Mentally Incapped people and discrimination

reply to post by gallifreyan medic


I use the word not in a way to insult, just to clear that up

Why do you care what your tutors think of you?
You are the sole best judge of your own performance.
You know whether you did the best you could.
Whether others did better or worse doesn't matter.

Education is just social programming after all.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by blah2200

 

That is a very childish post, remember everyone!

If this guy doesn't like your opinion he will knock your teeth out!

You sound like a danger to society.

All i ask is for equality for everyone!

Well... You cant have it!!! there will always be ppl who are less fortunate then us.. U my friend are more of a danger to society then I will ever be. U have a sick sense of life where U treat everyone equally. Cmon not everyone in this world is up to ur caliber, stop judging ppl to your standards!!! That person who received the congratulatory praise, is a bigger person then u will ever be.. U will grow up and die, and he will be better then u will ever be, and u will be a bitter old fool who will die thinking he should have been praised when he was a child... Grow up before u die a bitter old man!

reply to post by blah2200


"U have a sick sense of life where you u treat everyone equally?"

What the hell does that mean!? I should treat the mentally incapped different to everyone else?

Originally posted by blah2200

Honestly if u came to me in real life with this gripe, and not bitched about it behind a computer screen, I would knock ur teeth out, u low piece of flesh!

I think those whom resort to violence because someone says something they do not like, are the real problem.

That is some hard core stuff right there man.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by blah2200

Honestly if u came to me in real life with this gripe, and not bitched about it behind a computer screen, I would knock ur teeth out, u low piece of flesh!

I think those whom resort to violence because someone says something they do not like, are the real problem.

That is some hard core stuff right there man.

Its like saying some 3rd grader drew a pretty picture, and I wrote a program that did squat, but the 2rd graders picture was pretty and my program did nothing, but I want praise cause his picture was pretty!! hahaha..... Ur a deush bag stop making excuses..... Build a bridge!

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by blah2200

 

"U have a sick sense of life where you u treat everyone equally?"

What the hell does that mean!? I should treat the mentally incapped different to everyone else?

Seriously grow up, learn that in this life some ppl do not choose who they r or who they become. Some ppl need help in life, some just pretend they do.... U are a pretender!

For one that has recently claimed to be at one with the Universe, you do seem to have issues with quite a few people in that Universe.

Originally posted by blah2200

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by blah2200

 

"U have a sick sense of life where you u treat everyone equally?"

What the hell does that mean!? I should treat the mentally incapped different to everyone else?

Seriously grow up, learn that in this life some ppl do not choose who they r or who they become. Some ppl need help in life, some just pretend they do.... U are a pretender!

Dude step back we have been invaded by a group of precocious socially inadequate right wing warhammer fanatics, we have no chance in our attempts to educate them, the Eternal Emperors holy soul defies our logic in their quest for a pure humanity.

I actually work in a college and I have say the the pessimist in me says that this is probably because they get more money from the education authority for people with physical or mental disabilities, whereas you are just a drain on resources. At level 3 (NVQ?), I would presume you are over 18 and so they get even less money for you than a 16-18 student.

If you tell me exactly what course you're on and your age, I can tell you exactly how much you are financially worth to them. There is also a general trend across the country at the moment for poor success rates at Level 3 Quals and as we are nearing the end of the accademic year, they will be pushing harder for results, as poor performance this year, means less funding next year. It all comes down to money. Colleges are businesses, even our state run ones.

Also the fact that they expect less from someone with a mental disability (although from the high capability levels displayed by this person, I would suggest possible Asperger's Syndrome, rather than full blown Autism).

reply to post by blah2200

I am sure you go to a large University with thousands of ppl attending this institution, studying numerous subjects!!!!

The term "College" in the UK does not mean the same as in America. We have High School, College, then University. Colleges are for transitional, higher education from School to Uni (kinda like US Senior High) and for adult education of technical and vocational skills, such as Business Admin, Auto Repair, adult literacy etc.

