Hawaii governor announces 'exact' place of Obama birth. No wonder there is confusion!

Lets face it. If Obama had any manness in him, he would call a press conference, hold the LONG form BC up high and then slap it down on the table for all the world to inspect. And then turn around and walk off the stage with arogance. I would. EAT THAT if-you-will.

But, EVERYONE in here knows that won't and can't happen (you fill in the reasons here.....).

I think it is evident from the small sampling here that people as a whole nation are not convinced.

Lastly, I did come up with a possible suggestion for the new ATS:

Anytime someone post more than 3 replys-their account automatically gives the OP thread a Flag and Star. Think about that one.

Originally posted by boogiegk
A certificate of live birth, and a certification of live birth are two different things.

Really? Do go on.

Please elaborate.

What is the difference and could you include a source?

Originally posted by anon72
Lets face it. If Obama had any manness in him, he would call a press conference, hold the LONG form BC up high and then slap it down on the table for all the world to inspect. And then turn around and walk off the stage with arogance. I would. EAT THAT if-you-will.

Let's face it. If you had any "manness" in you, you would either prove your claim that he spent millions defending or hding anything to do with this or admit you are reporting lies.

I have a feeling we will not be seeing any examples from you of what "manness" is though since this is not the first time I am asking and we both know you already know you are wrong.

But, EVERYONE in here knows that won't and can't happen (you fill in the reasons here.....).

Ditto

I think it is evident from the small sampling here that people as a whole nation are not convinced.

A large sampling of America would show gullibility is quite rampant so be careful who you line up behind you.

Lastly, I did come up with a possible suggestion for the new ATS:

Anytime someone post more than 3 replys-their account automatically gives the OP thread a Flag and Star. Think about that one.

Someone is more worried about stars and flags than truth eh?

Good night everyone. Been fun with you all, (most).

Until the next piece of credible Birther info comes out, remember;

It all begins to turn around on November 3, 2010.

Nice to see the Conservatives won in Britian today. Another sign of the things to come. IMO

Originally posted by anon72
Good night everyone. Been fun with you all, (most).

Until the next piece of credible Birther info comes out, remember;

It all begins to turn around on November 3, 2010.

Nice to see the Conservatives won in Britian today. Another sign of the things to come. IMO

All the rest of you buying this nonsense feel free to explain to me why any of you want to believe things that have no proof. Explain why it is ok to repeat lies. Maybe explain it when Anon starts another thread and does this all over again as he has done before. You are all being duped and marching like fictional lemmings off a cliff into the big pool of whiny ignorance people like the OP are purposely making for you. Explain or wallow in it.

You can all see what choice the OP made.

How about the rest of you? Anyone have any proof of that claim? Anyone have the "manness" to admit it is a lie? Are you all just happy believing what you believe that wish facts would just stop bothering you?

Just more BS! If Obama was legit why hasn't he put all this to rest with releasing all his records, no question he's hiding something, it's called Fraud folks!

It's time to put it in perspective.
It's not about beating a dead horse, it's all about a turd that just won't freakin' flush!

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by boogiegk
A certificate of live birth, and a certification of live birth are two different things.

Really? Do go on.

Please elaborate.

What is the difference and could you include a source?

Obtaining a Record of Birth
You can replace a lost birth certificate by filing out the necessary form, which can be obtained from the online Vital Statistics Records from the state where you were born. Once the form is filled out, you can mail the document in along with the searching and processing fee. The copy of your birth record will be sent to you within a few weeks.

Considerations
For a certification of live birth document to be legal, it must be from a State Registrar with a stamp, seal and signed by a person commissioned by the government, preferably the registrar. While having a certificate of live birth is important, it is not proof alone of a person's identity. For identification purposes, a person must also have a government issued ID, social security number and a birth certificate.

Certificate of Live Birth Vs. Certification of Live Birth

[edit on 7/5/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Great thread. Although, no matter how much evidence there is to PROVE Obama is a legit American citizen, his enemies will believe otherwise. They need to hate him for something, so they choose this.


Star and Flag, friend. This should remain on the front page as long as possible.

Seriously now, obamas "enemies"?.. nah, it's not just dick cheneys cousin barack I don't trust or believe: it's all of those GOP/DNC dear party leaders... they're known to lie & obfuscate, deserve zero credibility and it's an undeniable fact this "news" about obamas birth place is factually retarded.

