Debate: Should We Fear or Welcome Alien Contact?

Originally posted by Moonman1111
Yep, this thread is nothing but a government pseudo intellectual debate to glorify freaks while belitting our human nature which was turned this way by the fallen ones who came from the skies before to teach us how to wage war etc etc. Seems you spiritual sociopaths don't remember reading the bible or any ancient scripture. You fools also forgot to include God into your little star wars equation. Anybody who follows aliens deserves to go to hell with them. You think true angels of God that he sends to give messages need to use UFO's? They don't need technology to beat the asses of the wicked monsters who want to control, deceive, use mind control, and brainwash mankind, etc etc.

That's harsh Moonman. Where is God in the equation? Well...God is the equation. God is everything. God recognises all life from all places. Humans can be so arrogant as to believe that we are somehow the center of his/her attention. Not so. God see's all living things with no prejudice, and it's nature's job to sort out the details.

"Anybody who follows aliens deserves to go to hell with them." It sounds like your judgement is being clouded by fear. So what... if someone doesn't agree with your point of you, then they should go to hell too? You have no idea what these beings are about or capable of. Maybe you should keep a more open mind to better possibilities as that is what will come to you when you bring your attention to it.

I would go with them. So I guess you would condemn me to hell to. I would NEVER wish that on you or anyone my friend. Your attitude is what is keeping the human race a very mature one.

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I am not down with the whole star trek way of thinking.. I think their are a very few intelligent species, at this moment now thousands of years from now if we still are alive, perhaps we will look like them now.. Yet I think these being maybe so evolved that our senses will not make sense to them.. Just my belief. We're talking very very far advanced..

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LOL Space Obama's... what a thoroughly awesome concept!

Do you think maybe Space Dubbya's exist as well? They might well still be at home trying to get their shoes on the right feet.

still chuckling here, space obama's.... pure gold.

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The evil aliens already have made contact with the government of the United States long time ago. It is not if you want or not. If I were alien species to use humans for their labor, genetic experiment or for whatever reason, I would contact the government to carry out the plan. Hawking's idea is moot because we don't have the choice. It is their choice. There is very little we can do as human species. You become a target of their experimental project.

All you can do it is just hope that the benevolent alien species to help us from the coming disasters.

I’m a big fan of the star trek type mentalities. Abolish the money, pick a career & work together with a shared vision to better humanity. This is one sure way to begin the advancement of the human race & utilize the shared resources of a planet effectively.

Life loss is a constant, & to be expected with any advancements. It’s terrible to say, however more often than not it show's us how NOT to do something, so that on next attempt we are hopefully wiser for it.
Whether it is the development of tech, through to its actual deployment, it always has the margin of error attached. Double so for the guys on the front line that believe in it so much they accept the risks as exceptable.

Now looking at it from an alien perspective, I personally believe in them. If nothing else, purely from the statistical probability factor. Whether they are even carbon based remains to be seen. If you believe the propiganda, time will tell whether the Governments entities were happy to let controlled leaks of information, or shows such as X-files to generate a following.

Seems like sound strategy to seed a concept & cushion the potential blow. A large percentage of the world will still freak if anything is made known, the general public as a whole are idiots (you only have to watch drivers going through road works on the freeway to work that out. When the road ahead is obscure, once one person deviates, they all do! ) The human race is pretty adaptive, however not without a brief spell being resistant to change. Due to our nature, this usually manifests into the ugly.

So for arguments sake, let say we get over our differences, put away our childish ways of blowing each other up, & finally work together. Pooling enough resources to build a federation of sorts in space and finding an acceptable balance of survival. And of course, reflecting on those we most certainly lost in the advancement journey.

Chances are, just like in star trek, we will come across both the good and bad entities of the universe. Just like anything, there will be potentials for both gains & losses. However how is that different than any other day on the ground? I’m not going to stop leaving my house due to fear of being hit by a bus now am I. Thats the chances you take with forward momentum. Its how we will deal with it that will define our humanity. So count me in!

Originally posted by Gaderel
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LOL Space Obama's... what a thoroughly awesome concept!

Do you think maybe Space Dubbya's exist as well? They might well still be at home trying to get their shoes on the right feet.

still chuckling here, space obama's.... pure gold.

i could hear it now "your primitive healthcare system needs CHANGE"

god you better hope aliens re not like obama....i would start a intergalactic war just to hope to get rid of them...god they would be arrogant buttholes.....of course DUBYAS would be pretty bad too.

"im telling you earth has weapons of galactic destruction!!"

