Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

reply to post by Wayne Herschel

I would not have replied but for the fact that you responded to a post of mine which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything you have said.

I have been following this thread since the big announcement. From the beginning it was clear that the claims about the "discovery" were absurd. It was also clear that "Dr." Judy was no scientist.

I'm drinking sct/soda now and it is a pain to scroll (after a long day of law inforcement) can someone just tell me if this is all a bunch of crap or is their maybe a real possibility of some alien thing from space going on here.

I took astronomy 1 and 2 in college so I am really interested in this crap.

(wow I gotta good buzz going here)

I usually lay in bed and love to hear Richard Hoagland updates on C2C before I passou....t

yes go for the jugular ... attack the protocol you think is wrong or incorrect and it will be debated... thats why I am here.

Most think Judy as a person does not exist or my approach to releasing her claim is wrongful or has some hidden agenda... so give me your best shot... right at the jugular ...

Im taking a bath... back in 20 mins...

... a quick one... read my bloggs... we dont know if this signal was for real but a few astronomers showed an interest in her data claims and i hope to get some feedback in a few days... back in 20 mins...

Wayne, thanks for coming to ATS to defend your position and help clear things up a little. You are correct some people here like to appear clever and have big internet ego's.... don't bite.

You have stated your position and I for one understand that position... be this a hoax or not I think your intentions were pure.

reply to post by Wayne Herschel


ill ask my questions again because either you missed them or ignored them, what whistle blower do you mean that met a bad end? paul vigay? and are you talking about that absolutely ridiculous crop circle with the alien face and the circle?. if so then do you honestly believe that is real and left by aliens? if so did those same aliens make the richard and judy tv show crop circle that was made around the same time in an almost identical style that were very highly likely to have been made by the same people?.

do you seriously believe that paul vigay was killed because he studied an extremely suspicious crop circle that was almost definitely man made and made some spurious claims about it? surely the government or whoever would not kill anyone over such a thing! in fact its laughable because he would have already discredited himself with such claims and the government would have no need to do anything, the whole subject is not exactly taken very seriously and hasn't for a very long time.

can you explain how a radio telescope can receive u.v light at the wavelengths that judy claimed?

thanks

rich

[edit on 6-5-2010 by RICH-ENGLAND]

reply to post by YissakharMelech
proven by who, i dont see many Phds on here

reply to post by Wayne Herschel


can you provide us with the explanations that you said judy provided you about this signal so we can study what she has to say?

thanks

rich

reply to post by Wayne Herschel

It's unclear who you are referring to but if it's me I'll say it again; I have no interest in what you have to say to justify your actions in this case.

There was no "signal". The entire premise was nonsensical no matter what the source.

Off topic: Phage is a cool guy! Everyone says he's the smartest guy on here. I'd like to learn from him.

Back on topic: I've been following this thread for nine years now, and, before Wayne showed up, I was saying to myself, "This is just a hoax gone terribly wrong." But now that Wayne showed up I'm starting to think that there might be some truth to this. Please do not insult me!

With out Judy, we are all just chasing our tail. Wayne is just a messenger. Don't shoot the..well you know.

I'm really tired of people taking up tons of space on this thread with their ASSUMPTIONS. To debate anything you need FACTS and with out Judy there are none. So, let's give Wayne some time to investigate this situation and figure out what is going on. His intentions are clearly not bad.

Good lord people have some patience.

paul vigay? the whistle blower who deciphered a message that was somehow encoded in binary in a multilayered crop circle in very fine tufts of crop.

yes he was probably murdered ... but that would be speculation wouldnt it... they guy hired a boat that was never found... then decided to jumb overboard after being missing for days.

The richard and judy tv show crop circle that was made around the same time in an almost identical style was a pathetic example of a pixeled geoglyph... it had no fine detail.. no encoded message but a very blurred so called male and female sort of geoglyph... no comparison at all.

someone asked...

"can you explain how a radio telescope can receive u.v light at the wavelengths that judy claimed?"

Ah! my favourite question again... oh dear... this isnt going anywhere is it?

Nobody reads earlier threads obviously... okay... one last time.

Judy was part of a NASA affiliate and guess what.. they have lots of nice stuff to work with. They even build rockets.

Is it sooooooo hard to imagine that the data Judy sent out in little pieces were just parts of what was proving a claim of an advanced signal... that it was primarily a Radio Telescope base she worker at, but that it would be absurd to imagine she wouldnt be able to reference the same either radio signal or just a general emf signal but in the optic range (with an optic telescope... ie with lenses) but a bandwidth that also showed there was something in there that was intermittent

Originally posted by Bedlam
Ok, let me make sure I'm getting this right.

Radio telescopes, that's RADIO TELESCOPES, all over the world are reporting a signal that they're receiving, from ground radio telescopes, that is in the far ultraviolet.

