The living verses the living dead!

Interesting interpretation!! Never really thought that way before. Keep on opening that mind.

Originally posted by truthtothemasses
Unfortunately, people like novastrike81, and the like, will never have a true awakening. They don't have the ability to separate ego from true self(freed spiritual energy). Or they unconsciously realize that their egos needs to exist in this false reality in order to "make sense" of their "existence" here on this planet.

What is the true awakening then since you seem to have it all figured out? I'm pretty sure I live in reality because I'm surrounded by it every day. You'll need to think a little harder and come up with a better opinion to convince me I'm living in a false reality; or maybe you're the one who needs to wake up?

Every clue is given to these people just through a simplified understanding of what their "messiah", Jesus, believed. Yet they battle other """believers""" and other Jesus/the bibles passages true meanings for centuries after centuries.

I don't battle other believers where is this evidence at? You clearly are just spouting random thoughts from your false reality. Why would I fight with someone who believes the same thing I do?

They say Jesus died for their sins. This means they don't have to go through their messiah's suffering on the cross. Jesus was crucified for following the truth/god, yet these so called believers turn their backs on truth whenever it is convenient for them. Which is the case 99.9999999% of the time.

What evidence do you have to support that all believers turn their back 99.99999999% of the time? Again, your opinion with nothing to show for it. You don't know me at all so please don't act like you do. We're all sinners, I know you aren't perfect just by reading this post, but I don't willingly do things I know are wrong for personal gain.

Try harder next time if you are going to prove a point with no facts.

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I hate to say this

You should hate to say that. Because you are wrong with that conclusion.
Do you believe the Bible was written to give everyone that idea. The answer is no. So you have a misunderstanding of how ever much you know.

stella

Christianity is a dead religion

I don't know where you get your ideas, but Christianity and the word of God, are INDESTRUCTABLE.
Excellent thread OP I have been familiar with this interpretation, and believe it to be state of the art. Good job. SnF

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Yes, I thank The Almighty for His Son, Jesus Christ for going to the cross and dieing for me. My sins were nailed to the cross. The second Adam saved me from the Wrath to come. Whosoever can be saved from the Wrath to come.

I don't need new age theology to walk enlightened. The spirit of God Almighty through the Son will guide the hungry into all truth.

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." (John 16:13)

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." (John 16:13)

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I pray that more and more people will understand through your thread.

They say Jesus died for their sins. This means they don't have to go through their messiah's suffering on the cross. Jesus was crucified for following the truth/god, yet these so called believers turn their backs on truth whenever it is convenient for them. Which is the case 99.9999999% of the time.

I say this not boastfully but as humble information. I have believed in Christ my whole life. I love him for what he did for me. I would die before I turned my back on him. He is the whole worlds hero like it or not.

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Originally posted by novastrike81
What is the true awakening then since you seem to have it all figured out? I'm pretty sure I live in reality because I'm surrounded by it every day. You'll need to think a little harder and come up with a better opinion to convince me I'm living in a false reality; or maybe you're the one who needs to wake up?

Yes, I had it all figured out that "christianity" was a complete and utter fraud about 10 years ago. And yes, you do live in a false reality. Anybody that believes and accepts verifiable lies, lives in a false reality.

I don't battle other believers where is this evidence at? You clearly are just spouting random thoughts from your false reality. Why would I fight with someone who believes the same thing I do?

This is the problem, you people DON'T believe in the same thing. Reason; you're core belief resides in books(really one book) yet experiencing ACTUAL life takes a much, much, much more distant second.

What evidence do you have to support that all believers turn their back 99.99999999% of the time? Again, your opinion with nothing to show for it. You don't know me at all so please don't act like you do. We're all sinners, I know you aren't perfect just by reading this post, but I don't willingly do things I know are wrong for personal gain.

Yeah, you just do things for your own personal gain regardless of your "willingness". Your "willingness" to follow a lie is something Jesus wouldn't do yet because you "believe" we are all sinners and Jesus died for all of our sins, you no longing have to follow Jesus, can sin, and live a life without following truth?

Try harder next time if you are going to prove a point with no facts.

Facts are something you folks absolutely hate, so why would I bother with those things. You love fairy tales and your ego tells you to embrace those. Truth/God tells you that your ego is a lie based on lies and needs you to separate from that.

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Facts are something you folks absolutely hate, so why would I bother with those things. You love fairy tales and your ego tells you to embrace those. Truth/God tells you that your ego is a lie based on lies and needs you to separate from that.

I don't understand your hostility for our understanding of what Christ did.
What he did he did because he believed in it. The Bible tells the truth of what he did. Plain and simple . If it were lies it would not be INDESTRUTABLE.

Someday you will know yourself to be the liar. I hope before it's to late.

Facts are something you folks absolutely hate, so why would I bother with those things. You love fairy tales and your ego tells you to embrace those. Truth/God tells you that your ego is a lie based on lies and needs you to separate from th

You mean like the fact.

That a man called Jesus died on the cross.

The fact that even a roman governor found no fault in him.

The fact he was the son of God.

