Sissification of a nation

Originally posted by Mobius1974
reply to post by daskakik

 

Just ignoring it ..CAN NOT be an option. If its broken we need to fix it. People using our govt. programs without paying into it, is awfull. Lets relate it to a office party lottery pool.
If the office pool gets a winning #... Only those who participated get to bask in the winnings.

In your OP you state "What is the problem with getting legal entrance into the USA?"

It has been my 1st and 2nd hand experience, stories from people who have tried and have been denied, that it isn't that easy.

Prionace glauca's experience seems to be completely different.

I just find it hard to believe that there are millions of illegal immigrants in the US that payed hundreds or thousands of dollars to be smuggled in when all they had to do has fill out a form, take a physical and pass a back-ground check.

Now what ever the reason the problem is there and you are correct it can't be ignored. I don't think amnesty as you proposed a few posts up is really an answer.

First step is securing the border. Without that anything else is a waste of time.

As to this all being part of the TPTB's plan check out this thread.

The Pentagon does have a plan to deal with Mexico "NORCOM"

It kinda answers the "Why don't we just _____________? in regards th immigration.

reply to post by daskakik


It really isn't that hard to believe. If someone would have helped them in their own country fill out the proper paperwork then they wouldn't have had been part of the mess we are now going to clean up.

I really wonder how many non-corrupt individuals are in these countries where these illegals come from, and how much of an advantage they take of these individuals trying to get into the US legally.

Illegals should take their fight back home and spend all of the energy getting their own government to crack down on corruption, than to bitch & moan about wanting to stay in our country Illegally.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by prionace glauca]

Originally posted by prionace glauca
reply to post by daskakik
Illegals should take their fight back home and spend all of the energy getting their own government to crack down on corruption, than to bitch & moan about wanting to stay in our country Illegaly.

Once upon a time, revolting was you and your buddies with your muskets and pitchforks against a trained bunch of farm boys with muskets and swords and coordination.

Today, revolting, is some people with some guns against people with the ability to wipe out every livingn thing in the area for a hundred years.

Your measurement stick for "cracking down" on corruption needs to be updated by about 300 years.

reply to post by Aeons


I would suggest that you also forward yourself about 300years to the modern era and the use of technology to forward one's cause to the entire world. How else were you able to live the plight of Iranians admist all the havoc the dictatorship was causing in that country. You see those people in IRAN didn't have guns, if they did the dictatorship wouldn't have lasted.

Everyone and their mama has a communication device and the ablitity to reach millions through that communication device. These Illegals bitch and moan along with their cohorts about wanting to stay here ILLEGALLY, use that bitching and moaning in the country where you came from. See how far you can get, and I believe through perseverance you will attain the attention of the world to your cause in wanting to reform your state of Mexico or where ever you came from.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by prionace glauca]

Originally posted by prionace glauca
reply to post by Aeons

 

I would suggest that you also forward yourself about 300years to the modern era and the use of technology to forward one's cause to the entire world. How else were you able to live the plight of Iranians admist all the havoc the dictatorship was causing in that country.

Everyone and their mama has a communication device and the ablitity to reach millions through that communication device. Now go put your energy to good use.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

when the people controlling the swords give a crap what the pen is writing and what those reading it think.

You see images every week about atrocities being commited. Yet, there it is still happening regardless of word and the camera.

When you see what the powerful in Ethopia do to their people, you think they care about the populations COMPLAINTS?

reply to post by Aeons


I don't think my point is getting acrossed or you are on a tanget course that I can't catch up with.

Mexico might be a lawless country in certain areas because of the drug lords, but really it has a functioning government which its local populace can partake in and change it to their liking. Take a stand instead of whimpering. Me and my countrymen are standing for our country because it is slipping away from its foundation. The problem is with the politicians who sell us out and the criminals who break our laws. Nationally this November is going to be Vote a Traitor out MONTH.

I stilll don't understand what part of the word ILLEGAL one can not comprehend. Come here legally and problem solved, if you are here ILLEGALLY how can you even try to change the debate around and try to paint individuals who want to defend the laws as bigots/racists.

