Universal Pedophile Symbols & other info: Learn these to protect your children!

reply to post by ForestForager


I actually saw the original back in 1984. But in 1984 the term pedophile was not a well known term and child molestation was not something you talked about. I have always thought that Freddy was called as a "child murderer" because that term was more acceptable at the time. Anyway, Freddy being a pedophile in the remake makes perfect sense to me.

[edit on 11-5-2010 by cripmeister]

I'm not reading 16 pages of responses to see if this has already been said; I fully expect to be chastised for this, and I apologize.

However:

"Pedobear is said to have originally begun as a way for young members of chan sites (4chan, 7chan, 12chan…) to call attention to pedophiles in their midst pretending to be kids to get their information. The pedophiles have since adopted Pedobear as their symbol of pride on the chan sites, claiming that the invention of the bear is a “loving gesture” toward them."

Absolutely not.

The character is a Pedophile bear. It appears frequently in a predatory stance towards children. There are lots of text macro stories that circulate on some of the boards of sexual nature involving the bear. A handful of the *chan goers may have adopted it as a positive symbol... Forget not, however, that this was spawned in the darkest, filthiest orifices of the underbelly of the internet. There is absolutely nothing benign about the *chans. I urge all ATS readers to be very careful when, where and how they advertise *chan "culture", if you can call it that.

Originally posted by UberL33t
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Okay I did as you requested and read every page of the thread...I just hope you give me the same respect and read my whole post

...so here we go:

First and Foremost:

My sincere apology for not completely reading the thread in it's entirety when I made
this post. I'll be the first to admit, BAD FORM on my part!

However, I did in fact read the thread in it's entirety in it's infancy. I saw what the OP presented, read the few replies and decided not to post an opinion because at the time it seemingly wasn't something that I felt like sharing my views on. I more had the internal thought of "hmm good for the OP for making people aware of stuff like that".

Obviously you were not alone in that.

Seemingly the images stuck in my head and when I happened across dalan.'s post in another thread I said to myself "heyyyy, that was that pedophile bear thingy in that one symbols thread" So I headed back to this thread not even aware dalan. was a contributor (my presumptuous mistake).

I thought I had just inadvertently stumbled upon a pedophile in the midst of ATS. Mind you this was sometime after I originally read the OP's thread. Just know, my intentions were merely to make ATS aware that there was a possible child predator in their midst and I still was on the fence but felt better safe than sorry. At worst I'd get foe'd.

Based on these post:

Ironic as it is that dalan. was one of the first posters who posted this sort of reply. Because I did pretty much everything mentioned, so that solidifies the argument in the thread that threads such as these can invoke a witch hunt-esque style mentality towards a subject that is this controversial. While I'll agree my ignorance played a role (lesson learned), I don't think my post even remotely resembles a "witch hunt", there is however validity that information, when not properly researched and/or presented can prompt certain actions by someone presuming it's "good" information.

So you see one of the main problems with this type of thread?

Now as far as the OP's intent, and the claims that this is just a fabrication from some half-cocked comedians to get a rise out of the responders. I can't really comment on this as I don't know the OP from Adam and any speculation throughout the thread as such is just that, speculation. As far as his creditability on ATS is concerned and his alleged affiliation with this "chan" group, I don't feel I am qualified to suggest one way or another because I don't know him.

All I can offer is that you should go through the OP's history and check some of the other threads started or posts made. It is pretty interesting what some people give away so easily with what they do here.

What was his intent or gain to lie about this? Laughs? He has been on ATS for a bit according to his Registered: date. I have only seen this person in passing on other threads so the fact that you claim he is a "willfull liar" based on other threads is not for me to speculate and I will go no further discussing that allegation. Please don't direct me to these either as I feel it is neither here nor there in regards to the OP. I will say this, Mods are the one's who determine HOAX!'s, if he was found to be a fraud he would have been banned by now. That should tell you something about any previous cases that you have presented based on his credibility.

People get away with lying or hoaxing on ATS all the time. For one thing, if you lie in a thread someone else started. Secondly, there are threads started by people who claim:

to be aliens
to be time travellers
to have invented machines that do all kinds of things physics will not allow in their garage
to be psychic
etc...

that have yet to be moved to the hoax bin or the OPs banned. While you can argue they might be telling the truth, I would recommend you peruse an alien or inventor and thread and see the lies and downright stupid things people get away with posting on ATS.

The specific reason I relate my past encounter with the OP of this thread is because it is entirely related. He started a thread in which he posted information that has been posted all over ATS before but never once proven or even sourced. No one has even presented a decent argument, it is just one of those things that gets retold as truth here. I asked the OP to source it and got put on ignore.

