Michelle Obama: Barack Obama Is “Kenyan”

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Hint here: How small is zero?
That is the percentage of natives in Antarctica.
Please tell me who the natives are in England.
Or France, Australia.

LOL. You really are going to go as far out of your way to miss this point as possible aren't you?

If you go to France, what is the majority heritage? How about England? How about Austrailia? How about Antartica? Please explain to me when they suddenly became made up of a vastly diverse group of people from all over the world. I am especially interested to hear when this happened in Antarctica.

I said that I felt sorry for Gundies family, if he has one.

Maybe I shouldn't they may be trolls too.

Can't debate with those that bypass, invent and lie.

reply to post by K J Gunderson
You may feel hungry soon.
If you don't understand this, it will come to you soon.

Originally posted by butcherguy
I said that I felt sorry for Gundies family, if he has one.

Maybe I shouldn't they may be trolls too.

Can't debate with those that bypass, invent and lie.

What did I bypass?

What did I invent?

What did I lie about?

Either you have answers or the trolling is clearly done by you.

You would not make accusations you can not back up would you?

reply to post by K J Gunderson
Bypassed this question.
-See you don't answer questions, because you can't.

Who are the natives on the British Isles?



[edit on 6-5-2010 by butcherguy]

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Bypassed this question.
-See you don't answer questions, because you can't.

Who are the natives on the British Isles?



[edit on 6-5-2010 by butcherguy]

Ummm...why would I address something you answered twice already for me? It did not matter what I was going to say, you already gave the only answer you wanted so..you know. I did not bypass it, it was already answered for you.

Originally posted by butcherguy

You don't understand the fact that mankind evolved in Africa?
Sorry, maybe too much for you to digest, or maybe you want to set a point in time where emigrating from ones home country counts?

We all come from the same place is the point!

We are all in the majority.

and

Only just about every country in every continent on the earth, with the exception of the African continent.
That my learned person is where all of our ancestors came from, specifically Kenya, I believe.

So, what did I invent?

What did I lie about?

reply to post by butcherguy


You are completely arguing the wrong point anyway. Go back and read what I said again. I am talking about a place that is made up of people from SO MANY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS. I am not talking about any place that is made up of people all from Africa or anywhere else. I could care less if it is the moon and was colonized yesterday. If it was not colonized by vast amounts of DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE it has nothing to do with what I said.

Go back and read and see if you can make a real cogent argument to what I ACTUALLY SAID.

reply to post by LucidDreamer85


Who refers to their spouse as being from another country if they're talking about ancestry? I suppose it's possible, but it's not a normal occurrence by any stretch. This isn't the first video of her calling him Kenyan either. If she means Kenyan descent, she did a very good job of confusing the two without correcting herself. It would be more believable to me had she said part Kenyan, son of a Kenyan, of Kenyan ancestry, of Kenyan descent, or any variation of one of those.

Like I said before though, this isn't absolute proof that he actually was born in Kenya. It certainly does help confuse the issue though.

butcherguy--

For the record, I've never been taught that it was rude to question someones heritage. Money, sexual preference, age--sure. However, in my experienec people have always been proud of their heritage, and if you show an interest in where they come from they generally take pleasure in talking to you about it. I'm afraid you've got it backwards. Rude to question where someone is from? Talk about American ignorance...


gwydionblack--

Your arguments have no backbone. All you do is babble about how there is so much strong evidence that President Obama is a Kenyan. Why don't you take your STRONG court case and sue the United States. You can use all your YouTube videos and reliable websites as evidence, good luck


"Birthers" are by far the most hilarious conspiracy nuts.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Let me first supply you with the knowledge that the United States and the Constitution are built around law. Common law and natural law. If there is no law, there is no United States. It holds ground and merit in every conversation or event in our lives whether it be outside of the court of within it.

If you understand that, then you would understand that you don't need a court case for someone to give "testimony". While the first definition of testimony is indeed a statement under oath, it can also apply to the second definition of the word:

testimony -n- 2. evidence in support of a fact or statement; proof. OR 3. open declaration or profession

I believe Michelle Obama has, twice now (correct me if I am wrong) called Barrack Obama, HER HUSBAND, our President "Kenyan". She has never said decent, ancestor, ect in her statements. Therefore, it is her "testimony" that is providing evidence. Is it damning evidence? NO. And I never said it was. I simply stated that it brought even more clutter to the table.