Pen has always been mightier than the sword. Our Constitution is a prime example of that. The holy books of various religions are examples of that.

The Mexico government, isn't.

There is another government, and it is the drug lords. And they act as lords, and they enforce their own laws, and the compete and win in their areas of interest against the so-called Mexican government.

Try as you might, the rest of the World isn't going to disappear because you find it so intractable.

Originally posted by prionace glauca
reply to post by daskakik

 

Illegals should take their fight back home and spend all of the energy getting their own government to crack down on corruption, than to bitch & moan about wanting to stay in our country Illegally.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by prionace glauca]

I see this idea said over and over. I don't know what country you are from but in most latin american countries the corruption of our governments usually takes the form of our politicians taking bribes from more powerful nations so these nations could have access to our resources or votes on issues in the UN and yes there are protests and voicing of the peoples opposition.

Things really are not that bad here for most of the population. Wages are fine, healthcare and education need to be worked on but they are better than 10 years ago. The notion that the "drug wars" are tearing these places apart are exaggerated.

The people who go to the states illegaly are un or under educated and generally poor or just after that american dream.

Knew this dumb kid, middle class, who was dying to go to the states. He had this car that he was always messing with. Trying to "pimp it". I asked him why he wanted to go to the states. His family lived well enough. He said "hell no this place stinks, but when I get my visa I'm gonna go work in the US and buy me a Ferrari."

Never got his visa but he sold his car to get the money to get into the states. That was more than a few years ago and haven't heard anything about him since. Somehow I doubt he ever got that Ferrari.

reply to post by daskakik


To be totally honest.. I dont care if it's hard to get.. If it's to hard.. dont come. We HAVE to have rules. We have 10 to 20% of america not paying taxes but using our programs. UNACCEPTABLE. This is why we need reform.. Im no expert... but there has to be a way to make it easier.. But at the same time if there is a way to do it legally.. Those that do it illegally need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. My family came from Ireland. It took 2 years... But because they were law abiding citizens.. they did the right thing and waited.

reply to post by Oneolddude


Rebel is the probably one of the nicer terms used to describe someone who supports legal immigration. If you oppose illegal immigrants, which I do, then u are usually labeled a racist, nazi, bigot, blah blah blah! Its absolutely galling!!! Do it right or stay out. Its right there in the name!!! Its called ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!

Originally posted by Mobius1974
reply to post by daskakik

 

To be totally honest.. I dont care if it's hard to get.. If it's to hard.. dont come. We HAVE to have rules. We have 10 to 20% of america not paying taxes but using our programs. UNACCEPTABLE. This is why we need reform.. Im no expert... but there has to be a way to make it easier.. But at the same time if there is a way to do it legally.. Those that do it illegally need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. My family came from Ireland. It took 2 years... But because they were law abiding citizens.. they did the right thing and waited.

I don't disagree with you but if it is hard to get in legally but easy to get in illegaly you end up with the present situation.

You need to make it impossible to get in illegaly and the legal immigration suited to whatever fits the needs of the nation.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by daskakik]

reply to post by Mobius1974


Got some spam email not long ago from a family member that had similar information to this post, only it was not as detailed.

I like the title, it reminds me of the title of the book im going to write some day called "The Neutered Nation".

The idiotification of America has already been done. So we're going for the sissification, and it is inevitable you dumhos. You can stfu if you don't like it.

US VISA policy ... long long story.
My personal experience with US consulate at Czech Republic is:
If you are male, single, at productive age, without fat bank account or (good) official employer, than you'll have hard times at consulate.
It doesn't matter if you work for one company for 12 years, because you can't prove it. It doesn't matter that you never ever asked any state institution for help (you are responsible person and till this time you managed all your troubles by self).
It doesn't matter that you have cash for your trip - only HISTORY of bank account count.
And if you manage to get (touristic) VISA (it had changed bit but principle is same) you can be still returned at US airport by some moron immigration officer.
It is short story of my planned 2 month hiking trip to Rocky Mountains.

