring book.

You quote it as if it is gods word, .... who tells you it is gods word ?? MAN !!, .... who wrote it ??? MAN !!.

yet you follow it and pick apart these translations as if they have any merit outside of a church.

Christianity is a dead religion, and untill you are truly born again can you begin to understand what the bible contains.

and what it does not, your plucking a very small period of spiritual understanding and proclaiming this to be the ultimate truth, halting your very evolution and growth.

god exists in a realm a book could never go, and if I told you, you would call blasphemy. As time changes so do things and the definitions they go by, ..... Christians have become the masses that Jesus was trying to get across to, lost in time and trapped in ignorance.

the irony is, that your very faith is also your spiritual death, .... and you my friend, are the walking dead.

Thanks for the rage post, I needed a good laugh. People died back in the day for their faith during the time of Jesus, and shortly after his death. Pretty hard to make up and what sane person would die for a lie they witnessed in the first place? Then the Roman's went out of their way to exterminate them to get rid of this name you think is just a made up fairy tale. Maybe you should get your facts in line before you go off the deep end next time.

They were trying to kill religion, and they succeeded in doing so which is what brought on the Dark Ages. They wanted to humanize Jesus just to get people to stop believing in him so they'd worship their own gods and die a spiritual death. As you can see it's still going on today, people rejecting God and making Jesus a myth or just some other guy. Thank you for doing your part in fulfilling prophecy! Bravo!


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God, because He loves us, has made His Will known to those who are hungry for truth, by giving us the Holy Bible. He sent His Word by way of three revelation manifestations of the spirit.

It takes the holy spirit to discern this. I have to laugh because many think they are smarter than God, when God through His Son made salvation so easy a child can understand. The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God.

It is a sad thing when the finish line is in site and many will stay on the road that leads to destruction because of pride and all that wisdom they they themselves possess.

Yes, the reason there are so many writing styles in the Bible is because God did not use robots to pen the Word of God. He had different men write it with all of them receiving one or more of the three revelation manifestation of the holy spirit.

Thats all of the pearls I will cast out at this time in case swine want too trample the Word of God!

The only reason I started this thread was because I care for the salvation of mankind.

As I said, the finish line is in site. For those who believe the Word of God, keep looking up for your redemption draws near!!!

reply to post by novastrike81


facts straight ? did I ever say Jesus didn't exist ??

or christianity is fake ?? No, but the modern interpetation of it is.

You can all wait your whole lives for Jesus to come back, but you probably would not recognize him, and he would not recognize many things you do in your churches. In fact I think he would be pretty P'd off you do so many things in his name, when you never met him, or have any clue as to what he was teaching.

I don't expect you to know what I'm talking about, how can you know the sky is blue if you've never seen it ??

walking around with your head in a box claiming to know the way. The way cannot be read or written, yet it is absolute.

toss away your vague notions and dead arts, the road to awe is within.

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


Great reply post!

Unfortunately, people like novastrike81, and the like, will never have a true awakening. They don't have the ability to separate ego from true self(freed spiritual energy). Or they unconsciously realize that their egos needs to exist in this false reality in order to "make sense" of their "existence" here on this planet.

Every clue is given to these people just through a simplified understanding of what their "messiah", Jesus, believed. Yet they battle other """believers""" and other Jesus/the bibles passages true meanings for centuries after centuries.

They say Jesus died for their sins. This means they don't have to go through their messiah's suffering on the cross. Jesus was crucified for following the truth/god, yet these so called believers turn their backs on truth whenever it is convenient for them. Which is the case 99.9999999% of the time.

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
reply to post by novastrike81

 

facts straight ? did I ever say Jesus didn't exist ??

or christianity is fake ?? No, but the modern interpetation of it is.

You can all wait your whole lives for Jesus to come back, but you probably would not recognize him, and he would not recognize many things you do in your churches. In fact I think he would be pretty P'd off you do so many things in his name, when you never met him, or have any clue as to what he was teaching.

I don't expect you to know what I'm talking about, how can you know the sky is blue if you've never seen it ??

walking around with your head in a box claiming to know the way. The way cannot be read or written, yet it is absolute.

toss away your vague notions and dead arts, the road to awe is within.

No, but I would have to agree that the modern interpretation of Christianity is pretty f-ed up. Although I'm pleased that the actions taken against said Christians isn't the same as they were back in the day. I would like to know how you think Christianity is a dead religion when it has 2.1 billion followers?

I'm pretty sure I'd recognize someone coming out of the sky that looks different from something on Earth. I also think it's pretty ignorant of you to assume that we don't know what he taught when he says so in the Bible. Then again you never read it by what the words you speak so you really shouldn't be giving any opinion on the Bible or Jesus. I also find it amusing that you know what he is thinking since you've never met him yourself. Kind of contradicting don't you think? I doubt you thought out this rage post as you did the last one.