The Governor of Hawaii is quoted as saying obamas original '61 birth certificate reflects he was born in a hospital that didn't exist until '78..

Just how difficult is it to accurately remember a small bit of information he specifically asked for?

"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate"

Apparently the Gov sent his lackey on a special mission to specifically read a name off a piece of paper in order to stop this damn "birther" drama once and for all!!... only to completely F it up and name a hospital that didn't exist.. this is the level of competence government believers swear by?

Does it "prove" anything?, no.. it's a lie, foot in mouth, or just another dumb politician who can't articulate?.. who knows... but it's false, and it' makes politicians look hilariously stupid & inept.. comedy gold.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by boogiegk
A certificate of live birth, and a certification of live birth are two different things.

Really? Do go on.

Please elaborate.

What is the difference and could you include a source?

Obtaining a Record of Birth
You can replace a lost birth certificate by filing out the necessary form, which can be obtained from the online Vital Statistics Records from the state where you were born. Once the form is filled out, you can mail the document in along with the searching and processing fee. The copy of your birth record will be sent to you within a few weeks.

Considerations
For a certification of live birth document to be legal, it must be from a State Registrar with a stamp, seal and signed by a person commissioned by the government, preferably the registrar. While having a certificate of live birth is important, it is not proof alone of a person's identity. For identification purposes, a person must also have a government issued ID, social security number and a birth certificate.

Certificate of Live Birth Vs. Certification of Live Birth

You need to read your post all over again. You did not prove your point at all here. You seem to have proven some point but not the one I asked you about.

I find it funny how all of the "anti-birthers" are quick to label everyone who is not convinced into some category that they can bash/discredit. Just because I am not convinced does not mean I am racist and hate black people. It does not mean I am republican or conservative or right wing or a tea party member. It does not mean I believe or don't believe the 911 conspiracy or the JFK assassination conspiracy or anything else for that matter. It just means I am not sold on the Obama's birth place one way or the other.

My biggest issue, that no "anti-birther" seems to have a good rebuttal for is, why has he had his records sealed? If he has nothing to hide, why is he hiding stuff? You can argue that its private health records and what ever else you want. The fact remains that the other candidates did not hesitate.

Using the argument that he was elected by the majority is also not evidence that he was born anywhere. Bush stole the election twice. Not all of us are convinced our votes actually count or that the MSM would reliably report the polls. There is proof of corruption from the top to bottom of our government. Politicians lie, that is a given. Claiming that something is a fact because a politician said it, does not make it true. Also, when only given two bad choices, of course a bad choice is going to be made. That is part of our sham of a system. Just because Obama seemed like a better choice than McCain to people, does not mean he was the best choice. It just means he was the best choice given to you.

Telling people that do not like the way our government has been corrupted to leave is also a bad argument. It seems like an awfully childish thing to do to just throw up our hands and walk away because we are not happy. I personally would rather try and change the broken system. If you are tired of people not being convinced and hearing about it, you leave. (see how lame that sounds?)

You can call me a birther or whatever else you want. I am not hurt by name-calling, it merely shows that you do not have a better argument and had to stoop to a lower level.

I am not directing this post specifically at any one. If, however, you feel I was talking to you, I probably was.

Originally posted by idontKNOWanything
My biggest issue, that no "anti-birther" seems to have a good rebuttal for is, why has he had his records sealed? If he has nothing to hide, why is he hiding stuff? You can argue that its private health records and what ever else you want. The fact remains that the other candidates did not hesitate.

What records do you believe have been sealed that other presidents did not hesitate to release and could you provide sources?

So far, birthers have had a lot of trouble providing any sources for anything. Can you do better?

Also,

You can call me a birther or whatever else you want. I am not hurt by name-calling, it merely shows that you do not have a better argument and had to stoop to a lower level.

Can you explain why "birther" would be insulting to anyone? You refer to it as name calling which means something negative. No one has explained that yet either.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by K J Gunderson]

reply to post by K J Gunderson


To answer your question, compare the images you posted of Obama's Certification of Live Birth to this Certificate of Live Birth. That is the difference between the two. The Certificate provides more detailed information than the Certification does.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Jenna]

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Have you seen the cert claiming what hospital he was at? Right, you have not. Have you seen any of his college documents? Right, you have not.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489, his first one after being president.
www.freerepublic.com...


www.urbandictionary.com...
As far as the term "birther" goes, it implies the person being called that title actually does not believe Obama was born here. Also, many people use the term as a derogatory term. What they mean to imply by it is that the person is too thick to see proof right in front of their eyes or something. I have also seen/heard it used meaning the "birther" is nuts. Lastly, it is an unfair label since people who use it, do not typically know much about the person they call "birther". It is a way of trying to lump all the people who do not agree with a certain view point into one category.