Now we have this thread and here he actually tries to source it for everyone. What a nice job he is doing too. There is nothing suspicious about linking to OFFICIAL FBI documents but never once being able to link to any FBI source for that document or the details in it. Do you not find that odd? In light of how people like Dalan and I expressed concern over reactions to this fake information and how you reacted to it, do you not wonder now more about where this info came from originally?

Then you, like I am left wondering why. Some people just post here because stars and flags mean something to them. Truth and substance take a back seat. I have witnessed the OP use bad methods to push bad intentions before and this thread has turned out exactly like it seemed it would. One posted wants anyone dead who happens to be on a list regardless of the actual crime - because they have no idea how easy it is to get on that list these days - and regardless of numbers presented by "Project Innocence" of wrongly convicted people for rape. Then we have you who just wants to do right and takes it as fact and then acts on it. Imagine if you saw Dalan on the street wearing one of those necklaces instead of an avatar. If you called him out as a child molester in public, how do you think that would go down? Given that this thread has revealed that pedophiles using these symbols make up about 1% of the people using them, you would have a 99% chance of making the wrong persons life go to hell because of your good intentions and this OPs bad intentions meeting.

The fact of the matter is that attention is being brought to a major problem that has and does persist in society and the following quotes are ones that I mirror in regards to this subject and being aware:

As for the rest of your post, I feel it deserves an answer when I get the time to truly sit down and reply in proper. Do not think I am just blowing it off. I have read it all twice already but do not want to just give it a throw away response so until later....

Thanks for actually taking the time to read this thread and learn something in spite of the OP.

reply to post by Catfish


Good find. Sorry you came to the party a little late but better than not at all.

You may wish to utilize the ignore feature that ATS has. Very effective.

reply to post by anon72

You may wish to utilize the ignore feature that ATS has. Very effective.

yeah , it is - if you are a coward who is not prepared to admit he was wrong - and just continues to blithely spam hoax after hoax

yeah - ` ignore user ` is great for people like you

it means you never have to answer any hard questions

tell me - why do you actually bother with forums ??? - i sense a blog would suit you better - no pesky skeptics to bother you - just ldisable comments and spam away

[edit on 11-5-2010 by ignorant_ape]

Just because someone post something doesn't mean they are for it or against it. Let alone quailified to make proper responses.

The article is what it is. I just posted it. The sources and other follow up info was more than sufficient-I and most others feel.

As I indicated in the opening OP. a touchy subject. I think it is clear to see that it was easier to try and kill the message poster than the actual message.

Just becuase someone writes a response w/ a point or question doesn't earn them a right for a counter response.

Sorry I didn't answer the ones you believe I should have but thats the way it goes. Be sure to follow my threds and we'll see if I do better for you. )

Have a great night all.

reply to post by anon72


I agree .... Major Strike against Pedaphiles ! I'm tired of these guys hurting kids.
I vote for the 50,000 volts up the butt (as Daria has said in the Bevis and Butthead cartoons).

Originally posted by UberL33t
The fact of the matter is that attention is being brought to a major problem that has and does persist in society and the following quotes are ones that I mirror in regards to this subject and being aware:

post by fizzy1

Being aware of your childs actions and the people the have in their lives is more important. Watching your children for changes in behaviour is probobly the most important thing to do. Stay involved in your childs life and know where they are and who they are with. Too many people just tune out of their kids lives and their children get tempted and lured into situations that only later you find out about and try to deal with after the fact. This can be anything from drugs to sex to child predators.

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Seriously i know people have but the best intentions when trying to get the word out and find a way to stop pedophiles. I am definetly NOT trying to crush anyones enthusiasm for that. But it has to be done correctly and in the proper way with the proper authorities lest we inadvertantly harm someone who is innocent and not deserving of justice. I wouldnt want the blood of an inocent man on my hands because i did the wrong thing thinking it was for the right reasons.

post by UnmitigatedDisaster

Proper parenting involving being aware of her activities as she grows, meeting her friends and friends parents, and giving her the tools and confidence she needs to deal with situations, and a healthy dose of suspicion is better than trying to sneak a peak at everyone's jewelry.

post by brilab45

We should teach children early on about the facts of life. They will discover on their own anyways. Think about it. When you were in 5th or 6th grade......you knew about sex before you taught anything. C'mon really.

Not to mention alternatives to being made aware of said pedophiles, which I found didn't come until around page 14 of the thread, more on that later.

