SWAT kills two dogs in front of children during a house raid over a marijuana posession.

reply to post by rcwj1975


So, they had enough actionable intel to obtain a search warrant for a nighttime raid and didn't factor in the suspect having dogs or drugs, or a family living there for that matter? If drugs are involved, doesn't that automatically equal some K9 support? If dogs are involved, does that equal K9 support? I don't know. I'm asking. You say its different every time. Executing a warrant, that is.

The judge who authorized the warrant should be on the hook, as well as all officers involved, also the CI, probably the chief of police too, for allowing what will become a PR nightmare for their incompetence.

Another question that hasn't been brought up yet is, why is there a cameraman included with the team? And how on earth did this get on youtube? This can't be staged because its too FUBARed.

If you can bring the A/V guy in riot gear, why not bring the dogs? Don't reply with the predictable answer (we never know...) please. Have you ever seen dogs play or fight with each other? Pit bulls usually max out at 60#, german shepherds max at around 90#, and are known for their viciousness.

A pitbull can be brought down in seconds and put into place if you don't panic. If they bite, you can choke them in no time. Not so easy with german shepherds. I'd be more worried about the latter. Or a lab, or a st bernard, or great dane.

Homework wasn't done and those fake commandos all deserve to pay. Especially the one who filmed it all and said nothing. Then again, he may be the whistleblower. It is sickening, to say the least.

Ok i watched the video and i can honetsly say that my stomach hurts now. I WAS going to go to bed after a smoke and a breif visit to my favorite site, but I dont think ill be going to bed for a while now.

These cops went on nothing but HEARSAY and look what happened. A child WAS endangered and a beloved family pet has to be buried in the back yard now. I want to vomit.

I could totally understand if this whole thing were about cocane, meth, crack or any other DEADLY drug, but marijuana? Really? A drug that has never killed anyone? The only reason that it causes things like this to happen is because TPTB cant make money off of it. Way to protect and serve there. Im truly astonished. Marijuana? WTF is this country coming to?

They will NEVER stop drugs from being on the streets. NEVER! Im am so proud that my tax dollars go to fight an unwunnable war. (well three i guess. lol) It sounds to me that someone needs to get their head out of that crusty, smelly browneye.

MessOnTheFED!

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!


These cops went on nothing but HEARSAY and look what happened. A child WAS endangered and a beloved family pet has to be buried in the back yard now. I want to vomit.


MessOnTheFED!

YES! If you take it that way, (the they never know thing) that kid could have snuck out of bed and been playing with the pitbull, or trying to get the dog back into bed with him so he wouldn't get yelled at, AND GOT SHOT, for keeping his dog quiet, like you train your dog to be. Who's safety is more important? The ones minding their own business or the ones making it their business? Ever hear that one before?

BTW, watching that video, all commands seemed very incoherent to me. They may have made sense to the team, but in all reality he was either stoned or asleep. Maybe he thought it was one of his buddies playing a prank.

I think if they planned an investigation and encountered him at work while serving a warrant, that would be slightly better for all involved. Especially since its immortalized on the web.

Everyone on this board wants proof. Yet, they defend a SWAT that had no proof other than a warrant to search. Maybe it was just an episode of World's Dumbest Criminals that totally backfired. "What we have here, is a failure to communicate, some people you just can't reach."~GHWB

reply to post by CanadianDream420


this is pathetic..

absolutely a waste of time...

L.E.A.P.

at least there are some officers who know the answer..

Originally posted by dfens
So, they had enough actionable intel to obtain a search warrant for a nighttime raid and didn't factor in the suspect having dogs or drugs, or a family living there for that matter?

Yes they need, unless the magistrate judge in that area is an idiot, enough cause or reason to have a judge sign off on a search warrant. Especially one being executed by SWAT where the door is authorized to be kicked in. So again, I wasn't there, I am not from there, so I have NO IDEA what kind of CI or UC they used, no idea how their judges are, etc....but I would hope they knew about the dogs before the raid, knew how many/who all lived in the house or who would be there when they hit it....and yes I sure as hell would hope the REASON for the warrant..i.e. drugs is included as a factor.

If drugs are involved, doesn't that automatically equal some K9 support? If dogs are involved, does that equal K9 support? I don't know. I'm asking. You say its different every time. Executing a warrant, that is.

No, not always. Sometimes having a K9 on scene can make things worse, but sometimes they are valuable. Circumstances will dictate, and again I don't know the full circumstances of this case.

The judge who authorized the warrant should be on the hook, as well as all officers involved, also the CI, probably the chief of police too, for allowing what will become a PR nightmare for their incompetence.

Again this all depends on HOW they got their information. If its a CI then it could be ugly, if its a UC then they are screwed, but yes a judge (atleast at the magistrate level) will be in a bad way if this search warrant was signed without cause or reason....unless it was a bad warrant from the officers. Again, so many things involved that speculating just isn't worth it at this point.