Either way, I do not fall into that category simply because I do not presume to know either way. Anyone who claims they "know" he was born there, who was not actually there for the birth, is simply deluding themselves. The evidence is not finite in either respect.

edit to add urbandictionary link

[edit on 7-5-2010 by idontKNOWanything]

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by Son of Will
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Just curious, "what" exactly are you calling a lie? The claim that millions were spent on defense attorneys? Usually when you call someone a liar, it helps if you point out what you consider to be a lie...

[edit on 6-5-2010 by Son of Will]

Just curious why you do not just read the thread then?

Originally posted by anon72
reply to post by GovtFlu

 

Thats what I am saying. You just can't walk away from this one because it stinks of errors and deception.

Obama is making this worse by acting the way he is about it. Spending millions in atty fees for his defense. A little white lie has turned into a national Birther movement. Way to go Obama.

The lie is that he spent millions in defens of THIS TOPIC. When you ask someone a question, it helps if you read the context of what you are questioning.

I didn't intend to hurt your feelings. I was trying to help you form a logical statement, because you hadn't done so yet. "THIS TOPIC" refers to just that, this topic! It's a large topic with many claims. You never provided context of any kind, my friend. Hence the question. Thanks for (finally) making an actual statement, which can actually be answered or responded to.


[edit on 7-5-2010 by Son of Will]

reply to post by Jenna


Well then that furthers the argument does it not Jenna? If birthers refuse to believe a state verified short form birth certificate clearly showing that the president was born in Hawaii, what difference would it make with a state verified long form? Unless people intend to nitpick on other information listed.

In anycase showing the long form birth certificate will not end it for the birters, neither will it end the tonne of other conspiracies mounted about this president by the same individuals. Its a moot really.

I have no doubt there are a minority of people out there that would be satisfied once the long form is shown, but that will not end the conspiracy for most and it will not end the long list of other conspiracies.

Originally posted by idontKNOWanything
EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489, his first one after being president.

The same executive order that previous presidents such as Reagan and Bush Snr had done. So I'd assume they were also hiding their records?

Executive order was not regarding Obama's records specifically as Obama is already in his constitutional right not to release any further documents. This is where I fail to understand birthers over their arguments that he had to sign some 'executive order' or that he had to 'spend millions' to hide documents. Why would he need to do so if the constitution already protects that right for him to do so? I understand that you fellas already made your minds up that the president was born in Kenya but when you make an argument atleast try to make some sense.

www.urbandictionary.com...

Are you serious? Urban dictionary? You do know average individuals like you and I contribute to that website? You don't require any factchecking as it is a social definition dictionary. Why on earth would you use this as a reference? How insulting would it be if I referenced wikipedia for all my arguments?

I think Obama showing the LONG BC would go a LONG way to settling this issue(s).

Probably not everyone would be happy but in my opinion-he only needs to convince one. Me.

I can go to our state records office and get my BC in about 10 mins. I am sure he can also.

By-the-way, has anyone ever confirmed if there was even a fire at any state records holding facility? I bet it didn't happen. If they keep their records in any way like my state does, there are plenty of fire protection etc.

Guess I best start on that angle. I think I will put a call intothe HA Capitol Police. Do any of you have info on the alleged fire>

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Possibly. It depends on what's actually on the long form they have on record. If it says Hawaii and names a Hawaiian hospital as his birth place as is claimed, then yeah that would pretty much end it. Would there still be some who refused to believe it? Sure. I don't think they'd be in the majority though. On the other hand, if it names a hospital somewhere other than Hawaii and/or was filed late (Hawaii gives you up to a year to register a birth and apparently only requires the say-so of someone who knows the particulars), that would likely make the last two years seem like a walk in the park.



Edit: forgot a word

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Jenna]

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Haha, here you are again, trying to defend the indefensible.

NATURAL born citizen, not NATIVE born citizen.

There is a difference. The place of birth is irrelevant.