Well I agree with the statements about being more aware parents and all that, I am not sure I see what was helpful on page 14. The list of registered sex offenders is highly missleading and in my opinion does more to cause paranoia than it does to help parents be aware of anything real.

My biggest problem with things like this thread are that people like you and the people you quoted are simply people with good intentions who want to protect innocent children from harm. All good things and hard to find fault with. The problem is that it is so easy to slip bad information to people with good intentions about a subject like this becasue no one wants to be seen as "defending" the sex offender.

Now in regards to the symbolism aspect, I referenced the following posts:

post by ignorant_ape

the ` social dynamic ` of peadophiles / peadiophilia is totally underground , illegal and universally despised

post by eMachine

While I doubt most pedophiles would use any sort of visual identifiers, I suppose in the internet age there may be a small 'community' of those who would.

I think if there were any symbolism involved it would be strictly limited to the internet. As others mentioned these people are private and aren't going to draw any unnecessary attention to themselves with blatant symbols. However, on the internet, this is a whole different world. CONTINUED>>>

[edit on 5/10/2010 by UberL33t]

I agree with you there. There are certainly groups of criminals of various types that found ways to share with each other through the internet but since the images in the OP are items such as necklaces and stamped coins, I am not sure this information really works.

reply to post by Evisscerator


LOL 50k enema. That just might work. (but I still think Chemical Castration is best). Maybe the two combined will be the trick to stop them. hmmm

Something has to be done. From the freshly turn adults (18/19) to the old people that prey on children.

The more exposure we can put on them, the better. They fear the light.

Thank you for you posting.

Originally posted by UberL33t
In the news you hear of these CP rings that get infiltrated and the accused has their computer confiscated and some times thousands of forms of pedophilia type of media was said to be found.

I just want to stop you there to relate two personal experiences. I have a friend I have known since I was a kid who is a gay man. When I was younger, he was having a relationship with a mutual friend who was 16. I knew first hand from both of them that this was a consentual relationship, however it did violate the age of consent law. They were busted by the 16 year old's sister one day. He was so afraid of what his mom would say that he just said that he did not know what was happening and must have been taken advantage of. Next thing you know, the whole family wanted the blood of this child molestor that turned their little boy gay. Fine fine, whatever.

Now, my gay friend LOVED his VCR to the point of sickness. He bought blank tapes like a drug addict. He had every episode of "The Kids in the Hall" "Get a Life" stupid crap like that. He taped EVERY movie HBO aired and just about anything on the Discovery channel. He had a total of 5 porno movies. I mean I really know this guy and really knew him then. The only way to have known him better would have been had I been gay myself so I am not just relating what I was told.

So when the police came to arrest him, they photographed his entire house. This included book cases full of VHS tapes. The tapes were actually marked exactly what they were and putting them into the VCR would prove it. What went into the report and was stated in court and then repeated by the family for years? "He had a library of thousands of videos of pornography."

See, they did not even check what was on those tapes. I never would have even gotten into "The X-Files" if it had not been for him taping it for me. So when I see claims of thousands of pictures, I have to wonder how many of those pictures were actually child pornography.

On the other hand...

I was fishing for free textures just to screw around with my 3D programs a few years ago. I was relating to a friend of mine how annoying it was to click this, then that, then save as, then go back and do the next. He told me that he uses a program called Medusa to download mass porn. I checked it out and it was great. You put in a URL and it downloads any image file it finds and it searches links and subdomains. In minutes I had over 5000 images and now I could not even find what I was looking for. He uses this to download porn.

Basically, what I am saying is that while some people might have thousands of images of kiddy porn and that is still a very very bad thing, I do not believe that these reports always accuratly portray the reality of the situation but play to the most sensational and feear inducing hype instead.

They most certainly network, for fear of being caught they aren't just going to put their media out in the open. They are going to use forums, IRC chat, and many other forms of underground file sharing mediums.

Logically, they would seemingly need to use some form of symbolism in order to network their media to people with the same interests as to avoid unwanted exposure. Just my opinion of course, but symbolism and this subject would seem to go hand in hand as there are plenty of accounts of whole rings being broken up.

That makes perfect sense, minus the necklace and stamped coin deal but I am with you here. My only issue is that you have a point. We hear about rings being broken up. Do we ever hear that they found each other through the use of identifying symbology? I have not. Have you? Outside this thread that is. I am not saying I know it is not that way, just that with all the other logic going on in this thread...I am not so sure. I know that they do use common phrases to identify each other and that makes more sense to me on the internet. I have to assume that many of these people are suspicious of others and try to keep secret. In that, using image files as an introduction seems contrary. That is just me though. The internet is heavily text based and when it comes to secrecy, codes like "Loli" and "kinder" seem to be working just fine for them.

