Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

reply to post by cosmicpixie


hi again cosmicpixie. as ive said, this isn't persoal to wayne or judy, and it never is, i sure will be extremely civil to wayne and as ive said i would love him to prove me totally wrong and make me look silly so i can have proof of alien life, but in no way will i dumb down my stance or my questions just because wayne is here in person,

you know the rules of this game: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!. and everyone that makes extraordinary claims is fair game for hard questions.

thanks

rich

I will reply beneath each question

1) what evidence do you have of this supposed signal apart from judys word?

No evidence.. see my first post... I believe she is a NASA astronomer from spending a lot of time writing to her after being referred to her by an astronomer. No names will be mentioned because the way the world works with this is the astronomers name will suddenly appear on the internet as another clown so to speak. I did it by sheer interest and trust... I would do it again if i had established similar trust with another who i believed was an academic.




2) what evidence do you have of judys claim to be a scientist of any kind apart from judys word?



Read my earlier blog... unless you are employed by NASA there is no evidence in an unofficial claim. Officila claims will be posted by NASA and not by me.

3) why do you still defend judy after it has become pretty clear that she has no idea about the science behind these claims? as u.v cannot be picked up by radio telescope.


Pretty clear to you maybe she has no idea about science... pretty clear to me she blogged a few pieces of her explanation in dribs and drabs referencing even UV wave patterns that by the way NASA measure and I would expect July to be referencing all kind of data with NASA equipment even if it was relayed from another observatory



4) what makes you believe that judy has been pranked by her peers when it is HER that doesn't understand the science but has made the claim and defended it ? and also i cannot imagine scientist playing such a prank that they would know she would see through if she is as claimed a scientist, and also such a prank has the potential to not only ruin her but the pranksters career?


You can say she does not understand the science because your sources do not have enough data to reason the short pieces of data. Because your friends say it is nonsense means little to me. Two astronomers that have seen what she posted say this is not nonsense but incomplete data based on something completely new in nature. Once again as a friend and from the way she wrote to me I have no reason to doubt her intellect and status makes me believe as follows... since she is a believer in life in the universe from her own paranormal experiences other piers might have relayed false info to her as a prank. A scientist sending a data byte will know what a convincing joke would need to be like ... so i dont get your reasoning.



5) what evidence do you have that judy actually disappeared in reality and not just cyberspace?


You keep using the words "evidence" ... this is cyber space mate... there is no evidence of anything in an unofficial claim of this nature... and we only have her family and close friends to go by as measure of whats is happening and we havent got a phone number or direct family member to respond yet. Its still early. By missing ... see my earlier blogs... i defined 'missing' very carefully as unavailable and close friends believe she is missing.



6) how does andrew collins and/or others know judy was having a breakdown if nobody could contact her?


Ask Andrew... good question... I wrote to him asking for the lead.



7) who is this guy that you claim to be a british special ops "expert"?


The late Paul Vijay found floating in the English channel after deciphering a binary coded message in a crop circle of an amazing kind next to a radio observatory. Reports say he was also working on the Lady Diana murder too. It is insignificant... he is in the video on my website... deciphered the message aired on a Netherlands documentary... was found dead floating in the sea.

see next message...

Hi Wayne, thanks for dropping in..

I only have 1 question..

What telescope did she book time on to observe your star formations?

Thanks.

continued... you asked...

10) how is it that this special ops guy became a cryptographer and was able to decrypt the most advanced binary ever decrypted? im quite sure thats not a skill that would be tought to an s.a.s operative or any similar operative?


Did not research that... watch the documentary he explains how he deciphered it and there is another link to another researcher making it easier for a novice to see how they did it. He was a researcher and thats all that you should be interested in... he is dead.



11) what equipment did he use to decode this binary?

see above...


the next question asked was what equipment was going to be used on my star target... I wish I knew... Judy was so excited running around and blogging between work she said ... Wayne send me your target star and I have a window in one hour to target it. I never heard from her after that... and i dont count the response on her facebook page as actually being her because it is corny, with no reasoning, and cut of and signed off.

Just to add something that may back up the sciencey-bit.....yesterday I emailed a man I know who is versed in Astronomy, Laser Physics, Astrobilogy and Maths. His name is Peter Bob Sunman (or Bob Sunman he often goes by) and he has a brain the size of a planet .I relayed all Judy's posts and asked his opinion. He did not infer she was talking nonsense, quite the contrary :


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Hi Vicky:
I am not aware of Judy, but have put out several feelers (I work with Chandra Wickramasinghe).
What I can say, is that the tools for analysing such a signal are readily available and are part of the work which I am doing. If there is enough of a signal to work with, the application of Zipf mathematics (Zipf spaces) would enable one to determine whether or not there is data in the signal. (Stage1).

