Why was Hitler chosen to spy on NSDAP?

Not sure what forum to put this in.

Why was Hitler chosen to spy on the NSDAP? During World War 1 he was just an infantryman, right? What made the army choose him as a spy?

Interesting question.

My first thought was the German army was downsizing it's units from a war footing to a peace time level. It would be something for a corporal to do.

My conspiracy side tells me that Ernst Roehm was somehow involved with the decision as he was a staff officer in the German army. I'd think he'd had heard something about the German's Workers Party and wanted to find out more about it without getting his own hands dirty. After all, the army was drawing down and they would need less officers. Send someone that could make reports and send it up the chain of command.

Anyway, that's my thoughts....

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I lean toward the conspiracy side as well. It just seems odd that he, even as a corporal, would be chose since, as far as I am aware at least, he had not intelligence background. Of course it would not take much training to spy on a group and report back.

Probably because he was a despatch runner durring ww1 so he had experience in relaying information. According to this he was spying on them as part of his education.
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I had forgotten about his duties during the war. Good site, thanks.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
Not sure what forum to put this in.

Why was Hitler chosen to spy on the NSDAP? During World War 1 he was just an infantryman, right? What made the army choose him as a spy?

THe word "ironic" as a cliche comes to mind following on from his failed artistic bent .
Did they the WW1 generals sign the future destruction of Germany by casually giving the young Hitler this task?
It would be good for others to educate the rest of us about this subject without referring us to external sites ect.
Personally I refrain from clicking links,and would rather see contributors contribute and list their sources if need be.
But just my humble view.

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An interesting point. Perhaps the future of Germany was set and he was a useful patsy. This is not to say he was innocent. The Holocaust is the most evil thing I can imagine. But I don't believe Hitler was his own man. I do think he was supported and financed into power.

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Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
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An interesting point. Perhaps the future of Germany was set and he was a useful patsy. This is not to say he was innocent. The Holocaust is the most evil thing I can imagine. But I don't believe Hitler was his own man. I do think he was supported and financed into power.

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Most likely he was the most protected human being in history.

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I think you may be right. It amazes me that he survived over 40 attempts on his life.

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Perhaps some sort of Divine intervention?
THe waters are indeed murky and some of his protectors would spin all our heads if we were at the least bothered to dig.
But a new rose sometimes is given life by the most on the nose things.

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I do believe that either he or his inner circle claimed it was divine intervention, but don't quote me on that. I personally don't think so, but I could see human intervention. People sure did like him, including "good guys" in the US and UK.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
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I do believe that either he or his inner circle claimed it was divine intervention, but don't quote me on that. I personally don't think so, but I could see human intervention. People sure did like him, including "good guys" in the US and UK.

I think that's how he rose so far so fast. Those "in the cut" companies made fortunes during the war.

Not to mention the ones that STILL did business with Germany during the war...


Follow the money..



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Absolutely. Fascism did not die, it simply changed its base of operations.

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Yes as some say he was the ultimate Patsy.
Somesay look who benefitted the most out of WW2 and there lies the signpost to the real conspiracy.
But some believe the Holywood version of WW2 and all its lies and lies stacked to the sky.
Who knows the truth?
The dead and the stum.
But oooh so much Gold was won by those whose children swan about in privileged lives today, profits from war,got to admire those winners.

Hitler was chosen to spy on NSDAP because of his short built. He appeared less suspicious and less confrontational.

Hitler himself was a highly-motivated individual. The spying was a great opportunity to gain insight, not only for the military but his future advancement as a Fuhrer.

Originally posted by cenpuppie
Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by Dr Conspire

 

I do believe that either he or his inner circle claimed it was divine intervention, but don't quote me on that. I personally don't think so, but I could see human intervention. People sure did like him, including "good guys" in the US and UK.

I think that's how he rose so far so fast. Those "in the cut" companies made fortunes during the war.

Not to mention the ones that STILL did business with Germany during the war...


Follow the money..



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Dry and spot on, so can you some of those who made money by collaborating in business with Nazi Germany?
Some say it is a very damning list, but I have never seen it.

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If you can find it, I suggest "Trading With the Enemy" by Charles Higham. He goes into far more detail that can be done in 8000 characters

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
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If you can find it, I suggest "Trading With the Enemy" by Charles Higham. He goes into far more detail that can be done in 8000 characters

Cheers I have heard of it, but not read it does it list the Profiteers who aided Nazi Germany both abroad and in Germany itself?
Perhaps you could list a few juicy ones?