The fact that even as just a man he is the only one in history to do what he has done.

The fact that he is risen.

The fact that he is the truth, the life and the way.

Dear God bless these facts. I know I don't hate them.

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Originally posted by truthtothemasses
Yes, I had it all figured out that "christianity" was a complete and utter fraud about 10 years ago. And yes, you do live in a false reality. Anybody that believes and accepts verifiable lies, lives in a false reality.

Then welcome to the false reality! You may not believe in Christianity but if you honestly think everything else in your "reality" is honest, then you are a hypocrite and no better than the claims you make. What a joke.

This is the problem, you people DON'T believe in the same thing. Reason; you're core belief resides in books(really one book) yet experiencing ACTUAL life takes a much, much, much more distant second.

Lol, great one! I actually laughed at that. What do I believe in then? I'm living life right now. I have a career, I'm going to school, I'm married with a family. I'm sure that is ACTUAL life or is that a lie because my book says to do those things. I'm glad you stereotype to prove a point. We "people" is that the best you can do is label us like we are beneath you?

Yeah, you just do things for your own personal gain regardless of your "willingness". Your "willingness" to follow a lie is something Jesus wouldn't do yet because you "believe" we are all sinners and Jesus died for all of our sins, you no longing have to follow Jesus, can sin, and live a life without following truth?

So uh, let me get this straight. Since Jesus didn't follow a lie and lived a perfect life and yet I try to emulate that I'm follow a lie? Again, nice contradiction and claim to know who I am personally. Stop stereotyping, it really makes you look desperate.

Facts are something you folks absolutely hate, so why would I bother with those things. You love fairy tales and your ego tells you to embrace those. Truth/God tells you that your ego is a lie based on lies and needs you to separate from that.

I enjoy facts, facts are amazing! What you're saying is you don't have any facts but you'll talk a big game to make me think you have some, but you really don't. So show me your facts, I'd love to see them!

"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (I Corinthians 2:7,8)

The enemy of God did not see the plan of God. The hiearchy of evil did not understand the plan, that by the death, burial and ressurrection of the second Adam, that it would result in God having many sons by the gift of the spirit of life. If the enemy had known the plan, "they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

Soon this age of "grace" (undeserved favor) wherein mankind can do just about anything he wants to and think he is getting by with it, will end.

The "grace" period will be over!!!

The birth pangs of a new age are growing more intense and more frequent. Soon the world will be rid of the Christian who has bothered them. Many do not realize that:

"For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." (Romans 14:11)

I hope many more do this now instead of later!

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Won't waste more time with you.

Learned a long time ago that arguing with you guys is pointless. Convo with you is like talking into a black hole. More and more words go in and NOTHING ever comes out.

I can't waste my time on this.

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The "grace" period will be over!!!

Yes to be sure the time of the gentiles is already done.
The window is closing.

truth

I can't waste my time on this.

Ok ,good luck in prison.
Sorry OP. I was just trying to draw him back in.

Like my friend Conclusion said one time. I guess now I will debate you OP.


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All I can do is feed and water. It is God who gives the increase! If the world does not want to hear the good news, I will not shove it down their throat.

I know meat will choak some. That is why I tried to serve milk.

One thing is for sure, there will be no excuse for ignorance because milk has been served and some refuse to swallow.

Only a few seeds fall on good/fertile ground.

Originally posted by truthtothemasses
reply to post by novastrike81

 

Won't waste more time with you.

Learned a long time ago that arguing with you guys is pointless. Convo with you is like talking into a black hole. More and more words go in and NOTHING ever comes out.

I can't waste my time on this.

You could have given up a little more graciously then that. I wasn't even arguing, I was just showing you your false reality. Anyway, once you figure out that we aren't beneath you then may be you will have a decent conversation with "us" people. Cheers!

Are you guys serious, like at least do your research... RAGE post... ohhh the conviction I always thought it was up to God to judge? Btw I read the bible... nowhere does it say "and thou shalt sometimes arrogantly spread my word so that the IGNORANT may hear" i'm quite sure he preached peace and love... Christianity is full of conviction unrighteous conviction. You damn things that cause no harm to others and often time change them for the better or bring them happyness where God and the bible preaches tolerance and understanding and to love your neighbour. To say other religions are wrong and the beliefs that stray from modern christian beliefs will get you tossed out Heaven is rediculous. You not as God but as a creation of God are giving yourselves the job of being his voice... when in the book he has come countless of times to tell people in secret what they need to do to help the world he is perfectly capable of inforcing his law and his word... one of the ten commandments is "do not covet thy neighbour" he means you don't have to live up to anyones expectations but your own, don't look at his things and worry positively(I wish I had that, how come he has that) OR negatively(he is wrong to invest his money into those materialistic things life is about love). Yet you are taking the precious moments of life God gave you to contemplate and judge the beliefs of others... God most deffinetly approves of different views and new concepts he never once established that any religion was the right religion to follow.

