Video: couple arrested at US border for asking questions

citizenship, is based on law, which is different for each country.
Beeing born in the US gives you the right to an US passport. In Most of Europe that is not so. There you are what your parents where.
One problem I see is realy that in the US laws that protect the individuals only apply to US citizens, not to foreigners.
In Europe they stopped the harrassing on the borders and it still did not collapse...
But even before there was an other air to the inquiries. It was understood, that people lived the same lives on each side of the border.
Entering US or Canada gave me more the feeling, of begging for entry than any European border ever. Even or especially the entering of the East Germany was friendlier. They were strikt I would not have dreamed to be a smart ass, but the officials were allways polite to the extreme.
US citizens are to the european eye extremly polite, not so the guards at the borders. There could be a lot still learned.
You smart ass a border patrol, they would stop listening, and start searching your car. The louder you get the more they would look. You get my direction. Time to cool of for everyone too.

Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by RMFX1

 

I don't understand...

If they were born in the Netherlands why are they not Dutch?

Are they not citizens of the Netherlands?

No they aren't citizens of the Netherlands. They are British citizens who have British passports. I'm not sure what's hard to follow about it. Your nationality is not necessarily based on where you are born.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so forgive me if this has been mentioned before.

It sounds to me that the Canuck was recording the audio in the video. The audio begins when the couple are being questioned while still in their car. The audio distorts when the Canuck raises his voice, so the mike must be close to his mouth. The agent also asks him some thing about headphones.

If this is the case, and the Canuck recorded the audio, then he must have been expecting a confrontation and maybe in his mind thought he would be able to deal with it and have the audio to prove how clever he is.

Whether this is the case or not, he acted like an idiot early on in the video, then made it worse by raising his voice and repeatedly interrupting the agents.

I was resident in Canada for some years, and was briefed by my wife and neighbors in border-crossing protocol before I crossed into the US for the first time. Like other posters have said, answer the questions seriously, don't get smart or irate and you'll be fine. The guy thought he was smart and is now paying the price.

Regards

reply to post by RMFX1


Wow that is crazy!!

If that were the case in the USA everyone would be a foreigner lol.

But that is really not right, Your children were born on Netherlands soil, They most definitely should be Citizens of that country.

Well i'm just glad Mexico is not like that, I was born here so i'm a Mexican.

But in any case Obama's father Was African too, so he is still an African....Right?

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Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by RMFX1

 

Wow that is crazy!!

If that were the case in the USA everyone would be a foreigner lol.

But that is really not right, Your children were born on Netherlands soil, They most definitely should be Citizens of that country.

Well i'm just glad Mexico is not like that, I was born here so i'm a Mexican.

But in any case Obama's father Was African too, so he is still an African....Right?

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You're wrong again. The most certainly should not be citizens of the Netherlands as they are British through and through as are all of their ancestors. I'll put you out of your misery though and let you know that if we had chosen then they could have assumed Dutch nationality.

Also, I lived in South Africa for 8 years during my teens and while we were out there my parents had 2 children who grew up there and are also British by choice and now live back in the UK as young adults.

My cousin was born in new York while my uncle worked out there 30 years or so ago and he is now a dual UK and U.S citizen even though he left the U.S for the first time as a baby and only returned 5 years ago.

It's not as black and white as you seem to think it is.

Who in their right mind would want to go to a dump like the US, if you get welcomed like that.
Scummy little dorks, with delusions of granduer, above their station in life.

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Originally posted by acrux
Who in their right mind would want to go to a dump like the US, if you get welcomed like that.
Scummy little dorks, with delusions of granduer, above their station in life.

Who in their right mind would want to allow impolite, scummy little dorks with delusions of grandeur that their country is better then the one they are visiting, and who show zero level of class in the fact that they cannot comply with the same demands that their own country requires at its boarder crossings, into the USA anyway?

Originally posted by acrux
Who in their right mind would want to go to a dump like the US, if you get welcomed like that. Scummy little dorks, with delusions of granduer, above their station in life.