Going to the trouble to find a way to attatch an image file to your every presence on the internet would be troublesome and completely leave you out of most file sharing networks as they only offer a place for a name and comments.

Just my two cents on that though so don't take me as pretending to know for a fact as the OP has.

In reference to the humor, though I personally would never make light of this subject I can completely understand why one would who had been affected by it.

post by dalan.

My sister and I are very close. We have had very long discussions about these things. I admire my sister very much, because instead of keeping up the identity of a "victim" she was able to learn from her experiences. Likewise, I have always done everything that I can for her in regards to lightening her mood. I have tried to help her to find humor in our experiences of life. I personally find that laughter really is the best medicine, and we are giving power to our attackers when we allow ourselves to mentally remain as victims.

I find humor in a great deal that would be considered unorthodox to other people. Without going into detail, I can't empathize in regards to your situation as I have never experienced such. However, based on your anecdote, I can completely understand why you'd choose laughter as the coping mechanism. For that I commend you and your sisters strength. Many victims are known to take a much more unhealthy path.

I am guessing that is directed at Dalan and not me so I will refrain but my favorite humor is usually the most ironic. Unfortunately in our society that relies heavily on going against social mores. I am not saying that makes it right but it sure makes it hard for me to see anything but humor in Dalan's first post in this thread. I thought it was the first real touch of humanity and reality introduced and made me laugh. The way I see it, if you cannot empathize, then you cannot condemn the way he deals with it.

We in the US seem to have a penchant for getting upset for victims whether they need it, like it, or want it themselves.

To wrap it up just a few more points I wanted to hit on. First the one true post that offered an alternative means to determine a pedophile existence.

What amazes me is that it took getting to page 14 of this thread before anyone posted alternative pedophile recognition information apart from what was presented in the OP in reference to being aware of sexual predators in ones general vicinity.

post by ahrcanum

A quick search from Family Watchdog is Free and does not require your email to use it www.familywatchdog.us... It shows registered offenders by zip code.

post by K J Gunderson

Yet another detrimental post! People like you are not much better than any other petty thieves. My 19 year old brother is on that list.

and you are advocating his death because you think that will save a child?

This isn't ahrcanum's fault that offenders and predators are grouped into one category. It's the judicial system. Although I don't share the "kill them all" mentality that ahrcanum does. Have you ever thought to write your State Rep and voice your view on the way these sites are managed? Griping about it in a forum thread doesn't do much for making your voice heard to the ones that can change it.

I did not blame him for putting people on a list, I called him out for advocating their death. That is entirely him.

As to your response, sure. I actually worked with a group of sex offenders for a while and this kind of why I have the feelings I do. Unfortunately, the state reps are more than happy to tell you that just because people do not know what "sex offender" really means is just too damn bad. No one is going to take a public stand AGAINST the registry. It is that simple. There are people on that list for pissing in a park. They are sex offenders because they exposed themselves in public and someone saw it. I can buy that just fine. My problem is people like arhcanum that believe "sex offender" automatically means child molester. That is the commen think these days. If you are on that list, you must be a child molester. Unfortunately, the reality is that it is a big list that ecompass a great many different types of crimes and people like him that run around shouting "Kill them" unfortunately find people who will listen.

It seems your reply actually ended up shifting from me to other people so I am sorry if I stepped on any answer I should not have. I was trying my best to respond to what seemed like a thoughtful post.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
I actually worked with a group of sex offenders for a while and this kind of why I have the feelings I do. Unfortunately, the state reps are more than happy to tell you that just because people do not know what "sex offender" really means is just too damn bad. No one is going to take a public stand AGAINST the registry. It is that simple. There are people on that list for pissing in a park. They are sex offenders because they exposed themselves in public and someone saw it. I can buy that just fine. My problem is people like arhcanum that believe "sex offender" automatically means child molester. That is the commen think these days. If you are on that list, you must be a child molester. Unfortunately, the reality is that it is a big list that ecompass a great many different types of crimes and people like him that run around shouting "Kill them" unfortunately find people who will listen.

You know it is interesting to me. People that have worked with convicted sex offenders in a professional or official capacity often see the perils and irrationality of public witch hunts, registry lists, and the 'justice' system. I think in certain ways, the justice system sort of works against anyone convicted of a felony, whether that is a sexual offense or otherwise. These folks are some of the most monitored and controlled people in public today. When they go to apply for a job, their application is immediately rejected after they truthfully fill out the form saying that they have been convicted of a felony. In many ways the system itself is a challenge to someone getting their life back on track.