Next comes the interesting bit: if there is data, use of Zipf tells us if it is a language (Stage 2)
Then we have the fun of applying comparative philology to the 'language' to try to make sense of it.
Of course, there is always the possibility that the signal is communication, but is doubly encrypted, - firstly by being in a language which is completely alien, then encrypted by the aliens to stop others reading it.
The only system which has a chance of cracking that nut is to use the SETI@home principle, and allow the use of everybody's computers on line.
Great fun! Thanks for sending it to me. I will let you know if I find out any more.
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I ASKED HIM TO TELL YOU ALL HIS CREDS:


Hi Vicky
Going back to university in 2004, after a long time spent in industry, most particularly in laser physics, I obtained a 2:1 Bsc in 2006. (Glamorgan University).
Not bad for someone who last studied about forty years earlier!
2007 I completed a Masters (MSc) at Glam Uni with a dissertation predicated on alien communication, and studying the Wow! signal, among others.
I now work with Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe and Dr. Max Wallis at Cardiff Uni, (where I am researching for a PhD), - researching life in the universe, examining such things as anomalous signals (possible alien communications) and the biotic origins of depleted carbon 13 as found in carbonaceous chondrites as a means of discovering how life formed on earth.
The earliest fossils (biotic carbon) known, appear as depleted carbon 13, trapped in zircons found in the Jack Hills in Western Australia, and these prove that there was life on earth during the Hadean period, and that furthermore, there was a lithosphere (crust) and a hydrosphere (ocean) between about 4.2 and 4.8 gigayears ago.
Since these appear to be the same as those found in the carbonaceous chondrites (stones from space in layman's terms), then there appears to be a corollary between them.
I also have a strong interest in gamma ray bursts, since they fit the predicted energy profiles of transluminary travel.
I do not have a personal blog as such, but you will find me at Centauri Dreams, where I argue the possibility of travelling faster than the progation velocity of light in a vacuum.
For what it's worth, I am also a SETI associate.
Ta ta, good luck! I'll let you know if I find anything.
Bob.

Is that the same andrew collins who wrote the book "the black alchemist"? Thats one of my fav books

Thanks for that Wayne...

Did she ever mention any of the monitoring systems she worked with whilst you were conversing? What kind of help did she give you in your research?

Thanks.

reply to post by cosmicpixie

He is only addressing using mathematics to determine if a signal contains information. That is not nonsense.

He says nothing about using a radio telescope to receive signals in the ultraviolet band. At frequencies which are absorbed by the atmosphere. That is nonsense.


[edit on 5/6/2010 by Phage]

Ref to Richards comment... he said... "you know the rules of this game: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!. and everyone that makes extraordinary claims is fair game for hard questions".

Richard these are your rules... I only reason data or clues in a mystery and take action after such reasoning.

The only rules here are... research... reason... reference... action ...she was a friend who I could see had advanced knowledge on astronomy way over my head and she made a claim that I reasoned that it sounded legitimate and important... I ran with it.

you can insist on any rules and obedience as you please... but in this case you only going to get reasoning... and actions inspired by the reasoning.

If you want evidence on the subject why I believe in ET life and stars that most likely once or still support life as we know it... reference 23 of my strongest cases of the ancient star maps on line for free and by law of statistics measure this by the odds against chance... this will stand as high probability in context with matching texts that the ancients themselves said that these beings came from the sky.

reply to post by Wayne Herschel


hi wayne, yes i keep using the word evidence, if there's no evidence then there's no story, and still i see nothing that tells me that u.v can be received on a radio telescope and especially in the wavelengths claimed?.

i looked up paul vigay, and ive seen that crop circle before, i mean no offence but that crop circle although very nice and stuff is absolutely ridiculous and was probably made by the same guys that made the richard and judy crop circle that was around at the same time as the work looks almost identical!. do you seriously believe that was made by real aliens?.

could you post these explanations of judys supposed signal that you say judy sent you so they can be studied ?

and by the way, none of the people on this site are my friends at all! sorry but your very wrong about that, i dont know these people at all, i know a bit about science and im quite bright enough to do my own research, but no matter what, u.v still cannot be received by a radio telescope so if you know better then could you please explain!

as an author and researcher do you not think its wise to check your sources?

and as you say that this is the internet and nothing can be proved then what was the point of releasing this story in the first place?

thanks

rich

Okay I am going to bump this as I feel it may have gotten overlooked.

Originally posted by UberL33t
reply to post by Wayne Herschel

 

I am still believing it is as so.

I admire your steadfastness. However, in reading your post it would appear that a portion of your belief is wavering. I can understand, being that you've invested so much of your time and personal work into this, why you're so adamant about maintaining the validity of the whole ordeal.

Based on your post I am also beginning to wonder if Judy would be the type to snatch the credit for this find out from under you. You stated that you gave her a certain set of stars to target and weeks later you see the blog entry claiming ET contact.