I'd say their station in life is to be entrusted with the security of the frontier. Do you really expect that the guy would have gotten a hard time if he had not mouthed off? It happens that I could be mistaken for a biker...so I get a little extra scrutiny. I'm always polite...they're always polite...I've never been declined entry.
As to your question,, you'd best pay a visit so you can speak from personal experience. But if I were you? I'd leave the attitude behind.

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How is the USA a Nazi state.
They let you in, many times, from reading your posts.

The NAZI' persecuted the mentally and physically disabled.

If the US is a Nazi state. Why did they let you in so many times?

Originally posted by GAOTU789
I can't believe some of ya have a problem with what happened here.

The guy got mouthy at a point of entry to another country. He wasn't going to the bar or a grocery store or something;he was leaving his country and entering another.

His own stupidity and hubris got him arrested.

So what if he got asked stupid questions? There was a reason for it. Answer them politely and be on your way. Whats so hard about that?

If you are going into someone else house, you don't bitch when they ask you to remove your shoes first, ya take off your shoes.

Actually, the situation begins when the Canadian fellow responds too quickly to the first question posed by the Border guard. The guard then states "That's not what I asked you" When in fact the border guard didn't actually finish his question in the first place. Almost immediately the border guard becomes confrontational and although the Canadian guy does respond with a certain amount of surprise to the guards demeanor, I think the guard takes it entirely out of proportion and is trying to teach the Canadian guy a lesson.

Now I have the feeling, a "gut" feeling that if the Canadian side of the border were to start treating each and every American as a terrorist, and be confrontational we would see a very different viewpoint from the members here. Americans abroad are not exactly known for their polite patience and understanding when they are inconvenienced..

..Ex

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Originally posted by defcon5
Who in their right mind would want to allow impolite, scummy little dorks with delusions of grandeur that their country is better then the one they are visiting, and who show zero level of class

I take it you don't realize that many Americans have taken to wearing Canadian flags on their clothes and luggage when traveling abroad so that they aren't treated as Americans in the countries they are visiting. One really has to wonder why those proud Americans need to pretend to be Canadians.

..Ex

Originally posted by Jenna
Yes they were abusing their power, but the guy was being a smart alec (always a bad idea when interacting with police or border patrol) and we don't know what he or his wife was doing during the "What are you gonna do shoot me? What are you gonna do?" part because we have no video to look at. Just his tone of voice while saying it makes it sound like he was challenging them. Again, always a bad idea in that situation. It shouldn't have escalated the way it did, but that's no excuse for him to be a wise ass.

Yeah, how dare he get angry when they're abusing their power and doing things that are completely uncalled for! When facing someone abusing their power, you're supposed to accept it and live your lives the way they want you to!

[edit on 7-5-2010 by SpectreDC]

Well, just to lighten the mood, regardless whether the couple were itching for the confrontation or not...

Reminded me of an old Frasier episode that was particularly amusing.

Daphne is asleep, and they cross into Canada while on the road trip, but she isn't carrying her Green Card. So, she is worried about re-entering the States, and whether she'll be deported...don't have the full clip, but it's fall-off-the-couch funny...

reply to post by yellow.sapphirine


That's what they get for trying to enter the united republic of AMERIKA while being white and canadian WTF????They don't do thi s*** to MEXICANS crossing ILLEGALY WTF??????????

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by yellow.sapphirine

 

That's what they get for trying to enter the united republic of AMERIKA while being white and canadian WTF????They don't do thi s*** to MEXICANS crossing ILLEGALY WTF??????????

I'll bet those aforementioned Mexicans are pretty darn polite when the meet up with a border patrol, though.

Obviously this guy, like most of you, is very inexperienced at border crossings. They have always acted like this, it is nothing new. As a yacht delivery captain for many years, I have made literally HUNDREDS of border crossings, in over thirty different countries. Usually at airports one way and on board a vessel on the other, so I know how both sides of this work. Dealing with Customs and Immigration at airports, and by sea you can add in the Coast Guard, DEA, Customs in cigarette boats, and sometimes local cops too. Now it all falls under Fatherland, er, Homeland Security. I haven't done many crossings by car, just the Mexican border a few times, that's even easier.