Another question that hasn't been brought up yet is, why is there a cameraman included with the team? And how on earth did this get on youtube? This can't be staged because its too FUBARed.

We film SOME raids, depending on circumstances, so its not uncommon. As for how it got out...it was definitly "leaked" at this point. These films DO become public record after the trials etc....and a simple FOIA request can get you a copy....I know some of ours have been requested by the suspects AFTER they got out of jail....not sure why but hey, its his right to have a copy.

If you can bring the A/V guy in riot gear, why not bring the dogs? Don't reply with the predictable answer (we never know...) please. Have you ever seen dogs play or fight with each other? Pit bulls usually max out at 60#, german shepherds max at around 90#, and are known for their viciousness.

Well a K9 shepard is never over 75lbs....if he/she is then the dog will not perform very well...thats to heavy. Again, K9's are used at times and not at others. As I mentioned, the execution of a search warrant or arrest warrant can be approached from SOOOO many directions, with SOOOO many options (depending on all circumstances involved) that its impossible to answer why on this incident without seeing the complete OP order from their briefing.

A pitbull can be brought down in seconds and put into place if you don't panic. If they bite, you can choke them in no time. Not so easy with german shepherds. I'd be more worried about the latter. Or a lab, or a st bernard, or great dane.

All well and good if you have time and aren't also dealing with possibly armed suspects. Like I said the one we shot last year had to be shot...no doubts, but again, EVERY situation is different.

Homework wasn't done and those fake commandos all deserve to pay. Especially the one who filmed it all and said nothing. Then again, he may be the whistleblower. It is sickening, to say the least.

I agree it seems like they didn't do a good job getting things in motion quick enough OR all their intel sucks and they need to reevaluate how they do things.

As a Christian, I’m supposed to respect authority but lately I am really finding it hard.

I’m an animal lover. If I was one of those cops I would have found it hard to shoot a dog unless he was already clamped down on me. I would take a dog bite first before I shot a dog.

I hope the guy sues and wins.

If they would legalize herb all the hypocrite alcoholics would have to get off their high horses. Alcohol kills more people than herb.

reply to post by ChrisF231


Then legalize marijuana and the police would not have to create dangerous situations like this. Ooooor, they could do actual police work and learn who this guy is, if he has pets, children, guns or drugs at all. There are many ways of getting around these situations. Like……. Legalizing it and detective work.

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
reply to post by CanadianDream420

 

Don't be mad at the Cops , for doing their job... Be mad at the guys buddy that dime'd him out. It's obvious they got bad intel from a CI. You don't know what sort of intel was passed , you don't know if the guy is alone , if he has weapons , if has has buddies with weapons. when you make entry into a house the last thing on your mind is the welfare of the family pet. Once It's cleared , THEN you can worry about those things. I know PLENTY of guys that had to put dogs down because , douchebag drug dealers keep them in the house ,you know why they're there?... so when you make entry THEY BITE YOU!!!!

So I guess the guy that's dealing out of his house with his kids there isn't at fault huh?... And you even call for someone to get fired?!? C'mon!...lol

It's really simple , unless you have X-Ray vision , YOU DON'T KNOW what's in a house before you enter it , and things happen REALLY fast. It sucks that the guys dog got double tapped but sometimes $*** happens.

The cops should NOT have breached that house to begin with. I don't care if the have a witness swearing on a stack of bibles.....without proper investigation, they should not have been there. PERIOD.

lol ,to the charing officers ,
i hope they get sued,
sloppiest work ive seen in a long time and

most countries where ive lived in , getting busted for cannabis is the equalient of getting a parking ticket or speeding ticket if its even concidered a criminal act, nothing you execute a dog for infront of children

besides the money they have to spend on this circus including therapy for the children is bad entropy in it self ,

Originally posted by rcwj1975



You answered most my questions very well, thank you.

My point is that a pitbull is not the most dangerous dog out there and is easy to handle. They run away before they attack. Don't be fooled by that feeding them gunpowder trick that only drug dealers use, which has already been supposed on this thread.

Swat should have had plenty of time to react being that they had the upper hand. Throughout the entire incident. Yet that seemed very unprofessional. I think eventually the will be quietly shifted away and just a settlement will be offered.

If anything, this just reinforces strongly held beliefs from personal bad experiences from lots of people. Thats most likely why this isn't on cnn or fox.

Money really doesn't need to change hands, the offenders just need to fess up and pay.

Then they become irrelevant like they try to make you. Maybe take their licenses away. Print a felony false imprisonment. Attempted kidnapping. Terroristic threats. Hate Crimes. Armed Robbery. Disorderly conduct. Even if you are legal, 'they' still need to imprison you in order to determine that, and usually they con you in to floating a loan to them to do so. It turns into paying them to get your stuff back, because it turns into evidence?

