Video: couple arrested at US border for asking questions

Originally posted by Izarith
hopefully I die of cancer ASAP, until then i'm going to do a job and then I'll get paid, the rest of you Nazi can go run your little world....Izzy.

I'm sorry...Nazi-wise, you don't know yer arse from page nine.

If the US were a Nazi state, the next time you tried to cross the border, you would disappear. Punkt.

And any relatives in the US that asked questions, would quite likely be shot.

Carry on about the system all you like, but it wouldn't hurt your argument (or credibility) to have your facts straight.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


Oh i see so because the Man and his wife in the video were not shot on the spot America is exempt from being compared to the Nazi?

So if the guy in the video had been a smart butt and got his brains blown out on the spot then I would be justified in Calling Nazi America Nazi? but because the Man and his Wife were merely locked up and given a criminal record over being a Smart butt America was just doing it's Job?

That is ridiculous. Have you ever seen a movie or read a book or watched a Doc on Nazi Germany Before WW II?

They did not all of a sudden start butting Jews in ovens, this only happened in the end. The Nazis in Nazi Germany before WW II started doing things to Jew just like what you saw in that video.

And what is this talk about "MY credibility"? Are you looking for a new messiah? A new leader to follow? Because I am neither bud.

I'm just a guy very worried over the mistreatment of people in Nazi America.

Your biker, hippy looking Butt should be too.

I work in security at a hospital in Haifa, Israel and we have to question people upon entering the hospital. Anyone who doesn't immediately reply politely and follow instructions is delayed and questioned further and ultimately may be prevented from entering. We're just security guards, not policeman or border patrolmen but we have every right to refuse anyone entry to the hospital pretty much on our own whim. Usually the Arabs are very polite and know what to say and how to say it so as not to be delayed for even more then a few seconds. It's often more middle aged male Jews who are the worst in questioning. They never learn you just have to listen and respond politely and quickly.

This Canadian guy would not have been allowed entry into the hospital here if he responded like that to our questioning or at least he would have been much delayed until we got him to tell his story and he calmed down.

reply to post by verfed


At a hospital!?!?

What do you do if a guy just got shot in the stomach and is unconscious? Do you deny him access too?

You a security guard has the authority (you do not have the right, you have the authority) to deny people access to a Hospital?

That's disgusting. And from what you say you treat your own Jewish people like this?

How Manny sick Jews seeking medical treatment have you denied access to?

Damn man they don't even do sick stuff like that in Nazi America.

I live about a half hour drive from that very spot. I can tell you first hand that you don't mess with border security. They have no sense of humor, and are within their rights to make your day very unpleasant if they feel like it. This is nothing new, and has nothing to do with 'Obamanation' as the OP states.

Understand that we're not talking about a traffic stop here. These are the guys who decide who gets to cross an OPEN BORDER. If you play nice and aren't suspicious, you get through in less than a minute. You cop an attitude, and you get your car searched at the very least.

Does anyone here have any idea how many pounds of drugs are smuggled across that border every day? More than you think. I had one incident myself where a car I was in was thoroughly searched for drugs, and everyone in the car was polite and compliant the whole time. They don't need a good reason.

Anyway, this sort of thing happens all the time, and all it takes is one trip where you rub someone the wrong way. After that, you tend to mind your manners when crossing the border.

As some others have stated, the same thing applies when going in the other direction.

As for the odd question that the agent asked the driver, this is normal too. If you can get someone to get flustered or give inconsistent answers, it's a good way to find out if they're making it up as they go along.

Remember, you don't have the same rights at the border as you do when a cop pulls you over on the street. Those of us who live near the border learn this at a very early age.

Originally posted by Izarith
Have you ever seen a movie or read a book or watched a Doc on Nazi Germany Before WW II?

Well, I have the perspective of being German by birth...I know a little about the subject, thanks. And I cross the border not infrequently.

You may bristle at an authoritarian greeting at the border. You may think the guy in the video was hard done by. You are entitled to your opinions.

And am I looking for a new messiah? No thanks...unless you're lead dog, the view never changes.

But the United States of America is not a Nazi state. In fact, to make the comparison diminishes the evil of the Nazis.

And that's why I have a problem with your assertion.

Are you still going on about this thread?

America is not Nazi Germany. Yea they may have added a few new things like the Patriot Act and the Domestic Terrorism Act since 2001 but that does not make them Nazi's

And correct me if I am wrong but you said you cross the border everyday to work in America? The irony of your railings against what happened here and the USA is Nazi Germany are absolutely lost on you aren't they?

