Sissification of a nation

I do not understand why this county is split on the immigration issue. What is the problem with getting legal entrance into the USA? Do it right or don't do it! We are far to lenient when it comes to immigration. Take a look at some immigration laws from around the planet. I am not saying we should immulate their approach but maybe ours are not so bad.

6-MONTH DETENTION
Italy
What the law does: the Italian government has instituted various measures aimed at curbing immigration. One of the harshest, passed by parliament in 2009, penalizes illegal immigrants with a fine of €5,000-10,000 and allows immigration officials to detain them for up to 6 months.

THE "BLACK SHEEP" LAW
Switzerland
What the law does: Switzerland's uneasy relationship with its Muslim immigrant population became very public in recent years The referendum that resulted in a ban on mosque minarets in 2009. The law would allow the Swiss government to immediately deport all convicted criminals from other countries and -- depending on which specific provisions of the bill pass -- potentially their family members.

MANDATORY DETENTION
Australia
What the law does: Despite its anything-goes image, Australia has a surprisingly draconian immigration policy. And none of the country's various immigration laws is more controversial than the Migration Reform Act of 1992 and its subsequent amendments, which collectively require the authorities to detain all non-citizens who are discovered in Australia without a valid visa. Between 1999 and 2003, the law was used to detain more than 2,000 child refugees from Southeast Asia and the Middle East who were seeking asylum in Australia.

THE "NIKKEI" LAW
Japan
What the law does: The most infamous of Tokyo's new anti-immigration policies is the "Nikkei" Law. Passed in spring 2009, the law allows the Japanese government to pay $3,000 to each unemployed Latin American immigrant of Japanese descent (known as Nikkei in Japanese) and $2,000 to each of that unemployed worker's family members to return to their country of origin. The catch? These workers and their family members would be prohibited from ever returning to work in Japan. An estimated 366,000 Brazilians and Peruvians lived in Japan at the time.

DUBAI-STYLE HOSPITALITY
United Arab Emirates

What the law does: One of the toughest provisions in Emirati immigration law is the prohibition of foreigners from engaging in any sort of labor union-like activity. As a result, living conditions are often harsh, including 80-hour work weeks, back-breaking manual labor, and below-minimum-wage pay. It's not atypical for immigrants to live in pre-fabricated huts, 12 men to a room, forced to wash themselves in filthy brown water and cook in kitchens next to overflowing toilets."

Mass Exitus
IRAN
More than 70,000 Afghans who were in Iran illegally have been deported during the past month, according to the UN, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s government plans to deport one million more by March.


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Edit: Title.

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"Sissyfication"! OMG too funny!
You might have tried "Pussyfication" instead but that would be a whole other story!
Sorry, your title make the thread a humoristic attempt.

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I thought I would have it flagged and removed it I typed that. Believe me it pained me to switch from pussification to sissyfication. Do you think they would remove it if I switched it back?

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Ok..lets see where it goes

I was attracted to your title due to my enormous affection for all things dealing with pussy. Cat's are some my dearest freinds. I was hoping that you were refering to an increasing love of the feline about the commonwealth. I was a tad bit disappointed. What this being a conversation regarding immigration. .303 the whole bloody lot of them! Nothing like an ole Enfield to put a cheaky bastard down in the sod! If yeh know my meaning? Forget about the ruddy immigrants! Whole bunch of bolderdash if you ask me! Scallywags and truants! Truancy from the very idea as to what it is to be an Engishman. A proper Englishman! Now on to the pussy my good gentleman. Onto the glourios feline. Enough of this tollywaddle. It truely flames my tail like a hun out of the Sun...Immigrant? Send em off to the Yanks! They like that sort over there! Spose it reminds em of all those oil fields and poppy fields they invaded. Cheer up lads, election days comin. You'll get to make your mark. Big difference it'll make...oh blimey!

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You know Adolf and his boys did that sort of thing. Try to shut a bloke up they did.

i wish the uk were allowed to do one of these laws but the eu apparently stops us. not that i think the gov would do any of those things to there fave people(illegals). usa sounds just the same as here

thread name should be fine

A country without borders is not a country. It's an oasis for whom ever wants to use the resources of said oasis. Without order is chaos.

I really dont understand peoples problem with forcing people to legitimatly enter this country. Imaging how big of a chunk would be taken out of our deficit if every illegal (from any country) paid taxes for 2010... Its staggering!

Well,I for one agree with you on this one.

Only time in the history of modern man or even ancient man that invaders of a country are perceived to have more rights than the native born and legitimate citizens of a country.

I have been studying the history of this country as to what led up to the first civil war.

The inability of the elected politicians to listen to their constituents and vote as they wished.

It may not be in my life time but there is a war coming.

People in the heartland are only going to take only so much.

If you are for these "cockroaches" being here you are called an activist or a advocate.

If you are a citizen complaining about and wanting the government to do their job,you are called, such as a rebel or any of the other terms which the MSM uses to describe the conservative movement.