Having lots of training and experience also in sales and marketing, I have learned how to manipulate people's minds with words to get them to do what I want (give me their money), so I have also learned how to, and enjoy tremendously screwing with the dumb border guards' minds. Bear in mind these people are not exactly mental giants, or they would not have this idiotic job. They are trained to try to trip you up with words, to see if you act suspiciously. The fun thing is to use their own game against them, and try not to laugh as they become bamboozled. I could tell you a million stories.

You must always be polite and not get irritated. It is difficult, but this is key. Running through the crazy bureaucratic red tape in the banana republics in Central and South America used to be more hassle than the American ones, and all in a foreign language! But now the US outdoes everyone in logistical nightmares at the borders. Except the Mexican border, it's pretty much wide open.

I've cleared in by sea hundreds of times in Florida alone, usually coming from either the Bahamas or the Yucatan. These are by far the main smuggling routes for dope in the whole country, so they are extra vigilant around there as they should be. Especially on boats, because that is how most of the dope gets in. So of course they want to board and search you big time.

One of their own rules is that they don't have to stop you at sea, but you must let them board. So I would politely invite them aboard, saying, "We are on a tight schedule here so we can't stop, but please board right here," smiling all the way, as I kept the boat moving along at a good clip. This gets a little rough sometimes, trying to transfer between two moving vessels, especially if the seas are at all rough. I saw lots of goober landlubbers from Nebraska who had joined the Coast Guard out of some mistaken sense of patriotism, puke their guts out by the time they made it aboard. This would tend to cut short their "inspection". Wish I could have had videos of some of this, funny stuff.

Often I would be transporting boats, even across international borders, that were brand new, so, no registration, documentation, title, nor any name, hailing port, or numbers on the hull. This automatically looks suspicious of course. A boat doesn't need to have a name, but at least a hailing port painted on it somewhere. I've pulled it off many times with no trouble, just by playing games with them. I have talked them out of wanting to arrest me, impound the boat, and take chainsaws to it to find the secret compartments. I've even talked my way all the way through the Panama Canal with no registration, documentation or papers of any kind.

Airports, even better! One way e-tickets bought the day before, are always suspicious. Traveling alone, or with a crew of young men of fighting age, is doubly suspicious. Once, clearing Immigration in Miami, from Argentina, I had been down there for eight months, doing a couple of international boat deliveries. I had traded an Ipod for a set of fishing rods, which I was now technically smuggling in. I had to wait at the carousel for someone to bring the rods out from somewhere, they were too long to put on the carousel. When I got to the agent, he looked at my passport, with eight months out of the country, and said, "Hm, Argentina, huh? Been down there awhile. What you been doing down there?"

I looked him straight in the eye, holding the fishing rods, and said, "Fishin."

He tried to trip me up with clever, incisive questions. "What do you do up here?"

I quickly thought up a BS story. "You like fishing? I sell sportfishing boats. Our Cabo line are the best sportfishing boats money can by. Have you ever seen one?...." in complete smarmy salesman mode. His tiny brain was quickly disgusted by me trying to sell him something he knows he can't afford, and passed me through the line. I laughed to myself all the way out to the parking lot, where my buddy was waiting to pick me up, when I realized I forgot my guitar near the carousel while I was waiting for the rods to come out. If I want my guitar I'm going to have to pass through the gauntlet again.

Takes me half an hour to get to be allowed back in the customs area to retrieve the guitar, and then I have to pass through immigration again. This is a different guy. Here I am, traveling alone, with no luggage but a guitar. VERY suspicious! The guitar is probably stuffed full of blow from South America!

The peabrain actually takes the guitar out of the case, and is trying to look inside the soundhole to see the kilos of blow he is sure must be there. He, too, tries to trip me up with words, just like they told him to.

"What have you been doing down there all this time, going to all these countries?" he asks, convinced I will trip up and spill the beans about where I picked up the blow, where I stuffed it into the guitar, and who I'm selling it to as soon as I get in. I quickly think up another BS story, just to screw with his mind, and get at least a little satisfaction out of my extra 45 minutes wasted time.