Most colleges are usually smaller buildings with a few hundred students.

[edit on 6-5-2010 by nik1halo]

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

Yes i agree, it is an acheivement, i have a friend who came from Bangladesh, he cant speak English very well, but because he hasnt got a mental disability he is treated like he should be able to do the work, his work was marked and he failed his test, the tutor didnt offer any support, it was along the lines of " It's just rubbish" he was then asked to give an explanation as to why he didnt do it right!
He was clearly distressed and i felt so sorry for him.

But i can guarantee if he had a form of mental disability he would have been given a pat on the back for a good try.

It just so wrong.

BZZZZZ... Wrong!

There are plenty of support structures in place in higher education for people who cannot speak English very well, they are called ESOL (English Speaking for Other Languages) courses. Course work and exam papers can be requested in translated format (certainly in Bangladeshi) and anyone enroling on a course would automatically be referred to the ESOL team if it was found that there was a language barrier.

Originally posted by gallifreyan medic

Getting praise for crap work,would be retarded,wouldn't you say?
Not a word I like but seems to be yours.

[edit on 6/5/10 by gallifreyan medic]

If you are a medic, as your name suggests, surely you should know that the word Retarded is a scientifically and medically accepted term. To be "mentally retarded" or "mental retardation" are commonly used.

The title "retard", however is not nice.

A good professional Tutor will offer constructive criticism and gently guide you in the right direction... Not off the cuff negativity, which will only frustrate you. The guy sounds like a total mug...

However, i also feel that maybe you should take some time out and do a bit of research into the different types of Autism... To think that people with Autism should (and can) be treated the same as everyone else is naive at best!!

You have to except that, due to the guys condition, he will need to be treated differently and sometimes that treatment may seem preferential. Just except it, that’s what being a real man is about!!!
Excepting that, sometimes in life, you will have to put the pregnant woman first, or give extra care to the old person, or take a step back when someone with mental health issues needs your Computer Terminal!!

With regards to your tutor... Man up... pull him to one side and tell him face to face that his comments are affecting you... he may not even realise that he is doing it!

Sorry if it seems a little strong... just my advice... I wish you all the best with the course and hope the Tutor recognises your potential!

Sure, you may of worked hard to achieve what you have achieved, but in the end you obviously are not skilled enough to get praise. If you are receiving such criticism from your superiors.

Now maybe if you were doing the same thing the autistic man were doing, at the same MENTAL level, then I am sure you would get the exact amount of praise.

It is obvious that you crave the attention, even though as you state, the teachers said your work was not up to standard. Lets praise the boy who still can't get it right!!

My compassion for disabled people succeeding in mundane, day to day tasks, is exponential.

egads, this thread is depressing. i just realized the only reason people star any of my posts is because they think i'm an idiot and are just trying to encourage me.

Hi, Haydn. You have a point, but this is a multifaceted issue & you need to be aware of the entire thing, or you will be bound to take it personally every time, when it really isn't.

I'm sure that you are trying your absolute best. I'm not sure what year of school you're in or how close to graduating you are, but the closer you get to the end, the more stress & tension will build since you're so tired of trying to please the same teachers who never seem to have anything good to say. Besides, it's not like you're getting a raise or anything. You're tired & things are getting mundane for you & you're simply wanting the people you're trying to please to give you a pat on the back. It's OK. Everyone feels that way, but understand the other side of the coin.

I used to teach reading to 9th grade students. Most of them were on medication & considered by administration & guidance to be lower-level achievers, troubled, lazy, or simply needed to be trained to learn how to reach their potential. I'm not saying this is you, but the students I worked with were the exact median between you & the autistic student.