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion." Article IV Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution.

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Agreed. There's some balance between compassion and concern for your country. While Americans should be concerned for their Mexican neighbors, allowing them to hop the border illegally and get no reprocussions is just foolish. Opening the borders is not an option, it would just make a massive drain on the American economy and cause a ripple to move across the planet. You think the housing market disaster was bad?

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Imagine the level of education rising after all the deadweight of illegals abusing the system with their anchor babies is lifted.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
I really dont understand peoples problem with forcing people to legitimatly enter this country. Imaging how big of a chunk would be taken out of our deficit if every illegal (from any country) paid taxes for 2010... Its staggering!

The current immigration policy makes very difficult to be granted permission to enter the US legally.

It's a catch 22. The poor and uneducated have almost no chance of getting a work permit (barring some special agricultural visas) and the wealthy and educated don't need a work permit.

Originally posted by daskakik
The current immigration policy makes very difficult to be granted permission to enter the US legally.

It's a catch 22. The poor and uneducated have almost no chance of getting a work permit (barring some special agricultural visas) and the wealthy and educated don't need a work permit.

You are Lying,

My personal story completely refutes your lie. My parents were sponsored by a relative to come abroad from our home country. The major delay we had was trying to sell our house before we departed. Our visas were issued in less than 2 months, and Green cards when we came to US embassy, citizen in 5 years.

I got married in my home country, my spouse was able to get a visa to come to the US with me in less than 3 months.

All post 9/11...Again you Lie.

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USA is worse off my tiger. Your avatar is a tiger! I love all things feline as I previously posted. Anyway off to the Yanks, those poor buggars have no idea how big bother works! Always watchin. Always listnin to the teanniest grumble. And then, as bob's your uncle..off ya go! At least we can love and live "Under Watchful Eyes". Hope no one spied me lovin, know what I mean..eh? It'd be a bit of an embarrassment for the misses with her prosthetic leg and all. Takes it off, she does, so she can have more mobility. Anyway enuff said. Onto those pesky Yanks, always messin about where they don't belong. Middle east. It's ours! India. Ours! Seems they all want to come home though don't it. See the Palace, see all those lovelies in the British Museum. Things taken from here and there, they don't expect us to give this lovely stuff back now do they? Not bloody likely. I suppose next they'll want our Queen. God Bless her Royal Majesty ! Not bloody likely either! She is ours! Can't have her! Why don't you make Paris Hilton your queen? Poor deluded Yanks though, pity them, they just can't see all of the camera's pointed at them like we do. With all of their high flying drones and eye in the sky satellites. More contraptions those yanks have. Can't give a descent name to things though. P-51 was a total wanker until we stuck a Merlin in it and made it a proper fighter. We had to name it as well. Mustang was the name given by Englishmen. If we had left it up to the Yanks it would have ended up with a name as bloody awfull as homeland secuity. Something Stalin would have dreamed up. Whats next FBI...Bloody SMERSH!

Originally posted by prionace glauca

Originally posted by daskakik
It's a catch 22. The poor and uneducated have almost no chance of getting a work permit (barring some special agricultural visas) and the wealthy and educated don't need a work permit.

You are Lying,

My personal story completely refutes your lie. My parents were sponsored by a relative to come abroad from our home country. The major delay we had was trying to sell our house before we departed. Our visas were issued in less than 2 months, and Green cards when we came to US embassy, citizen in 5 years.

I got married in my home country, my spouse was able to get a visa to come to the US with me in less than 3 months.

All post 9/11...Again you Lie.

Well I tried to get my daughter a tourist visa to travel with my mother a US citizen and spend 2 months with her when she was 2 years old. She wasn't going to take any ones job or rob any one but they still denied her the visa.

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So how were those Sherman Tanks upgraded to help in WWII?

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I think you are not telling the entire truth. Was your daughter sick? Was she immunized? I think you are leaving out details that would warrant the denial.

My niece is coming from my home country next month with her family on visitor's visa. She and her family applied 6months ago.

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reply to post by Mobius1974

Oh no! How dare you!
Now you've just sabotaged your own thread!

Seriously though. Of course Sovereign nations have the legitimate right to protect their borders but the whole anti-immigration upheaval in the U.S. lately seems just too convenient with some other movements of frustration. Any civilized country must have immigration laws that respect human rights so that the immigrant doesn't become a second class citizen at the mercy of shady government reforms or the xenophobic psychosis of the nationalists.
Mark my words as the anti-illegal sentiment leads to anti-immigrants and then the whole racial war. You already have one of your congressman (Lieberman)talking about stripping citizenship. I think this bill would arrive just at the right time to be a signed deal. Even some members on this site are already blatantly venting their blurring of the line.

It's not the laws the problem but those who intend to abuse it or use it for their agendas. I know it’s not an easy argument to defend because it just a case of wait and see, but the risk is there.




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