You are lying because you have seen enough around here to know what you are saying has been debunked fully. You just refuse to admit that.

A. I don't lie. Ever.

B. I haven't seen ANYTHING from either side that has PROVEN anything. For or against his birth in Hawaii. HOWEVER - what I have seen is about even evidence supporting either side.

I think the one that is refusing to admit something is you - who refuses to admit even the slightest possibility that he was born in Kenya - like it is some trick of the mind or something that is impossible to be done. But then I remember back to those who didn't believe the Earth was round, and killed people because they thought of the possibilities. It kind of reminds me of you.

I accused you of trolling for... going from thread to thread repeating lies that are fully debunked.

What is fully debunked to you might take a lot more for a skeptic like myself. There are people around here that would be quick to tell me that Christianity has been fully debunked - but that doesn't mean everything needs to remove the possibility from their minds. This "grand" evidence you speak of I still haven't seen. Like I said - and easily forge-able live birth certificate that doesn't have all the information, is hardly PROOF of anything. If a Kenyan birth certificate of the same status surfaced, I would propose the same argument. Now if a long form Kenyan birth certificate surfaced, with hospital and doctor's signature as well as the other necessary information - then THAT would be evidence capable of proof.

Lest I forget about the other "damning" evidence against the birthers - "The Hawaii officials said so." Replace "Hawaii officials" with any other random group and you have this grand evidence of believing only in words. Forgive me for holding more merit in the words of the man's OWN WIFE then of random people that could have easily been paid off or misled themselves.

I can prove it is real but NO ONE EVEN ASKED ME TO.

I'm asking you now. Go ahead. Prove it.

If not, you are not comparing the same thing. You are also asserting the lie that a short form is not valid when I know you have been shown it is. EVERY STATE IN THE UNION RECOGNIZES SHORT FORM BC from states that issue them.

No, I'm not comparing the same thing. I am comparing a short form birth certificate, which is shown in the case of our President, and the long form birth certificate that is filled out and SIGNED by the presiding doctor at birth of a child. I am able to obtain a short form BC if I wanted to, however, at home right now - I happen to have a long form BC, with my doctor's signature as well as a plethora of other information on it. As far as I am aware, all states require this and if it gets lost... well allow me to be the first to say - How convenient.

I can prove that too but hey, why prove things - you never do.

I haven't been asked to prove anything either. IN FACT, I have repeatedly said that there is an absense of proof on either side. Yet here you are claiming that I have made statements as facts without proof. How many times do I have to say that I am open to the possibilities, and take all points of evidence into account - and regardless of whether you want to accept it or not - this video, any other video with similar wording, on either side of the debate - IS EVIDENCE.

I am not a person who will ever say "Obama was born in Kenya" because I DON'T FRELLING KNOW - and neither do you or anyone else. If you would stop being so arrogant and ignorant, you would realize that the birther movement isn't a bane on society - it is a SEARCH FOR TRUTH. But you, just like most others, have been brainwashed to ignore truth and stick with the official statements.

I asked them to prove their claims about Michelle. I am not asking people to prove negatives, you just want to frame it that way because you have no facts, proof, evidence, or logic behind your agument and that is why you will be repeating this crap in another thread very soon, just like you have been doing.

Wait... prove claims about Michelle? Are you blind? Deaf? Dumb? What is there to prove. THEY ARE HER WORDS - TWICE. "KENYAN" how hard is this to understand? What more proof do you want? Do you want a voice analysis? Oh I get it, you want us to ask her what she meant. Yes, because someone who might be covering for someone is going to tell the TRUTH. When are you going to start using your head once?

As far as me "repeating this crap in another thread very soon" perhaps you don't understand me quite so well. I have posted in a grand total of 2... let's count that 1...2... birther threads prior to this one, with this being my third. Feel free to go and look at my statements in those topics as well, where I clearly state that I am not FOR nor AGAINST the birther movement, but I will always be adamantly for TRUTH. Anyone who hinders the progress of truth for the "greater good" or because they feel it "isn't worth it" or its a "dead topic" then they are my enemy. You have proven quite clearly that your closed minded rhetoric has no room for truth seeking, so you would much rather take the other route "agenda pushing". Getting others to believe the same as you is always much easier than accepting truth or scope outside of your norm and admitting to yourself that you may just be wrong.





reply to post by ProUSA

Your arguments have no backbone.