In maximum hippy dippy accent, I tell him, "I was playing all over as a street musician,, as a stepping stone to my career as a rock star. Here, check this out, this is a song I wrote on the plane ride here..." I strummed the guitar.

"Put that thing back in the case, you're holding up the line. Welcome back to the US," he replied, sneering at me as he handed me my passport, while thinking how far above a mere street musician HE is, a powerful AIRPORT IMMIGRATION CLERK, I mean DESK JOCKEY, I mean OFFICER. I laughed again all the way out to the parking lot.

YOU MUST BE POLITE AT ALL TIMES. That's pretty much all it takes. If you learn

It made my blood boil to hear those scumbag self righteous idiots with customs badgering those people. " You are in a lot of trouble"...blah,blah, blah...typical cop FEARMONGERING.

The cops today, especially these morons with Customs, want the rest of us to FEAR them. They do not want respect....thats old fashioed. They want us to fear them, yet all we do is despise them...hate them...wish them dead.

Cops today MUST be assumed to be our ENEMIES. They are NOT in any way shape or form interested in protecting us or serving us. They want us to slavishly bow and scrape when they bark their ' orders'...and would love to abuse us worse than they do. The ONLY factor that keeps most cops from being absolute and total bullies and killers...murderers..is the slight fear of being discovered and prosecuted.

Sadly, cops today see US as the enemy....civilians are useful only for arrests and to assuage their sick eog's. They do not care if we suffer or die....if possible many of them will gladly violate our rights, just for kicks.

At the borders, it is worse. Customs pigs have even more latitude to abuse people than the rest of them...you heard the customs thug cop say that they can do anything they want...anything. They do not have to justify it, and they get away with gross violations every day.

Did you hear the LIAR cop say that they stop ' three terrorists a day ' at the crossing!! I wonder why the government is keeping that a secret? If that is true, why don't we read about it in the papers? IF it were true, the Feds would be screaming it across headlines day and night for publicities sake....and we ALL know that is a fact. They trumpet ALL ' terror' busts to the max, usually later we find out it was all crap and lies...but three a day?

Typical cop: Tell lies until you intimidate and coerce enough to win: WINNING to a cop means that we LOSE. That fact alone shows how sick and twisted the system is. If cops were forced to tell the truth, we would never hear a peep from them....all they know is lying and deception and coercion...they operate in a world where they see themselves as ultimate warriors ( when they have overwhelming force and advantages) and BOSSES of the civilians.

It sickens the civilized mind to listen to these horrid cops lie and lie and bluff and harrass....I am getting to the point that I regard all cops as subhuman pieces of trash...and disposing of the bad ones would no doubt help this nation...trouble is, most ALL are bad!!

Canadian Border Patrol Home Land Sercurity




this is hilarious ! ohh your Cold get into my truck! classic !


it hard work for a Border patrol agent ! some where down at the Southern Boarder

Boader Patrol Round up Fail


the Canadian Border Patrol near Quebec ! (small rural area) a 2 man Patrol LOL





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Originally posted by richierich
I regard all cops as subhuman pieces of trash...and disposing of the bad ones would no doubt help this nation...trouble is, most ALL are bad!!

Yah...until you need one! And the border guards are mindless thugs until they pop a smuggler...gun/drugs/human, or a terrorist an the way through.

A very senior and educated friend of mine told me on the day of 9/11/01 this:

"You do realize that this will give every idiot in the free world a blank check to act exactly like they are and be rewarded for doing so?"

I just shook my head in agreement because I knew that he was absolutely right.

Yes the border guard was looking for any excuse to f#(k with these people. Yes the husband in his aggravation at being treated like a juvenile in grammar school provided that all important window of opportunity for the monkey in the black suit with shiny badge to escalate things.

They probably got their rocks off arresting that poor lady who is your typical good girl who is at the wrong place at the wrong time.

And where is that wrong place?..... America, sad to say.