Within a very short time of this event every tie that you were associated to her with was abruptly severed. Eliminating any evidence on her end that she was ever associated with you. Thus allowing her to eventually stake full claim to the discovery even though it was based on the information you provided.

How well did you truly know her? Also, deep down, I know you want to believe otherwise, but what does your gut tell you? Because one's instincts are usually right.

reply to post by Wayne Herschel


hi wayne, i mean no offence, but i really have no interest in your beliefs or other things, my interest lies in this story at the moment but for sure at some time i will check out your star map ideas just to see what its about.

you just stated that the rules are research and reasoning but you didn't research your source and the reasoning at this time is highly questionable.

thanks

rich

Yes same Andrew Collins... the author on Egyptology primarily.

Judy never discussed equipment or i would have mentioned it. I also never asked. My interests were very focused on how soon she could target my stars.


someone asked....

"He is only addressing using mathematics to determine if a signal contains information. That is not nonsense."

Take this up with those who deciphered the messages.. I deciphered the ancient star maps at thehiddenrecords.com as well as the Hebrew Key of solomon cipher at keyofsolomon.net


someone asked...

"He says nothing about using a radio telescope to receive signals in the ultraviolet band. At frequencies which are absorbed by the atmosphere. That is nonsense."

I dont know how many times i have had to repeat this... here goes one more time...

Judy was a NASA affiliate and i have no reason to think she faked that.

think for a moment what the chances are if NASA has links to optical equipment they can reference and work with during different tests on a star target... the answer is yes... they have access to every piece of astronomical equipment imaginable. Judy was referencing pieces of data the reasons the exotic pattern of sorts within the signal ... be it UV or radio or alpha waves for all it matters. It is complicated because nobody has seen any signal in the normal frequencies yet.

We are trying to get a family member to verify somehow her credentials but in all probability we will never see proof. Think about it... what scholar feels they need to show copies of their credentials and have it on the net. All she had was the credentials of a doctorate on astronomy. She has the knowledge of a clever astronomer so I was convinced who she was.

Originally posted by Wayne Herschel


someone asked....

"He is only addressing using mathematics to determine if a signal contains information. That is not nonsense."

Take this up with those who deciphered the messages.. I deciphered the ancient star maps at thehiddenrecords.com as well as the Hebrew Key of solomon cipher at keyofsolomon.net


someone asked...

"He says nothing about using a radio telescope to receive signals in the ultraviolet band. At frequencies which are absorbed by the atmosphere. That is nonsense."

Yes.
Someone did. That would be me. You may notice that at the top of that post there is a reference to the post I was replying to. It wasn't yours.

I really have no interest in anything you have to say about this since all you are doing is repeating what "Dr." Judy said and providing your own self-justifications for doing so.


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Richard said...

you just stated that the rules are research and reasoning but you didn't research your source and the reasoning at this time is highly questionable.

I researched my source as follows:

1) An astronomer referred me to search for her because she was a radio astronomer expert
2) I had a chance to see her old facebook CV as a doctorate.
3) I googled her name with doctorate and it had many pages
4) I conversed with her for a long time on a level that was pure astronomye


Richard if you think that was not enough to go on to ask her if she would please consider my work and to target my stars or if you think that is not enough to go on then thats your opinion. I thought the importance of releasing something before it gets covered up was also important.

Now we can say gee whiz this is wrong and bad and not right... but it was what it was and I would do it again if the circumstances were on a similar level

Why are people still posting in this thread? It's been proven the claims are wrong. This entire thread should be closed or deleted.

[edit on 6-5-2010 by YissakharMelech]

that same someone said...


"I really have no interest in anything you have to say about this since all you are doing is repeating what "Dr." Judy said and providing your own self-justifications for doing so."

You obviously dont read all the threads... I reasoned my approach and every detail... and it felt like an important and exciting claim and I would do it again and again if similar circumstances arrise. I am here only to justify why i did it and what it entailed and if its a hoax... i even defined percentage probability of what it seems to be.

I am not asking you to be interested either...you are clearly interested in mocking anything for a laugh or to perhaps impress others that you are very clever.

Hello Wayne,

I would like to ask why you bring the death of Paul Vigay into the subject of "Judy Faltskog" and what evidence do you have that he was decoding something significant from crop circles at the time he went missing and that he was 'special ops'?

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again i mean no offense, but you have got phage all wrong, hes not interested in mocking anyone, he is one of the cleverest people on this site but he says it how it is and goes straight for the jugular when he detects something fishy, and time and time again he is proved right.

thanks

rich

someone said...

"Why are people still posting in this thread? It's been proven the claims are wrong. This entire thread should be closed or deleted. "

In reality nothing has been proven... show any link to anything proven and I will gladly debate it accordingly.

It is an investigation in progress and a difficult one at that instigated very carefully due to sensitive issues with the astronomer and NASA... I repeat... the previous whistle blower had a tragic ending.