Sorry it turned into a rant, but this kind of knowledge should be well known. Witnessed by .. 'Anything you say, can, and will be used against you'.

Again!

this is so sad.

I don't know if it's been brought up but it resembles this verry much
en.wikipedia.org...


botched drug raid, on the mayor.
you can read the wiki yourself, but after the mayor got 2 independent investigations the pricks shot he's dog's in the back, they were running away.

Pigs... Dirty, filthy pigs.
As much as I respect the cops in my community and commend them for doing their jobs... it honestly seems like their is more corruption in police forces than there is that of gangs..
But these were swat, so it okay? right?
get a hold of your self, any one and I mean ANY GOD DAMN SONG OF B!+ch that kills any thing locked in a cage is disgraceful.
That dog did nothing, nor could it have done anything.
Do you honestly blame a dog for barking when someone forced entry into its territory...I have to disagree with the folks who are saying he should have been able to call of the dog..
Its not the dogs fault he knew damn right those pieces of bacon didnt belong in his house.
War on drugs is stupid...The intel for these cops was clearly the one on drugs.
The next one I light is for these dogs.
RIP
Death to war on drugs.

Wow all these evil heartless goons would have done a great job for hitler during
Kristallnacht ...



source : en.wikipedia.org...

Hitlers goons smashed doors in, arrested people, murdered people,incarcerated / concentration camp people....But don't lay responsibility on those Nazi police and soldiers cause they were just good old boys doing their hard job !

Yes Its Totally different.....But....then again Its Totally the same.

Its that weird thing that happens when humans have absolute power and they lose their very soul. Sad thing is....that most all of them don't realize It until It's too late.
By this time they will fight you tooth and nail defending themselves and all their buddies.....covering up their own crimes while arresting people for others...such hypocrisy.

Many of my friends are police, but they are young and just getting started these last few years,,, I often wonder how long will it be before they too are so freaking Jaded and Ingrained with that Us vs Them brutal mentality that most police have....and don't give me that crap about a few bad apples ...that's bull# ! ..The whole systems needs reformed from scratch...

Just because some pit bulls are abused by their owners and trained to attack law enforcement doesn't give you a right to shoot them all. They should enforce a strict policy of engaging dogs only if they're actually agressive and have the training to tell the difference between normal dog behaviour and aggressive one. Why they don't they do that? Because they're lazy, don't care, don't wan't to 'risk' the team by committing members to keep the dogs off?
Btw, barking at a stranger in the masters house is quite normal for many dogs. Actual aggressive behaviour involves some teeth etc.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals

I don't want to hear this "they were just doing there job crap". It didn't work at Nuremburg and it won't fly now.

THIS!

As an owner of dogs and someone who has participated in the breeding, showing and selling of several various breeds, I find this action by the police absolutely disgraceful. Why? I shall tell you as simply as possible using pictures:

This type of dog I know to be dangerous and they should be kept locked up tight to prevent them attacking people.....

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But seriously, who in their right mind would consider this dog as being even remotely dangerous......

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???????

thats all I can really say to this. Makes me sick, and knowing they will get away with it and most likely get pats on the back from colleagues just turns my gut...

Im with those who say they'd go spare if this happened to one of their loved pets... 100%

reply to post by CanadianDream420


Isn't killing a police dog the same as killing a human police officer?

So maybe if you cage it (the cop I mean) first you can get around the law......but seriously, this is no laughing matter...

I hope people realize...that the Government legally sells you drugs which are FAR worse than weed will ever be for you...alcohol is one example...however, how would you feel if a SWAT team busted into your house and killed your dogs because they suspected you were in possession of a s#!t load of alcohol...it wouldn't feel very nice would it? Yet you people think it's perfectly fine to invade peoples homes and kill their pets because you suspect they've got some freaking weed?!?!?!?!?!?!? Get a grip you God damn psychopaths...

Leave me alone, get out of my head, get your hands off me!!!! Just joking...I haven't gone insane...but stuff like this will slowly get me there...

[edit on 6/5/10 by CHA0S]

Bigger problem is the drug war. I'm just saying. I don't like seeing dogs killed but they are sending policemen into homes to stop weed. C'mon people, aren't we past this. Every person in the U.S. right now needs to stand up and demand that weed be taken off the schedule 1 list or whatever its called.

Sorry but my dog would have behaved in the same manner and hes normaly quite calm,but if someone was kicking my door-in in the middle of the night he would go nuts/barking etc,i am truly shocked by this my dog isnt just my dog hes my friend,hes part of my family,it would be like shooting one of my children,and as for breeds yes some are easier to train for violence but were those dogs trained to hurt people?as i said my dog would react in the same way and i in no way teach him to be violent,theres a big difference between barking and biting, to the guy who said they would take a bite before they shot a dog-i fully support that statement



regards to all