Michelle Obama: Barack Obama Is “Kenyan”

I was born in Queens NY but I consider myself German.

What's your point? Do you honestly think that the president being Kenyan has anything to do with him being born there?

The U.S is filled with millions of African Americans. How many of them were born in Africa?

This being the best the birthers can come up with should definitely put an end to this veiled Klan movement.

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True, Johnson was impeached and so was Clinton..., for his johnson

I take here words to MEAN that he was born there, just my opinion.
On the other hand they would be smart enough to know that if he really were born in Kenya that you would not advertise the fact.
So all I can say is WHO KNOWS? - Obama and nobody else apparently

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
On the other hand they would be smart enough to know that if he really were born in Kenya that you would not advertise the fact.

If he were born there and she was admitting that in the video, he may not have decided to run for president at that point. Natural born status doesn't matter when it comes to other elected officials, so it would only have become an issue for her to mention it after he decided to run for president. Assuming of course that she was actually admitting it.

Man that video is fuzzy and very muffled. I don't even think that's Michelle Obama. I think the whole thing is staged and you "birthers" are just running out of avenues to pursue...

Wait a minute. I'm a birther. Ok guys fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. this is twice now that evidence has surfaced of Michelle Obama referring to her husband (Our President) Barack Hussein Obama as being Kenyan (this example) or his homeland being Kenya (the former example). At what point do we finally say the jig is up. Birth certificate, difficult to say, Social Security, not a reputable source, but now his wife has not once but twice referred to him being of Kenyan descent. This is not about inappropriate behavior this is about at best gross oversight or at worst deception.

For those that came late:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Natural born citizen explained:

When asked to define natural born citizen, John Bingham, the author of the 14th ammendment which extended the bill of rights to former slaves, stated, "Any human born to parents who are US citizens and are under no other jurisdiction or authority." The Naturalization Act of 1790, also passed by this congress, declared "And the children of citizens of the US shall be considered as natural born, provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident of the US." Neither of these definitions, one from US law, mentions birthplace, only the parents' citizenship.

This concept of citizenship by blood as opposed to citizenship by geography is a concept with a long history in British common law. A law passed in 1677 says that natural born citizens are those persons born to British citizens, including those born overseas. Alexander Porter wrote an article over 100 years ago in which he declares that the framers drew upon this difference in the law of heredity and territorial allegiance to define a third class of citizen applicable only to the eligibility to hold the office of president. According to Morse, "the framers thought it wise to provide that the president should at least be the child of citizens owing allegiance only to the US at the time of birth." He goes on to say that the the eligibility of the president "was scarcely intended to bar the children of American citizens, whether born at sea or in foreign territory."

The concept of citizenship by blood also precludes the equation of natural born with native born as the latter strictly demands geographical requirements.

Many argue that Barack Obama was eligible to be a state senator and a US senator and could not suddenly be ineligible to be president, but that is exactly the case. If this premise were true, Arnold Schwarzenegger, governor of California, would also be eligible to be president, and it is established that he is not.

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Originally posted by spinalremain
I was born in Queens NY but I consider myself German.

What's your point? Do you honestly think that the president being Kenyan has anything to do with him being born there?

The U.S is filled with millions of African Americans. How many of them were born in Africa?

This being the best the birthers can come up with should definitely put an end to this veiled Klan movement.

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Care to tell us why you go around and tell your friends, family, and strangers on the internet that you are German, when you were born in NY? Just curious.

No tapes apparently exist of John McCains relatives referring to him as a Panamanian.
He was born there.

If there was such a tape, the Obamanians would have put it out for public consumption.

My guess would be that there is no tape, because I seriously doubt that his family refers to him as 'Panamanian' even though that is his place of birth.

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Now that argument could be used either way.

Which one were you using it for? May I ask?

Gave you a star by the way for the logical inference.

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I am on your side, pushed the friend button a long while ago on you.
You are correct that the point could be used both ways, mine was to the fact that most Americans call themselves just that, American!

I am shocked by the number of people that don't cherish their freedom any more, and I do not feel that any US President since JFK has had our best interests at heart.

BTW- I followed that change of signature that you did, that was a good one.

Seems to me that we have pased the point of logcal inference endisnighe... Logical inference would conclude that Obama is likely a Kenyan national, born in Kenya. The evidence continues to pike up, though not yet perhaps beyond a reasonable doubt, yet! However, anyone willing to use their critical thinking faculties would HAVE to embrace that there is a reasonable doubt about his being a Natural Born Citizen of the United States.

I personally believe that he is inelligble to hold the position of POTUS and will continue to insist that he open his records.

Originally posted by ventian

Originally posted by spinalremain
I was born in Queens NY but I consider myself German.

What's your point? Do you honestly think that the president being Kenyan has anything to do with him being born there?