There's a problem here. You don't receive signals in optical bands on farking radio telescopes. Radio telescopes couldn't pick up a signal in the far ultraviolet if the operator was set on fire with Sterno as an incentive. Because they're radio telescopes. Radio telescopes top out at about 300GHz. Far ultraviolet is past the capability of most OPTICAL telescopes, much less a radio telescope.

The other issue would be, you can't observe far ultraviolet with a ground based optical telescope, even the ones designed for short wavelength work, because the atmosphere absorbs far UV. It doesn't reach the ground.

Re-emission could answer for this.

3rd Attempt at a response. Bump

Originally posted by UberL33t
reply to post by Wayne Herschel

 

I am still believing it is as so.

I admire your steadfastness. However, in reading your post it would appear that a portion of your belief is wavering. I can understand, being that you've invested so much of your time and personal work into this, why you're so adamant about maintaining the validity of the whole ordeal.

Based on your post I am also beginning to wonder if Judy would be the type to snatch the credit for this find out from under you. You stated that you gave her a certain set of stars to target and weeks later you see the blog entry claiming ET contact.

Within a very short time of this event every tie that you were associated to her with was abruptly severed. Eliminating any evidence on her end that she was ever associated with you. Thus allowing her to eventually stake full claim to the discovery even though it was based on the information you provided.

How well did you truly know her? Also, deep down, I know you want to believe otherwise, but what does your gut tell you? Because one's instincts are usually right.

reply to post by Phage


I'm afraid I don't know anything about Astronomy bar a few basics and might not phrase my question very intelligently because of that but I think you will get what I am essentially asking...

Is it at all possible that there is technology available that can detect the kind of signals she was referring to in the UV spectrum that the masses won't necessarily know about because said equipment is secret or just so cutting edge that you wouldn't know about it unless you kept up to date with all the current research/developments in the industry ?

Or, is it possible that in a rush of excitement Judy did not explain herself too well , creating some sort of misunderstanding that has led to this debate about signals being detected in the deep UV spectrum ?


There has been quite a bit of debate about her UV spectrum claims which leads the layman reader like myself to conclude that there is a cause both for and against what she has implied else there would be no cause for some of the raging science debate that has gone on here , it's all v. confusing

[edit on 6/5/10 by cosmicpixie]
I've just read Wayne's answer to this - seems to make sense ?

[edit on 6/5/10 by cosmicpixie]

reply to post by Wayne Herschel


how exactly was paul vigay a special ops "expert"?. was he an operative or in any way employed by the military or m.i.5 or m.i.6?. i have looked through lots of info already and so far i find absolutely no reference of him having anything to do with military, m.i.5 or m.i.6 or special ops, so by expert do you mean he wrote a book or something?. all i can find is that he was a computer expert and always had been in his life, i see no gaps to explain anytime where he may have been in the military at all, never mind long enough to get into special ops and become an expert. only reference of that i can find is yours, he seems to have died in a very normal and non suspicious way!

this is england we are talking about, not some communist government, they do not go around killing crop circle enthusiasts!

thanks

rich

Okay...

its midnight here... need some sleep...

thanks for inviting to be here and cover some important detail..

in summary this is where we are now...

I will keep trying to contact Judy through her family and friends and until we can see firstly she is okay... thats the first step... secondly... we all deserve a full explanation of what happened with references that an astronomer can check out too for verification its not just fabrication.

I want answers more than any of you because my work depends on clarity here.

I will keep posting updates on my facebook as I get them ... Vicky or others can relay them if they are important. But let me conclude saying this ...

... if Judy is harmed in any way... then consider how likely it is that there has been an ongoing of hiding of ET contact at a military global level... perhaps an ongoing war against ETs showing up on Earth and revealing how our society is manipulating humanity and hiding Illumination of the human spirit and more.

If she is harmed in any way or declared an official missing person by authorities then it is up to us to use these little pieces of data and try find more scientists with open minds to test the claims.

I sadly think that Judy was a victim of an insider prank that has practically cost her her career... and that is a very sad situation. We will get to the truth sooner or later.

Nite

reply to post by RICH-ENGLAND


Whether or not that story is true is not really relevant , Wayne believes it is and because of that used it as an example of what can happen to people who blow the whistle , doing so in the context of the missing Judy and probably written when he was considering worse case scenario outcomes, as you kind of would do when stressed and worried about someone.

Can we move on from that and talk about the real issues...

... just a quick one... they might want to delete someone like Paul who did not get a chance to finish the message encryption which by the way already said our elite government are manipulating society ... he probably had something more from the other SETI pattern which is still incomplete to this day and how it uses Orion and the Face on Mars reference which I was hoping he would release... because the ancient star maps have part of the matching patterns and it would be important to justify the star maps themselves... it didnt happen.

its up with all the references at thehiddenrecords.com/mars page

Nite

reply to post by Wayne Herschel

I sadly think that Judy was a victim of an insider prank

Funny, I am thinking the same thing about this "story" being brought to ATS.

What a coincidence!