First off S&F great thread hope you guys keep it up and running

Hitler's rise was astounding on the face of it, How did a mere Korporal get to such dizzy heights ?
Even when the war was militarily lost he still had such a strong hold on his military/civic leaders, Condemning tens of thousands to needless deaths..

What was his influence, Was their an occult element at work ??

During the fall out and chaos in Germany as a whole after their defeat in The First World War, but more specifically for Hitler in Munich, the Raterepublik was proclaimed in Bavaria on 13th April 1918.
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There was a general feeling within the German Army that they had been betrayed by their leaders and those at home and that was the reason that they had lost the war.

Kurt Eisner was in control in Bavaria and he authorised Soldiers Councils in the Munich barracks.
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Hitler's colleagues elected him as their barracks representative.

Obviously the Nazi Party later glossed over the fact that Hitler wasn't a part of the downfall of Munich's 'Red Republic' s' but rather he was actively involved in it.
Indeed in later years, when faced with allegations about Hermann Esser, an old colleague, from within the Nazi Party, Hitler is alleged to have said 'Everyone at one time was a Social Democrat'.
Esser and Hitler weren't the only Nazi's who flirted with the Social Democrats in the aftermath of the First World War, so did Julius Schreck and Sepp Dietrich.
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It is suspected that so did many more.

However, it is also thought that Hitler's comrades who voted for him were also aware of his Nationalist leanings and voted for him as a counter to the Socialist leaning of The Raterepublik.

Within a week of the breakdown of the Republic and during a severe anti-communist backlash Hitler denounced two Battalion Council colleagues to the tribunal set up to investigate the activities of soldiers during The Raterepublik.
Hitler was then appointed to a three man committee investigating the involvment of The Resrve Battalion of The 1st Regiment in The Raterepublik.
As a direct result of this Hitler was not de-mobbed as most other soldiers were.

With the onset of The Weimar Republic in 1919 and the Reichswehr there was 'recognised' the need for 'anti-Bolshevik courses' for soldiers and the responsibility for these in Munich was handed over to Captain Mayr who was in charge of The Information Department and a man of considerable influence.
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Hitler had come to Mayr's attention during all the recriminations after the break up of The Raterepublik and Hitler is listed as an informant around June 1919 and is subsequently assigned to the first course held 5 - 12 June 1919 at Munich University.
During this course Hitler heard several lectures on diverse anti-Communist theories like 'The Political History Of War' and 'Our Economic Situation And Peace Conditions' from noted scholars like Gottfried Feder and Karl Alexander von Muller.
Hitler made a bit of a name for himself here passioantely debating his beliefs with other attendees and the lecturers themselves.
All of this and more was fed back to Mayr.
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Hitler's personal grievances and opinions were beginning to take shape into a political idealogy.

Hitler was subsequently sent along with twenty five others to be instructors on a five day course at Lechfeld.
There were concerns that a lot of the soldiers had been 'infected' with 'dubious political leanings' during their term as Prisoners Of War in Soviet Russia.
Apparently Hitler took to this work like nothing he had ever done before and showed a passion and zeal previously unseen giving lectures on several subjects himself and assisiting in other lectures.
It was here that it was first noted that he was an exceptional orator, or as he himself said, he could 'speak'.

By September 1919 Hitler had excelled to the extent that he was considered the group expert on the 'Jewish Question' by Mayr himself and indeed began to be considered as Mayr's favourite.

Mayr had been given a list of fifty extreme groups and organisations, ranging from the far right to the far left who had to be watched.
It was the responsibility of Mayr's informants to perform this surveillance.

On 5th September 1919 Hitler, along with at least two of his colleagues from Lechfeld, were sent to watch a meeting of The German Workers Party in Munich.
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The scheduled speaker was unable to make it so Gottfried Feder, who had lectured Hitler previously, stood in and gave a lecture.
Hitler had previously heard the lecture so he concentrated on watching those that had attended the meeting and noted that they seemed no different to the many other various parties around at the time.
As he was leaving an invited guest who happened to be a noted Professor proceeded to criticise Feder and advocate Bavarian seperatism.
At this point Hitler, full of self confidence from Lechfeld, unable to contain himself, proceeded to dismantle the professors arguement.

This impressed the party leader, Anton Drexler, who gave Hitler a pamphlet, asked him to attend the next meeting and would he be interested in joining.
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The rest, as they say, is history.


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