Originally posted by tauempire
i think the problem with most on this thread is that they HOPE aliens will be peaceful.

hope is irrational....hope got us obama...do we need a galactic species version of obama ruling over our species!

and i cant understand how many people are so sure that aliens are peaceful!?

i just dont understand it...logic dictates to me that we have high chance of either alien types......

how can they say that im self projecting on the aliens when i say they could be hostile but dont they do the same?

they say aliens could think totally differently then us..but then turn around and say they will be peaceful because "you have to be peaceful to make it to the stars"?

does this logical fallacy escape everyone but me?

Is very obvious but we are talking of people who doesnt get the difference between Intelligence and Ethics & Moral, a lot of people think that if you are more intelligent you must have more ethics and moral, and thats wrong, for example, serial killers are usually too fu..... intelligent and smart, and they dont have any kind of ethics or moral.

So yes, there can be very very intelligent species out there, so what? they must be good and nice because of that? that doesnt make sense.

Originally posted by ZenTao

Originally posted by Moonman1111
Yep, this thread is nothing but a government pseudo intellectual debate to glorify freaks while belitting our human nature which was turned this way by the fallen ones who came from the skies before to teach us how to wage war etc etc. Seems you spiritual sociopaths don't remember reading the bible or any ancient scripture. You fools also forgot to include God into your little star wars equation. Anybody who follows aliens deserves to go to hell with them. You think true angels of God that he sends to give messages need to use UFO's? They don't need technology to beat the asses of the wicked monsters who want to control, deceive, use mind control, and brainwash mankind, etc etc.

That's harsh Moonman. Where is God in the equation? Well...God is the equation. God is everything. God recognises all life from all places. Humans can be so arrogant as to believe that we are somehow the center of his/her attention. Not so. God see's all living things with no prejudice, and it's nature's job to sort out the details.

"Anybody who follows aliens deserves to go to hell with them." It sounds like your judgement is being clouded by fear. So what... if someone doesn't agree with your point of you, then they should go to hell too? You have no idea what these beings are about or capable of. Maybe you should keep a more open mind to better possibilities as that is what will come to you when you bring your attention to it.

I would go with them. So I guess you would condemn me to hell to. I would NEVER wish that on you or anyone my friend. Your attitude is what is keeping the human race a very mature one.

I guess you either see or you don't. I know very much about their little 'abilities' and it's nothing to be impressed with. They are the laughing stock of the tabernacle and the heavens. My judgement is based on what I have seen and know. If you believe and recognise God, you should very well know more about Satan and be more open minded to his games and the games of his bitch followers. And believe it or not, mankind is God's most loved creation as well as his angels who feel the same joy as God does when they watch us make the right choices. So if you want to go with them you go right on ahead, because I know exactly where they want to take you and others.

IMHO....star trek mentalities are just.....retarded and most likly would never work.

The creator of that show tried to show the best of humanity in some utopian universe....but he got it wrong.

humans are very vain selfish creatures(but i love being one of them!)thats part of what makes us so great.

what would be the incentive to invent new things.....to become better??

the human mind works in 'risk/reward' mentality.

if there is no 'reward' why do anything?

if you say "for the greater good of humanity"......many humans would say "screw that...WHAT DO I GET OUT OF IT!!"

thats just what we are?

on top of being selfish and vain...we are envious creatures.

there was a study done..i dont know if you read it,but it asked whether you would rather make 30,000 dollars a year and live comfortably...ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE or make 60,000 dollars a year while everyone else made 30,000 dollars.

guess what the majority picked...thats right they picked the 60,000 dollar income.

what does that tell you?

we are vain and envious...we want to be better then everyone else on a subconcious level.

do you think humanity will live with being second best to aliens...no our very nature commands us to be the best...or we become envious and jealous.

envy and jelousy leads to HATE...and hate is just one long line of components that leads to WAR.

why does everyone hate the sole empire of the time...Rome,BritainUSA,etc.

you can hide behind 'atrocities' that the empire commited all you want...but we all know the truth...YOU want to be the empire.

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My opinion is that we are the Aliens on this planet we seem to be the most destructive species and we are the only species that has no previous evolutionary chain. I have always felt we do not belong here we were put here that is why we don't mesh with the the rest of the planet so I would welcome all aliens.

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Originally posted by Gaderel
More likely they should be afraid of us.

We are a violent, heavily armed, untrustworthy species.