I also find it incredibly troubling and ironic that many law-abiding members of the public and this forum are advocating the commission of a felony (i.e. murder, "kill 'em all!") to deal with people that have been convicted of a felony.

reply to post by MKULTRA



Here here!!!!

I could not agree more. To get back to my little brother who is on that list for consensual sex with a girl he was barely two years older than...we were talking about him getting in trouble for something else and he basically expressed that getting arrested for a felony does not bother him anymore because the way he sees it, his life is over. Being on that list at 19 has told him that he will never be able to live anywhere nice, meet a nice normal girl, get a decent job, etc. so he might as well just say screw it to all things legitimate. I am certainly not justifying his attitude or defending it or even saying I would feel that way or not, but it is what it is. Luckily for him, he has not been on it long enough for other people to start noticing he lives in their midst but his young little face shows up real good when you look him up.

Now thanks to the sex offender registry, we have a punk kid who could care less about the law or being good and we have a group of people that would like to see him killed for being on that list, and somewhere is a 17 year old girl now having sex with some other guy that can not get arrested for being with her.

reply to post by BladeDraven


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[edit on 5/16/2010 by clay2 baraka]

Why is this garbage here on ATS? ATS has nothing to do with pedofiles or anything else similar to the subject. ATS board is a site for discussing topics such as government conspiracies, paranormal events and entities, and other topics that fit into the gray area. I dont come to ATS to learn supposed pedo symbols and bash pedos. its like a hate crime in itself. If you want to bash pedos than go to africa where they marry and have sex with girls as young as 8 or 9. Its not a sickness or disorder or anything its in our genetic code. mammals of other species start having sex as soon as their bodies are sexually mature. Humans are mammals and they sexually mature between the ages of 9 and 14 usually. Humans are hardwired (like all other mammals) to reproduce once sexually mature. so these so called sick pedos are really just being human or mamallian wich humans are mammals. Just my 2 cents.

take this off of ats and go to a Parents against Pedos forum or sumthing.

If the OP's post were real then it would be in the right space. Unfortunately it's not.

Originally posted by Mitsuskitzo
Why is this garbage here on ATS? ATS has nothing to do with pedofiles or anything else similar to the subject. ATS board is a site for discussing topics such as government conspiracies, paranormal events and entities, and other topics that fit into the gray area. I dont come to ATS to learn supposed pedo symbols and bash pedos. its like a hate crime in itself. If you want to bash pedos than go to africa where they marry and have sex with girls as young as 8 or 9. Its not a sickness or disorder or anything its in our genetic code. mammals of other species start having sex as soon as their bodies are sexually mature. Humans are mammals and they sexually mature between the ages of 9 and 14 usually. Humans are hardwired (like all other mammals) to reproduce once sexually mature. so these so called sick pedos are really just being human or mamallian wich humans are mammals. Just my 2 cents.

take this off of ats and go to a Parents against Pedos forum or sumthing.

And you are a qualified Biologist and Geneticist are you????

That has to be the biggest load of crap I have heard in a LONG time.

Most Paedophiles are predators, pure and simple, and there are reports to back that claim up.

You don't like it, tough #.

reply to post by TerribleTeam2


LOL most pedos are not predators, there are millions out there that never act out.

For example just because your gay, doesnt mean your now gonna rape guys.

Even pedos have morals. It's those who dont you need to worry about.

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
And you are a qualified Biologist and Geneticist are you????

Are you?

Which gene has been finally identified as the pedophile gene?

That has to be the biggest load of crap I have heard in a LONG time.

This? or that?

Most Paedophiles are predators, pure and simple, and there are reports to back that claim up.

Have some numbers? When did they get an accurate count of people that consider themselves to have pedophile leanings? Are you just saying what you hope is true or do you have facts?

You don't like it, tough #.

So if we do not just decide to believe whatever ignorant nonsense you spill with no backup, it is too bad for us huh?

[edit on 17-5-2010 by K J Gunderson]

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2Most Paedophiles are predators, pure and simple, and there are reports to back that claim

then please cite them - then we can study them ourselves

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
Most Paedophiles are predators, pure and simple, and there are reports to back that claim up.

Please cite the reports you mention to back up your claim that "most paedophiles are predators". Please ensure that your cited reports (or personal research) indicate that 51% or more of the sample have a documented felony against a non-relative child.

Looking forward to reading your citations.