I'm quite sure Jesus never forced anyone to listen to him they just did somewhere along the line between Jesus openly speaking to those who didn't listen who were damned to be ignorant were just that damned, you think they were happy people if they could hate an innocent man? they were selfish they probably had terrible relationships because they clearly only killed jesus out of entertainment seeing as he was CALLED OUT BY THE KING as an innocent and that's probably how they went on in life trying to find their own selfish entertainement by any means because it made them feel good. Yet Jesus a completely unselfish person i'm rather sure felt terrible horrible pain in his think.... christianity like the masses attacking Jesus an individual preaching the word of God=Happyness. Are attacking us as individuals en mass to do the opposite of what God put us here to do which is to live life happy with respect to those around us and not to be selfish with anything especially your knowledge those who listen will listen and those who don't won't.

Don't worry, be happy.

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good posts, I know how you feel, yet in the end none of this will matter.

to everyone else. I was a christian for many years, and have read the bible many times over, let me tell you this.

being born again is not a ceremony that takes place in a church, it is a real thing, and when it happens there is no more struggle, no other questions, .... one can cast aside the bible and begin writing his own book as we are meant to do.

so as much as you think my belief's contradict christianity, ... in fact they are a testament to Christ's true teachings, and what you will never understand. You read the bible from a completely physical point of view, in order to truly understand it you must come from a place not rooted in this world. You cannot describe mar's from earth, yet Jesus offered a sort of telescope for ordinary man to glimpse it.

yet this telescope has become so twisted and rusted it does not serve it's purpose anymore.

It has been ten years since I left my body and saw the world with new eyes, ... and the only advice I can muster is forget everything you think you know, lose yourself completely that you may find infinity.

It may seem like I'm arrogantly trying to push my beleif's on you, or make it seem your lower than I, we are all one, different color's of a perfect spectrum.

However when one knows the truth, it light's them up inside and they can't help running through a market place toppling tables.

yet now... such as then, no one listens. Times may change, but people don't.

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Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
reply to post by truthtothemasses

 

good posts, I know how you feel, yet in the end none of this will matter.

to everyone else. I was a christian for many years, and have read the bible many times over, let me tell you this.

being born again is not a ceremony that takes place in a church, it is a real thing, and when it happens there is no more struggle, no other questions, .... one can cast aside the bible and begin writing his own book as we are meant to do.

so as much as you think my belief's contradict christianity, ... in fact they are a testament to Christ's true teachings, and what you will never understand. You read the bible from a completely physical point of view, in order to truly understand it you must come from a place not rooted in this world. You cannot describe mar's from earth, yet Jesus offered a sort of telescope for ordinary man to glimpse it.

yet this telescope has become so twisted and rusted it does not serve it's purpose anymore.

It has been ten years since I left my body and saw the world with new eyes, ... and the only advice I can muster is forget everything you think you know, lose yourself completely that you may find infinity.

Are you defending Christianity or mocking it? Your first post was slamming the Bible and saying it was a dead religion. Now you are coming out of the closet with your beliefs (no pun intended) and now it's hard to figure out where you are coming from.

Either you were born again and are a Christian or you never were to begin with. You cant have you cake and eat it to. Just wanting some clarification is all; no harm no foul.

This so called, "modern Christianity" I'm not sure what that is! Christianity started 2000 years ago and true Christians are those with Christ in them.

Many so called Christians are not Christians. They go to a building and say I am a Christian. They grew up in a family that goes to a church so that makes them Christian. I think not!

Jesus Christ declared that He is the way, the truth and the life, not me.

The Word of God declares that the true Christian is here in his stead to make disciples (discipled ones) of ALL men. If all other religions teach any other way other than the way that the Author of Life has spelled out in His Rule Book, then those religions teach false doctrines, plain and simple!

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I hope that regardless of what you believe, you continue to find solutions to your problems, in your own ways; because whether we have a soul or not, it is such acts that define the essence of humanity.

stella
I know for a fact that though you seem to mock God once in awhile
your heart is different from that.
That's what the God I know looks at. So we are more eye to eye than
you might think.

Cor leonis

Many so called Christians are not Christians

I think a person has to be careful here. To say I'm not really even a Christian could be taken as a denial of Christ. I would much rather just say I follow Christ, although that does make a person a Christian. I'm a sheep. Baaa!



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Do you have to be christian to be born again ???

thats where you get lost, in trying to decipher all of the intricancie's of the bible and the rules they carry.

I agree that the bible WAS the truth, .... however that was 2000 years ago, spirituality does not stand still, it evolves and changes with mans ability to understand it.

bible this, bible that, ..... Im telling you that you do not need it, .... you never have. We have a built in gps system that brings us home if we allow it to. First you must stop accepting things blindly and begin to ask your own questions, create for yourself, instead of blindly following what your translation of the bible grants, which if flawed from the beginning.

I have been to the " other side" as people put it, I have seen things most people would not understand, and have returned to share this with all of those who are eager to learn.

yet everyone pretends they have it all figured out, and they argue not against me, .... but for themselves, trying to reaffirm their own belief's .

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Indeed Mr. Randy Watson !!!


we have more in common than you might think. we both work to ultimately create a better world around us, I do not mock god, I only mock the fake impression of god and the christ that people have.