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I agree. On that note, I say we tie them to chairs and torcher them until they give us everything they know and then take our new space aged a$$es and hit the stars and take all of their planets and resources from them before they do it to us. You know, fight them away from the homeland of earth. One way or another, there cannot be peace between such races. The universe is just like us. You know that to get resources and to get an empire that is larger and larger you have to conquer. Nature itself teaches us that the weak get used as doormats by the strong and no one ANYWHERE is going to "handshake" their way to dominion. It always ends up in war over resources. I say, we take it to them and go ahead and cut the crap and diplomacy until we have made a universal name for ourselves and then play house.....er democracy to keep the factions as large as us from attacking until we devise a way to mop the floor with them as well. Be diplomatic to your own race of beings (humans) .....all else must shudder with fear at the mere mention of humans. Then and only then will democracy work in OUR favor. If they are smarter than us we smash their brains and paint our front walls with their brain matter to make an example, kind of like the illuminati did with Kennedy, who opposes them that work for them now? If they attack our children we poison a whole generation of alien children to come, if they blow up a house, we blow up their city. They should not become slaves, because another day alive is another day to regroup. So, that is my answer, be fruitful and multiply the universe with humans and exterminate all fallen angels.

Originally posted by tauempire humans are very vain selfish creatures

Only if those qualities are nurtured and encouraged in us, and our current civilization does a pretty good job of that. Even just looking back as far as 50-60 years you can see those qualities weren't as acceptable as they are now. These days they're almost celebrated.

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I think the only reasonable conclusion that we, as humans can come up with is something like this.

We can only truelly base other intelligence life, based off of what we experienced, and experience today. Obviously the only truelly superior intelligence life on Earth is of course humans. Be that as it may... the only logical conclusion we can really come up with is, they will most like be like us. We can imagine, and dream up species being nicer, being more caring, evil etc. But of course that is just based off of hopes and admirations. Not logical thought.

I do however believe a fully evolved human species, would be truelly caring, loving, and peaceful humans.. It is our nature to care, nurture, and love. Not so much war, evil, and hatred. Every and all religion that a vast majority of people believe in, fundamentally preaches the same thing. Love, and peace.
One can only conclude that will be our fully evolved state would be that. But once again.
However...we dont know or cant speculate truelly what others faith, and belief system is, on a whole other planet...galaxy...etc.

It seems logical, that they would be rather hostile, controlling, and narcissistic for the simple fact of..that is what we are, and thats all we've ever known =]

it would be nice to think that everybody would just get along and great things could be learned by both parties if the aliens were in contact...but the sad fact is that we as humans can't even control our own planet and get along...we as humans are always fighting for something...we can't even get along with each other... what makes anybody think we would just mesh into one giant happy go lucky group because of an alien encounter...i don't think so...some dip sh!t would want something from them and start a war with them just like we do here on earth and we would probably get our a55es handed to us rightfully so and we would never know the real truth...Personally I would love to have contact with an alien race just to see what others from different planets look and act like...but it seems the problem with the majority of the posts is that people automatically talk about what they could gain from a different species...that right there says we are a hungry greedy species...it is just programed into us there is no getting around it...so what would they want from us...what are we willing to give them??????

Originally posted by Risen

Originally posted by tauempire humans are very vain selfish creatures

Only if those qualities are nurtured and encouraged in us, and our current civilization does a pretty good job of that. Even just looking back as far as 50-60 years you can see those qualities weren't as acceptable as they are now. These days they're almost celebrated.

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Nope...if you believe in evolution.....which MOST of ATS do then you know we are selfish,vain,envious because its in our very nature.They did a study with monkeys.....they would give two monkeys almond or nuts(or somthing like that)and the two would eat it(after they did something good).

Then they gave one monkey a grape...the other monkey then wanted a grape as well.They kept giving one a grape and the other a nutt. Until the one getting the nutt went ape crap and started throwing the nutts around and beating on stuff...he was enraged.

they then gave both monkeys a grape...and it shut the monkey up.

the study showed the monkeys/primates show envy and jealousy....just like us...or more like we show emotion just like them...you cant blame society for everything.

but i think we need to accept that as humans we are flawed...so very flawed. and nothing will fix this....we can try all we want.

we can try to be peaceful...we can try to be diplomatic...but eventually the animal inside of us all will burst out enraged that we dare try to trap it with our 'intelligence'.

and that bodes VERY badly for aliens.

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...As certain as change is inevitable ther will be an Exopolitical Treaty at some point with others who share this region of space. Having said this I concur with the other citizens of our blessed world who point out that if there are any 'good guys' out there then they are ALREADY doing business with the Khazarist clans who keep our world in a state of war...or of course they are doing nothing now to help/educate or prevent what is to me now a complete global old boy network based on persons who follow the Bael-Sumerian cult of Marduk; a Nephillim.. The persons who protect and covet such actual close encounters as may be helpful or progressive have thus proven by OVERWHELMING action or lack of action that at this time any treaties made with non-humans would not be in the interests of our people..not even remotely.
I would need to experience FORMAL PUBLIC disclosure myself before I would take the world of of a Bilderberg member that we have some good neighbors in Orion, alfa Draconis, Sirrus , the Pleadies or wherever the Mormons say thier star-god is from?...