You mean my opened mind to possibilities? I could understand how someone might believe that, but I have no arguments of my own on the birther subject. However, on the subject of closed minded thought crushers - I state my opinion quite vehemently because people like that hinder any real progress.

All you do is babble about how there is so much strong evidence that President Obama is a Kenyan.

You must read from the same book as Gunderson. After all, I've only said it in every one of my posts in this topic and others I have posted in that "THERE IS NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROVE EITHER SIDE". Of course I can see how you take it as "strong evidence that he is Kenyan" ... oh wait... no, I can't.

Lastly, you are here, on a conspiracy website - and you are calling your fellows "conspiracy nuts". Instead of working towards the greater truth, you instead choose to demonize a particular group because you do not agree with them - and in turn you demonize the entirety of conspiracy theorists in the public eye. This leads me to believe that you don't give a damn about TRUTH and could care less about the birther situation even if it were to swing one way.

*sigh*

Please deny ignorance.

personally, I would love it if it turned out Obama was Kenyan. It would set a precedent which in turn would allow Arnold Schwarzenegger to become president.

And I've loved that idea since I saw the movie Demolition Man!

reply to post by gwydionblack


I have to say, I try to stay out of the birther arguments. I have tried to keep my eye on the ball so to speak.

It seems like the more this subject gets ridden, the more it gets obfuscational. I initially thought, this has to be bunk. BUT, the more I delve into the topic, the more I wonder.

My question for the anti birthers is this, WHAT IF?

I think this should be asked. What if it is true, or more to the point, what happens if this is proven to be fact?

I HATE the what if scenario. This is the tenet that people argue about Glenn Beck with. He states possibilities and asks people to argue the merits of his postulations. Some would argue that is his whole venue or postulates.

I see their argument. BUT, what the hell would happen if this turned out to be true? This could DESTROY our country and this could destroy the world. The US of A is the mortar that holds the blocks together. Could this be the reasoning behind the meetings in the beginning of his presidency? Where he came back ashen faced?

Anyway, I too tried to stay out of this situational discussion. BUT, holy crap, this could tear us apart.

reply to post by gwydionblack


Let me quote you, Mr. I never claim one way or the other blah blah blah...

"And if you fail to see that then you are the ones that make me smile because you are the ignorant ones; the ones who would choose to deliberately go against "deny ignorance" and instead fashion your own explanations and excuses - even if they do go against all logical evidence and reality."


Yeah, you don't have a biased opinion at all

Lastly, I'm on a conspiracy website because I like reading about educated ideas that members have on here. I'm not on here to read silly conspiracies that have not a shred of NON-SUBJECTIVE evidence to their cause. To me, the "birthers" are nothing more than people that are making something out of nothing. There is NO LEGITIMATE proof AT ALL on President Obama being born in Kenya. It's all speculation and subjective on how you interpret written or spoken words. So, don't tell me to deny ignorance when you're defending the "birthers" STRONG EVIDENCE of YouTube videos and their oh-so-talented ability to skew rhetoric in their favor.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Let me first supply you with the knowledge that the United States and the Constitution are built around law. Common law and natural law. If there is no law, there is no United States. It holds ground and merit in every conversation or event in our lives whether it be outside of the court of within it.

If you understand that, then you would understand that you don't need a court case for someone to give "testimony". While the first definition of testimony is indeed a statement under oath, it can also apply to the second definition of the word:

testimony -n- 2. evidence in support of a fact or statement; proof. OR 3. open declaration or profession

I believe Michelle Obama has, twice now (correct me if I am wrong) called Barrack Obama, HER HUSBAND, our President "Kenyan". She has never said decent, ancestor, ect in her statements. Therefore, it is her "testimony" that is providing evidence. Is it damning evidence? NO. And I never said it was. I simply stated that it brought even more clutter to the table.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Hearsay is rarely heard in court. Secondly, if they tried to use Michelle's words as "testimony" it would quickly be shown that she was not under oath and could have been lying, joking, or taken out of context. I am not sure where you learned about law but I hope for your sake, you neve need a good defense. What you call "testimony" would get laughed out of any court.

A. I don't lie. Ever.

Yes you do, you are doing it in this thread.

B. I haven't seen ANYTHING from either side that has PROVEN anything. For or against his birth in Hawaii. HOWEVER - what I have seen is about even evidence supporting either side.

Yes you have. Kinda Kurious has shown it all to you. You refuse to accept it but you have seen it and unfortunately, you are not the person who gets to decide whether or not it is actually proof.