So before I go any further, I'll ask you a a question.

Why exactly do you see this as a furtherance of America into a Nazi like state? Also, and I guess this makes it 2 questions, what do you actually now about Nazi Germany in the 30's before the war cause from here I am sitting, it isn't much. Please don't be afraid to go into detail. I don't suffer from TLDR.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


As a fellow Canuck I disagree with almost all of your comments on the subject, the Canadian / US border has gotten worse over the years and mostly because of the attitudes WITHIN the US, those border guards are acclimatized by things happening within the country and the only expression they have is to take it out in there jobs, if that's giving a foreigner (be it Canadian) its a way of flexing there authority and showing those pesky foreigners who is in charge!!

After living / working in the US for 25 years .... and being a Canadian traveling back and forth for 30 years the border and the attitudes have most noticeably changed in the last 10.

count your lucky stars you have been lucky, but as is the law of mathematics ..... your number will come up if you cross enough times.


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Originally posted by svpwizard
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

As a fellow Canuck I disagree with almost all of your comments on the subject, the Canadian / US border has gotten worse over the years and mostly because of the attitudes WITHIN the US, those border guards are acclimatized by things happening within the country and the only expression they have is to take it out in there jobs, if that's giving a foreigner (be it Canadian) its a way of flexing there authority and showing those pesky foreigners who is in charge!!
After living / working in the US for 25 years .... and being a Canadian traveling back and forth for 30 years the border and the attitudes have most noticeably changed in the last 10.
count your lucky stars you have been lucky, but as is the law of mathematics ..... your number will come up if you cross enough times.

Two points:
First, during that aforementioned 10 years, there has been some tightening up on the border, which is reflected in the increased level of documentation required when you get there. Go figure, eh?

Secondly, the border experience is only as good as your last crossing. Maybe my number will come up...but you know what? I'm smart enough not to sass the gatekeeper. Obsequious, no...mannered respect? Yupper!

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


I mean no disrespect I actually find most of your comments very intelligent, the issue I take here is that I too have had relatively little problem crossing, BUT I certainly see the mood and attitude changes to others not as familiar with the borders.

I have been sent to secondary several times and as soon as you are sent to that point you are already guilty!! and they want you to feel the POWER, there is the point those unfamiliar with the process screw up and think they can still talk themselves out of harms way, when in fact that is the point you need to roll over and show your belly. Still I 100% believe its a wast of energy to do this to people who DO NOT FIT THE known descriptions of either a terrorist (whatever that is) or a smuggler (yes I believe in profiling for law enforcement and borders)

The border unfortunately is an extension of what is happening in the country, and it AINT GOOD, police infringing on personal freedoms and privacy are really getting to a boiling point for the country. I personally hope Canada doesn't get anywhere close to the policies the US has.

by the way I left the US in 09' and what the press says about whats happening, unemployment etc. is 10 times worse than whats reported.

Weeeeell, to play the devil's advocate, I think the guy was a moron. Firstly, who records their trip though the border crossing? Second, it's quite simple. Go though, answer the questions asked and keep your mouth shut. This guy was belligerent and obnoxious. Exclaiming, "what are you gonna do, huh? what are you gonna do?" Well, now he knows.

Don't piss off the border guards! This has nothing to do with a nazi policed state, just some guy who wanted to create trouble for himself.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


Nazi Germany had noting to do with Germans. Nazi Germany was only so able to do what it did to the Jews because of the revolt and disgust the average person had for the Poor Ghetto Jew including the Jews.

France went door to door riping their own citizens from their beds in the middle of the night to hand them over to the Nazi. Every country just Handed over their own Jewish Citizens rather then fight to the death for them.

IMO you being German gives you no authoritative high hand in this subject as it involved the whole of the people in the world.

Understanding what our own interpretation of what is good or Just or needed no matter what atrocities it can lead to, is.

reply to post by GAOTU789

Are you still going on about this thread?

Well I was just sticking around in the hopes that you would comment on your last post I responded to.

America is not Nazi Germany. Yea they may have added a few new things like the Patriot Act and the Domestic Terrorism Act since 2001 but that does not make them Nazi's

Yes but how far do we have to go before America is worse than Nazi Germany?

You have to keep in mind that Nazi Germany was only a horrible thing to Jews and Germans enemies. Everyone else in Germany at the time was having the time of their life, they had good jobs, plenty of money was flowing around, that incredibly, astronomical huge dept imposed on them after WW I was gone. Nazi Germany was a great place to live if you Were A German Nazi supporter.