To get to my point, some of my students had special case files that gave the teachers EXACT instructions on how these students were to be treated, whether or not they got extra time on tests/exams, how often they were allowed to get up out of their chairs during class time, if they could eat food in class, what to do if they started acting up, etc. These instructions were VERY specific & had to be followed to the letter. A good third of my students had files like this & it was so hard to remember each students' specifications, but if you forgot & told a child to sit back down when he/she got out of his/her chair & began wandering around the classroom, the student would be quick to remind you, then go home & tell mom/dad/guardian that you were being mean by disrespecting their disability, the next day ~ TSHTF! These teachers are under immense pressure by the administration, parents, & school psychologists to treat these students with extra tender loving care. The autistic student in your class is at a advantage & disadvantage at the same time. He has a legitimate disability, but I can admire his parents for wanting him to be in a class with non-disabled students. Everyone wants to feel normal & accepted. I hope you can see that this is a multi-dimensional issue & I do feel for the teachers, too.

You have every right to be patted on the back & complimented for hard work & dedication. I always made it a point to compliment my students. Not everyone got treated like a little star every day, but they each got their turn when they deserved it or when I could sense that they were having a bad day & needed a little extra attention to feel special. We all need that on an unusually rough day. We need to be reassured & reminded that tomorrow will be a better day & most things are just temporary.

I do have some advice specifically for you though, if you'll accept it. I also specialize in handwriting analysis & there's a treament called graphotherapy. I noticed that you always refer to yourself in the lower case i. This is an indication that you do suffer from low self-esteem. If you would make a conscious effort to Make your pronoun i as a capital, you will retrain your brain to see yourself as being more important.

Think of it this way:
On my math test, i scored a 97%. =
Compared to:
On my math test, I scored a 97%! =

You are saying that you are all important, bold, solid, & worthy! I hope you consider my advice & give it a try. It's worth it ~ I promise. Also, please remember that for the remainder of your life, it's going to be YOU who is going to have to be congratulating yourself most of time, but that's OK because we should always be our own best friend.
Take care & best wishes!

Well. My opinion is that you may have wound up with a tutor who has some issues themselves. From your description, it sounds like s/he is going from one extreme to the other, but I'm not sure if that is your perception of the situation or the way it really is.
Your tutor is human. S/he may be overcompensating for her sympathy (or discomfort/ inexperience/ insecurity) toward your autistic classmate and, as others have said, expect more of you- or merely feel you don't need (or require/ whatever) that extra encouragement because you are just a regular person. S/he might be really surprised by your reaction & be very sorry that s/he hurt your feelings or made you feel slighted.
Or s/he could be an insensitive jerk & an ahole. It's impossible to know not having been there. OR that could just be his/ her usual style- "tough". (this could be a good explanation because they would be thinking it is inappropriate to deal with someone challenged in their usual tough way- being unaccustomed, they bent over backward & that would stand out to you)

If you aren't being overly sensitive to your tutor's behavior, all anyone (in your situation) can really do is buck up & do the best you can, get through the class and hope you have better luck with the next one. (if this is a college level class & you can choose your instructor, ask around who is good & who is not)
This is not a wasted experience. When you go on to the working world, your odds of having to work with people having similar personalities are pretty high- narcissists, etc.
This is a good time (in school) to figure out how to cope gracefully with that. It's easier to adapt in life than it is to expect others to be what you want them to be (within reason).
Best of luck. You can do anything you are big enough to do. That is a fact.

maybe your teacher thinks tough love will make you better.maybe the handycaped guy get treated like a child because thats his mental level. mabey he/she is just an a$$ of a teacher. who knows?

reply to post by Haydn_17


Then by all means let me be the First to heap mountains of PRAISE on your head!!

Only a self absorbed imbecile would call someone who is mentally challenged "RETARDED."

I have come across some shallow individuals in my life, but you are in a class by yourself!

Are you that starved for attention that you must compete with someone who struggles and will struggle everyday for the rest of their life?

I tell you what, I'll go ask my 13 year old Autistic son if he will trade places with you, guess what? I bet he won't. Forget the praise, he wouldn't want to be you because you have no heart and he would see through you in a "New York minute".

So do us all a favor, get a life and grow up!!


Pax