I think the one that is refusing to admit something is you - who refuses to admit even the slightest possibility that he was born in Kenya - like it is some trick of the mind or something that is impossible to be done. But then I remember back to those who didn't believe the Earth was round, and killed people because they thought of the possibilities. It kind of reminds me of you.

I never said it was not possible. Can you quote me saying that? What I am saying is that there is plenty of proof he was born in Hawaii and NO PROOF AT ALL that he was born in Kenya. Is it possible people are born in Kenya? I hear it happens all the time so I can buy the premise. Unfortunately I have seen all the evidence and have no reason to entertain that fantasy.

What is fully debunked to you might take a lot more for a skeptic like myself. There are people around here that would be quick to tell me that Christianity has been fully debunked - but that doesn't mean everything needs to remove the possibility from their minds. This "grand" evidence you speak of I still haven't seen. Like I said - and easily forge-able live birth certificate that doesn't have all the information, is hardly PROOF of anything. If a Kenyan birth certificate of the same status surfaced, I would propose the same argument. Now if a long form Kenyan birth certificate surfaced, with hospital and doctor's signature as well as the other necessary information - then THAT would be evidence capable of proof.

This is different and you know it is. If you were really just being skeptical, you would still be arguing in those other threads against the proof presented to you. That is not what you do. You are in one of these birther threads, you repeat a lie. Someone proves you wrong and you move on to a new thread and just say it again.

You know how dishonest that is. If you really had legitimate doubts, you would articulate them and present your view. Instead you just start all over back at the beginning just like anon is doing.

Lest I forget about the other "damning" evidence against the birthers - "The Hawaii officials said so." Replace "Hawaii officials" with any other random group and you have this grand evidence of believing only in words. Forgive me for holding more merit in the words of the man's OWN WIFE then of random people that could have easily been paid off or misled themselves.

I have never once said the only reason I believe this is because they said so. That just happens to be one more piece of the mountain of evidence you refuse to accept.

I'm asking you now. Go ahead. Prove it.

Come to NY and I will be happy to take you down to the department of health and social services with the BC I have posted online and we can have the officials there show you what one should look like compared to mine as well as show you why mine is real. U2U me when you are ready and I will be happy to meet with you.

If you were really interested in the truth, you could very easily find out what New York State birth certificates should look like and compare.

No, I'm not comparing the same thing. I am comparing a short form birth certificate, which is shown in the case of our President, and the long form birth certificate that is filled out and SIGNED by the presiding doctor at birth of a child. I am able to obtain a short form BC if I wanted to, however, at home right now - I happen to have a long form BC, with my doctor's signature as well as a plethora of other information on it. As far as I am aware, all states require this and if it gets lost... well allow me to be the first to say - How convenient.

You are wrong. Many states do not issue a long form any more so it would be hard for any states to make that a requirement. My short form NY BC has been valid for 20 something years and is recognized by other states, the federal government, as well as a foreign country. Look what you said "as far as I am aware." That is a lie because you have been shown that is not the case. Nothing you can do will prove otherwise. You simply choose to ignore facts when they are given to you. You might be aware of that but that is only because you are ignorant and wrong. I have seen you shown where that is not true and yet here you are repeating it with nothing to back it up.

You even state that you can get a short form but have your long form. What state are you in? If you lose your long form can you get a new long form? I cannot. You can easily find out that my state and Hawaii will not issue a long form copy. What do you think the short form is?

What are you talking about being convenient? Do you really think people do not lose their BCs?

I haven't been asked to prove anything either. IN FACT, I have repeatedly said that there is an absense of proof on either side. Yet here you are claiming that I have made statements as facts without proof. How many times do I have to say that I am open to the possibilities, and take all points of evidence into account - and regardless of whether you want to accept it or not - this video, any other video with similar wording, on either side of the debate - IS EVIDENCE.

You have been presented plenty of proof. You dismiss it without backing up why you dismiss it. You must believe something since you cannot even admit you have been shown the proof I have seen you dismiss. There is no proof I do not have a dragon in my garage either so I guess you will be trolling threads telling people that they should understand how real the possibility of my dragon is? Or does this type of "logic" only apply to Obama?

I am not a person who will ever say "Obama was born in Kenya" because I DON'T FRELLING KNOW - and neither do you or anyone else. If you would stop being so arrogant and ignorant, you would realize that the birther movement isn't a bane on society - it is a SEARCH FOR TRUTH. But you, just like most others, have been brainwashed to ignore truth and stick with the official statements.