The U.S is filled with millions of African Americans. How many of them were born in Africa?

This being the best the birthers can come up with should definitely put an end to this veiled Klan movement.

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Care to tell us why you go around and tell your friends, family, and strangers on the internet that you are German, when you were born in NY? Just curious.

Actually I don't do that, but when asked by people what my lineage is, I tell them German. That is my lineage. Being an American is a given considering English is my first language and I am a New Yorker. That's how Americans classify themselves. All Americans have blood from somewhere else. Our president is no different.
Ie......Kennedy was an Irish president. No one ever questioned his citizenship when he openly stated he was Irish.

What is it about American's having classified themselves from their ancestors do you not understand? Are you not aware of your lineage and jealous or something?

There's a clear difference in me saying "I am German" or the president saying "I am Kenyan", and saying "I was born in Germany or I was born in Kenya". If you can find a Google video of the American president saying that he was born in Kenya then you have something. As of now though, all you have are angry ppl misinterpreting and cherrypicking general statements to fit their own agenda. In the U.S., declaring your genetic lineage has absolutely nothing to do with where you were born. It never has.


Here's an example so you can understand how Americans interact.

Man A gets a new job
Man B learns of his name and meets him
Man B- "nice to meet you, Sal Trapezio. Hey you're Italian, me too."
Man A-"Yeah I'm Italian, nice to meet you"

Nowhere in the above conversation was it ever assumed that man A was born in Italy. This is how Americans interact because we all have lineage from elsewhere (unless you're Apache......)
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Originally posted by ventian
Care to tell us why you go around and tell your friends, family, and strangers on the internet that you are German, when you were born in NY? Just curious.

Probably the same reason people like me who were born in NY say they are German, Irish, and English.

I find it hard to believe this many people have never referred to themselves in terms of their heritage and not actual bithplace.

Did you people not ask each other "what are you" as kids? Everyone I know did. We were all different. There was the Vietnamese girl, the Laotian boys, the Russian girl, etc. We were all born in America. This was just the way people talk. Apparently that just magically all went away?

How many "Kiss me I'm Irish" pins do you see on St. Patty's day? Are they only for people born in Ireland or usually proudly worn by Americans of Irish heritage?

What about all the proud Italian families I know? They love talking about how Italian they are. They were born here. Where do birthers come from that this is such a foreign concept?

"Jersey Shore" caused a stir because "it gave Italians a bad name." No one on the show was from Italy and none of the people complaining about being maligned were from Italy. They were all Americans but they called themselves Italian.

Do you all live in a cave?

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He has an understanding of this. I can guarantee that if he's American, he has indeed told someone that he's Italian, German, Thai..... at some point in his life. He is just being purposely ignorant to suit his birther needs.

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My great-grandfather was from Holland. If I were visiting Holland, I would introduce myself as an American, not as Dutch.

How would you introduce yourself?

Originally posted by butcherguy
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My great-grandfather was from Holland. If I were visiting Holland, I would introduce myself as an American, not as Dutch.

How would you introduce yourself?

So would I! Because at that point you're not on American soil, where it's a given where you're an American citizen. Your argument fails.




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Originally posted by butcherguy
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My great-grandfather was from Holland. If I were visiting Holland, I would introduce myself as an American, not as Dutch.

How would you introduce yourself?

So if you went to Holland and asked where you were from, that would be the same as giving a speach in your home country about your heritage?

I doubt I will be in Holland being asked to introduce myself but I would just use my name for introductions. If someone asked what I was, I would say English, German, and Irish. If they asked where I was from, I would probably tell these Dutch people I was from the US.

Have any other totally different scenarios with different circumstances and made up nonquestions to compare this with?

reply to post by spinalremain
Yes!
If Obama is Kenyan, wouldn't his wife introduce him as such when she is on American soil?

Understandable if you feel this is not strong proof that Obama may have been born elsewhere. But to those of you implying that Michelle's use of the "Kenyan" instead of "American" in this video is not odd, well I don't agree. (Context wise, surely you can see why some might find it worthy of scrutiny?)

Edit: for clarity.

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Being asked in a foreign land what you are implies where you're a citizen. Being asked in the U.S what you are implies what your heritage is. Because the U.S is a special instance and different from every other nation in that all Americans have lineage going back to somewhere else.

When in Germany I am indeedan American because that's where I was born and where I'm a citizen. In the U.S I am a German American because I have German heritage, or simply, German. In the U.S it is not custom to tell you're a natural born American German. It's understood unless otherwise specified.

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Did someone ask Michelle Obama to cover the point of what country her husband was from?

She volunteered the information. And she, for as intelligent as she is, did not qualify the statement, as in.. Barack is of Kenyan descent.

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Edit for Dark Ghost understanding the context of American communication now. That your heritage in the U.S. is frequently how we classify ourselves to others when asked "What are you?"

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