Thanks. US is not friendly destination for tourists.

Just to complete the bank account issue: when money arrive at my account, I pay my bills via interbank transfer and rest of the money I demand as cash - immediately. That is, why my bank account is for 10 years near 0.

Originally posted by Exv8densez
"Sissyfication"! OMG too funny!

You might have tried "Pussyfication" instead but that would be a whole other story!
Sorry, your title make the thread a humoristic attempt.

Does the title suggest women equal sissies and so on?

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by prionace glauca
reply to post by daskakik

 

I think you are not telling the entire truth. Was your daughter sick? Was she immunized? I think you are leaving out details that would warrant the denial.

My niece is coming from my home country next month with her family on visitor's visa. She and her family applied 6months ago.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by prionace glauca]

No need to lie. She was a 2 year old with a clean bill of health. I have known of many people who are denied a visa or who seem to have to wait years to get their green card.

I do know that there is a preference system and maybe you and your family just fit it better. Better education and enough proof of financial stability as to not become a burden on the state.



[edit on 5-5-2010 by daskakik]

What exactly is wrong with a country--any country--wanting to determine that an immigrant won't be a burden to their society? As an individual, do you not decide who comes in and out of your home? You also have the right to ask people to remove their shoes upon entry or not to smoke in your house. If visitors do not want to remove their shoes or cannot refrain from smoking while they visit, then they can simply go somewhere else.

And why would you ask visitors to either remove their shoes or not to smoke in your home? Maybe because they could be a burden to you--they could either track in dirt that you would have to clean; or their smoking could leave an odor in your home that you do not want. And you have this right because it is your home, after all.

I don't see immigration into a foreign country as much different: if you want to come in, you follow the rules of the house. If you don't want to follow those rules, then you find a different house to visit. I don't see anything racist or unjust, or even cruel about this. Even if it's raining and the visitor is cold, you still have the right to let them know they can come in as long as they remove their shoes and don't smoke. If the visitor cannot agree to these terms, then they have the right to knock on a different door. It really is that simple, in my opinion.

As a final note, I want to clarify that I'm not implying that immigrants are either dirty or stinky--I was just using common examples.

reply to post by aboveandbeyond


Wow.... What a stretch!!!! I find it pathetic what people will try and turn something into. No it is not!!!! I am saying our govt. and the people complaining about the immigration bill are a bunch of spinless politically correct sissys. But if you want to make my title mean---- I hope babies in alaska grow 3 legs... That would be equally ridiculous!

reply to post by Atomic Honey


Not sure if it's uncool to reply to my own post, but I just thought of something to add:

What we're currently doing in the United States (at least on the Federal level, anyway) is saying "Yes, you can come in, as long as you take your shoes off and don't smoke in our house" (all referring to my previous post). The problem is, the visitor is not removing his shoes; then he pushes us out of the way, walks on in and lights up a cigarette. If we dare remind him that he has broken the rules of the house and needs to leave then he brings in the ACLU or some greedy attorney and attempts to sue us and take over our house. And since we have a bunch of pantywaists for leaders, we eventually end up saying "Fine, go ahead and leave your shoes on and smoke. Have a seat, make yourself at home; I'm going to the kitchen now--do you need anything? Thank you for not suing us.

reply to post by Mobius1974


You seem to forget that the money all these illegals cost us is wayyy more then they would ever pay in taxes. On top of that, they would mostly be low income families so they would get their tax money back at the end of the year anyway. And on top of that, a lot of them DON'T WORK and we would be paying for them to be on welfare, just like we do now. So how would making them legal help at all? That is not a ligit argument, nice try though.

reply to post by daskakik


Just an FYI....
The reason it takes so long to legally get here from certain countries is because of all the ILLEGALS we have here. If we didn't have to deal with all the law breaking people coming over our borders, then the ones who want to abide by the law wouldn't have such a hard time. Cause and effect my friend.