Actually, I do know and have no problem saying it. If you think I am wrong, then feel free to say so.

Wait... prove claims about Michelle? Are you blind? Deaf? Dumb? What is there to prove. THEY ARE HER WORDS - TWICE. "KENYAN" how hard is this to understand? What more proof do you want? Do you want a voice analysis? Oh I get it, you want us to ask her what she meant. Yes, because someone who might be covering for someone is going to tell the TRUTH. When are you going to start using your head once?

Um, have you been paying attention? They need to prove she MEANT what they claim she MEANT. I know what her words were and to me they sound no different than "Kiss me, I'm Irish" but for some reason no one can explain the huge influx of illegal Irish immigrants in March. Can you?

As far as me "repeating this crap in another thread very soon" perhaps you don't understand me quite so well. I have posted in a grand total of 2... let's count that 1...2... birther threads prior to this one, with this being my third. Feel free to go and look at my statements in those topics as well, where I clearly state that I am not FOR nor AGAINST the birther movement, but I will always be adamantly for TRUTH. Anyone who hinders the progress of truth for the "greater good" or because they feel it "isn't worth it" or its a "dead topic" then they are my enemy. You have proven quite clearly that your closed minded rhetoric has no room for truth seeking, so you would much rather take the other route "agenda pushing". Getting others to believe the same as you is always much easier than accepting truth or scope outside of your norm and admitting to yourself that you may just be wrong.

LOL. So your defense that you have not repeated the same lies on the same topic is that this is only the third time you did it?

Someone needs to explain this article to me.

Italians, blame the 'guidos' on MTV's 'Jersey Shore' - not the network

These "Italians" are American Citizens and many of them appear to not be first generation either.

A small beach town on the Jersey Shore is embarrassed. It really wants the world to know that it's not proud, not at all, of the MTV show named for it. So on Monday, the Borough of Seaside Heights felt compelled to announce that it "did not solicit, promote or participate in the filming" of the trash-tastic reality show.

It's the latest bit of silly handwringing in the name of Italian-American pride. But we Italians shouldn't be mad at MTV over "Jersey Shore." We should be grateful for the network for performing a public service.

Is it becoming clear yet?

wrong thread... Oops.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Jenna]

I for one still think that there are questions about his birthplace. That said I also think that it does nothing but help Obama at this point to perpetuate it. Unless there is irrefutable evidence to the contrary he was born in Hawaii and this battle is just lost.

Its too easy now for them to tag you as a " birther " and your instantly marginalized.

The funny thing about this thread is that nobody is disputing the thread title! It is agreed by everyone that she did in fact say her husband is Kenyan. The disagreement seems to be with the interpretation of what she meant. Most people have admitted that it is not concrete proof that he was born in another country. But do you really not think it is strange the way it was used in this context? It seems I am not the only member who feels it is.

[edit on 7/5/2010 by Dark Ghost]

reply to post by ProUSA


This quote stated my allegiance to one side - how again?

My quote was not biased whatsoever. I simply stated that even though Michelle Obama clearly says "Kenyan", people are coming up with excuses to defend Obama on the situation. That alone is fine - but when you come up with these excuses and automatically BELIEVE them over any other explanation - you are simply feeding your own logic and the beliefs you already have. It was made quite clear in this topic that regardless of the possibilities, people have already made up excuses and actually believe them regardless of proof.


reply to post by K J Gunderson

You have no clue what you are talking about.

You just pick and choose what you want to here. Did you not see my definitions I posted or are you just going to conveniently disregard them? I said I was NOT referring to testimony in court and I won't say it again. If words no longer how value to you in this world, then why are you even bothering to type? Why even speak? No, because in your world words only hold value when you want them too - and can be dismissed at will as well.

All words you say can, and I have seen it happen, be used against persons in a court of law.

Yes you do, you are doing it in this thread.

Please provide me with an example of these lies and am spewing. As a matter of fact - feel free to scan all my previous posts and topics and find one lie that you can prove. You only prove your ignorance more and more by mistaking "lies" with "opinions".

Kinda Kurious has shown it all to you.

Oh... OH! That's funny because this information I'm claiming to have been shown is not on my history. Why could that be? Oh yes, because Kinda Kurious has been one of only two members to meet my ignore list and has been there for months. Therefore, anything that may have been posted contrary to what I know, I didn't know and therefore I can't be held responsible.