In America this is not the case, there are no people who do not suffer from it's radical unjust and immoral Laws, If America ever became as Bad as Nazi Germany it's horrors would be inflicted on the whole of the American population. Well with the exception of the private entities running the show or batting people's heads in on the street.

And correct me if I am wrong but you said you cross the border everyday to work in America? The irony of your railings against what happened here and the USA is Nazi Germany are absolutely lost on you aren't they?

In your opinion perhaps they are. See what I do is I listen to the past, I respect my elders and consider them to have great wisdom. So when as a cab driver I talk to people from an older generation of America and they can't believe the drastic changes they themselves are put through I don't take such things lightly.

And IMO neither should you.

Why exactly do you see this as a furtherance of America into a Nazi like state? Also, and I guess this makes it 2 questions, what do you actually now about Nazi Germany in the 30's before the war cause from here I am sitting, it isn't much. Please don't be afraid to go into detail. I don't suffer from TLDR.

To answer your first question....

As you have stated yourself there have all ready been Laws and Acts integrated into Americas legal system. All America needs now is for it's people to be desensitized to such laws and acts being implemented on it's own people. This desensitization starts by having the American people watch and become accustomed to such direct violations of a persons right to be human being preformed on others who fit a different description of them selves like non citizens or illegals.

Once this is done it's a small step from it happening to non citizens with a smart mouth to Americas own citizens on American soil.

From what I can tell from your demeanor and your questions is that America has not to much father to go until even the very best, until even a Freemason can watch such things and think it's correct and morally just.

For your second Question....

I know enough Sir....

I know that After WW I Germany was left torn and in utter destitute, it had an absurd huge dept enforced on them by the rest of the world due to the fighting. The people of Germany were left hungry and poor and only found refuge in blaming a poor group of different people.

Hitler came along and everyone, and I mean everyone loved him even the Jews who helped put him in power. Hitler did many great things for Germany, he had many social programs that really helped people, he was the cause of the peoples wagon the VW bug a cheep and reliable car at a low cost for the people of Germany.

Hitler started getting a big head and decided to help his people even more by eliminating the dept Germany owed to the world, He needed a war, another attempt to take over the world and expend the land of his people. He chose to start the fighting over a spit of land.

Once his war was growing and going good, money started flowing, no more dept to pay people were happy and felt good about themselves and saw justification in Hitlers Actions and policies.

Hitler got an even bigger head after that and decided to rid the world of what he saw as the root cause of all of Germany's problems The terrorist Jew. In his mind he was not a bad person he was just trying to help his people and look at what happened.

In America I see the same thing happening. People are broke and have no money, they are being attacked by Terrorists and Mexicans are steeling their jobs. Crime is on the rise.

So your government is only trying to help, it's only trying to protect you just like Hitler was. I can only hope the price you are going to have to pay is worth it Because Hitler was a nobody the only the people who saw Hitlers actions and policy and followed his orders were the true power behind the Nazis.

TA!!

Izz.

Originally posted by Izarith
IMO you being German gives you no authoritative high hand in this subject as it involved the whole of the people in the world.

You asked if I'd ever read a book or seen a doc on the subject...I expected you'd infer that I'd heard about it firsthand...as I have. I believe our conversation is over.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Izarith
IMO you being German gives you no authoritative high hand in this subject as it involved the whole of the people in the world.

You asked if I'd ever read a book or seen a doc on the subject...I expected you'd infer that I'd heard about it firsthand...as I have. I believe our conversation is over.

Oh yeah....

Good point sorry.

I had forgot I asked that, and for some reason forgot that they cram the holocaust down your throat over there in Germany. My apologies.

But no were do they teach the fault the rest of the world has in either just letting it happen until there was technology to gain or just giving the Jews up like they were nothing to them. All that is always just a foot note.

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reply to post by yellow.sapphirine


Its was a terrible experience for a couple of innocent people. The border guards need to be fired for terrorizing innocent people. This matter needs to be looked into by the Obama administration, and those innocent people should have their records cleared. The border guards should be given felony records and never be given any type of government job ever again.

I think this is a typical depiction of what America is becoming. Take notice in the officers apparel from the west coast to the east. Notice its rather " para-military"?
You dont think they're changing the face of law enforcement to be seen as the good guys do you?
They ALL misuse there power, and I for one have no respect for the badge~

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