I think the debate is still stuck in the foundation level. We're still asking the question "are we alone?" when that question has been answered by thousands of years worth of evidence, up to the present day. The type of questions we should be asking are:

1. Which races of ET's are in communication with world governments presently?

2. What technologies have been shared between the ET's?

3. What type of intel has been gathered from these ET's?

4. Why is there an effort to suppress the UFO phenomena?

5. Why is the US President's security clearance mid-way on the 40 level hierarchy?

Even Einstein made errors and had to be corrected. Yes, Stephen Hawking is a very intelligent person, but at the end of the day, he is a pure scientist. Pure scientists have a limited sense of awareness, e.g. they believe that nothing can be faster than the speed of light, yet astronomers are finding evidence every day that goes against this theory. Scientists interpret theories to be gospel and do not consider such things as spirituality, consciousness and multi-dimensionality in their research.

What we need is a live 2hr global televised debate with a panel of scientists, astronomers, ufologists, researchers, eye witnesses, whistle-blowers and so forth. This would cause the public and world governments to wake up and be more proactive.

Post after post assumes "aliens" are from "out there". Are they? What if they were from closer to home than we thought? And as long as we're thinking about it, why is it that so many assume "aliens" are from the stars to begin with? It is just that we have too many years of sci-fi under out belts? And why do we even accept the idea of aliens at all? Certainly, our recent ancestors would have laughed!

Not so long ago, our universe was quite small. In fact, as our ideas of it have grown, so have the possibilities. In a way, it makes sense that today we more easily tend to accept the idea that we are not "alone". After all, if you accept evolution, and see how tiny we seem to be in the grand scheme of things, it isn't hard to imagine "aliens", far advanced from us.

On the other hand, what if what we believed, what we "knew" you might say...what if it was something mostly "fed" to us, from birth? To be more precise, what if much of what we believed was primarily a product of "design" somehow? Perhaps it sounds preposterous, and after all, "who" would want to make us believe certain things anyway? Taking a step away from the Alien issue, what about religion? Certainly, many today regard religion as being rather convenient for the management of the majority, has it not been called the "opiate of the masses"? And naturally, if you were lucky enough to belong to the "true" religion, you would be the exception, but perhaps you could grant the general principle, acknowledged even in antiquity, that religion does serve well in the government of subjects.

So why bring this up when the topic is whether alien contact is good or bad? Well, probably most can see that the topic itself is regarded with almost "religious" emotion by most. They believe. No, they don't. Perhaps aliens are demons. Perhaps they're angels! It seems, we can't extract ourselves from our primitive roots. Could it be that this topic is just a more contemporary "theological" argument in some sense?

Of course, before we ask if it's a good idea to contact aliens, so much has already taken place in our collective consciousness. And we got to this point pretty quick in fact. Is it just a product of natural growth, or have we been "guided" down this path? How could we ever get to the answer?

We do in fact have an interesting development in our recent history. 9/11. No, this was not done by Islamists who "hate our freedoms". It was perpetrated by those with immense power. They had / have the power to make Norad stand-down. They have the power to make you believe official stories! They can get you arguing about 10 different things, and all along, they continue to progress..

Please factor this in when considering "alien" encounters. Whoever is really running this show has demonstrated incredible power with 9/11. Could they also have the power to put on a first-class show regarding "aliens"? Would even YOU believe it?

The mere fact that the issue is in the news, that one of the moons of Phobos (Fear) has been found to be partially hollow, that old astronaut Buzz Aldrin is speaking on camera about a "monolith" on that moon...it could all be...by DESIGN.

Arthur C. Clark in his immortal sci-fi work also show-cased a "monolith" (coincidentally?) The year of disclosure in his fiction was 2010. We are here.

Consider this: "If" the people who brought us 9/11 have a plan that includes "aliens", then we DO have something to fear. They killed thousands...why wouldn't they kill MILLIONS if it suited their Plan? "What if" they could topple the towers in Manhattan, and blame Arabs? "What if", they could kill-off BILLIONS of "use-less eaters", and blame...ALIENS! In the end, they would have their low-pop Utopia. And we (few) survivors would PRAISE our leader (s) for saving us!

It's perfect really...unless you're one of the 6 billion who have to die...

JR MacBeth
Gathering Storms Ahead

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Well there are 2 schools of thought here. 1 conflict breeds growth, kick over the ant hill. 2 unity and discipline breed advancement. Buddhist monks are a good example. With in our history show me where being unified as a whole led us to greater heights....you cannot, humanity needs competition. The Space race, Every war we've ever had, and monetary driven competition have brought us our technological advancements. With out greed we'd still be a primitive tribal species, as we think of them.
Basically if we didn't want to be better and have more then our "enemy" we wouldn't be here.
So I say fear them, and worry about keeping ourselves alive.