What I am saying is that there is plenty of proof he was born in Hawaii

Here you go again saying there is plenty of proof, but when the burden is placed on you the ONLY thing you keep going back to is the short form birth certificate and official statements. Please, if there is plenty of proof then surely you can provide something more then the obvious things I have listed now... for the fourth time. Feel free whenever you stumble upon this payload of information, to make it public.

and NO PROOF AT ALL that he was born in Kenya.

Besides a family lineage traced back to Kenya and several statements from people both close to Barack Obama and people far from him that state he is "Kenyan" as well as quite a few articles from the past that refer to him as "Kenyan born". What exactly makes your sources more credible then these and what was said that makes their word mean so much more than the people who provide these statements as well?

If you were really just being skeptical, you would still be arguing in those other threads against the proof presented to you.

Like I said, I'm not big on the whole birther movement. You seem to believe otherwise. My arguments are the fight for logic, not for birthplace. There are plenty of people fighting over the later for me to get involved as well.

you repeat a lie. Someone proves you wrong and you move on to a new thread and just say it again.

Sometimes I will repeat information, on both sides of the table. However, I have yet for someone to prove something of mine wrong and if one of my statements in this topic is indeed wrong - and you can provide proof that it is (real proof mind you) then I will gladly retract my statement and take it out of my arsenal. However, you should find that my posts so far have been objectionable towards neither side. You take me to be a birther because I attack the logic and close mindedness of the anti-birthers but I assure you, if there was an anti-birther topic in which birthers came in and denied some clear piece of evidence or made up excuses to fit their agendas, I would be on their case about it as well.

You really don't understand my position do you? It is quite simply if you would actually open your eyes and quit looking at the scenario in black and white.

That just happens to be one more piece of the mountain of evidence you refuse to accept.

There again you refer to "mountain of evidence". Do please surmount some of this evidence with exception to the BC and statements.





As far as the whole birth certificate issue is concerned - hospitals are required to keep them on record and the doctor is REQUIRED TO SIGN IT - yes in EVERY state. There is no reason whatsoever that such a document, with the doctor's signature should not exist SOMEWHERE on record or on file.

Actually, I do know and have no problem saying it. If you think I am wrong, then feel free to say so.

Your ignorance is only overshadowed by your arrogance. Everyone - look here. This guy knows for a fact. He has all the evidence that everyone else is looking for. Thank goodness all our problems are solved.

This is worthy for sure. Above this quote you stated:

I never said it was not possible. Can you quote me saying that?

Oh, so you believe that there is a possibility - but you KNOW that you are right, huh? Which one is it? Obviously I'm right on one of the fronts but it can't be both. Therefore, I believe the one caught in a lie is... *gasp* you.

As for whether or not I think you are wrong, the answer is yes. I do think you are wrong. Not on the birther issue, but on your arrogant nature believing that YOU have all the answers and your closed mind towards the possibilities of you being wrong.

So your defense that you have not repeated the same lies on the same topic is that this is only the third time you did it?

As I said, provide me with these lies of mind and I will admit my wrongdoing. However, the only one that has been caught in a lie in this topic is you. I don't take it lightly. I abhor liers to no end, and if it becomes a habit of me catching you in lies, the ignore list will await.






As far as the video is concerned - she said he was "Kenyan". Nobody - not birthers nor anti-birthers can prove what context she said it in. The only fact is that she said it - and she said it twice with no clear clarification in her wording. To me, this sends up red flags and deserves to be questioned. Anyone who can dismiss it and lighter than that can only have one thing said about them - they are close minded and pushing for their agenda over truth in the matter. Just because birthers cannot prove that she meant "Kenyan born" does not automatically mean that she meant the other way. This logic seems to be pretty prevalent on both sides of the aisle and honestly, if anything is going to be accomplished it needs to stop.

If people continue to do it, then yeah - you can expect me there if I see it, because I'm not going to keep my mouth shut on the issue.

Originally posted by ProUSA
butcherguy--
Rude to question where someone is from? Talk about American ignorance.

Yes.
You would want to claim that you are tolerant, right?

I was raised to believe that a person's ancestry is not relevant to what you should think of that person as a human being.

You call my beliefs ignorant. It is a part of my heritage, it doesn't hurt anyone, this thing idea of being polite.

Is that your idea of tolerance?