Iran offers help in fighting Gulf of Mexico oil leak

Not if they dump all them mullah's in dar!! all them rags will soak up the oil dummy!!

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Originally posted by airspoon


It's too bad that the US will most likely turn the offer from Iran down.

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Totally agree, this is our world (all countries that will be effected or have been).
I say if someone wants to pitch in why not, every set of hands helps plus it is not if they are gonna be working inside of the Oval office.
Damn those Irani's for trying to look like the good guy here!!!
Hmm maybe they offered help for that reason, clever i tells ya.

reply to post by airspoon


Actually the current government is worse than the shah. And it's been a general downhill drift for people in terms of freedom. I never listened to western media. I watched the enumerable direct observations via youtube and twitter, etc etc, coming directly form people there. I see no reason to trust a theocracy that shoots protesters and lies about elections.

And like I said, the total amount of aid they could provide can be found on one US carrier. It's not worth it.

This oil FOUNTAIN is something that the WORLD should be interested in. I appreciate that Iran is willing to help and the US needs to get off it's high horse and accept any and all help.

We have lost our sense of responsibility to the greater good and our ability to respond to emergencies.

This would NOT have been a huge emergency, if the Cheney/Bush regime had NOT allowed oil platforms to remove/forego the acoustic shut-offs that seal the pump holes at the source -- which is REQUIRED by all civilized nations (ours excluded).

The embarrassment of the Bush/Cheney regime is only outdone by it's damage to the Ecology and Economy. Economies come and go but the Gulf ecosystem may not come back any time soon.

I am originally from New Orleans and I used to go fishing all of the time out of Venice, La, through tiger pass and the Chandeleur Islands. In fact, my entire family still lives in New Orleans with at least my father still recreationally fishing those areas. I have a lot of wonderful memories there and although I now live thousands of miles away, I was planning on taking my children fishing in those same spots that my dad took me. It kills me to think about all of the oil through that prestine wilderness and how it probably won't be the same when I'm ready to take my son there next year or even 5 - 10 years down the road. Now, because of a political agenda that in no-way benefits me, my family or my neighbors, the government is going to refuse help? This is absolutely absurd!

--airspoon

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by brill

 

the total capacity of Iranian aid can be found on one aircraft carrier. it's just a waste for a doubtful helper.

Your either part of the problem or part of the solution. Hey I have no problem with the US rejecting aid regardless of whether its one individual or 10000. Not really my concern anyways, I have more important things to deal with.

brill

[edit on 3-5-2010 by brill]

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by airspoon

 

I see no reason to trust a theocracy that shoots protesters and lies about elections.

Kent state or Diebold ring a bell anywhere ? You got me on the theocracy part though, but religion isn't something taken seriously by keen minded people anyways.

brill

many people will imagine this as being an attempt from iran to make the u.s believe that they want to be friends or allies with america. this is wrong.

even if it was a ploy to make our country or government think that they want to be allies, it if anything, can be an attempt in buying time so they can nuke israel.

either or, that oil spill is what makes this planet look so bad.

It is defiantly a political move by Iran.

However i don't see many countries offering to help us With any natural disasters.

reply to post by Gorman91


Well, let's just say that it is true that the amount of aid that they could provide would equal an aircraft carrier. So what, that is that much more aid that the people along the coast would have. Though, that's simply not true, they could help much more than simply sending packaged aid. They could have their skilled oil disaster crews to help clean and contain the spill.

Furthermore, how can you call yourself a well-informed person and think that their current government is much better than the American backed Shah? The Shah was extremely brutal towards its people and committed many, many humans rights abuses not to mention the resource raping and poverty plunge of the people. It is why the people revolted and installed their theocracy. I'm so glad that you are educating yourself through youtube and twitter as it is obvious how well that is coming along there. I'm certainly not pro-Iranian but most scholars familiar with the area, believe that those public protests were Mossad funded and planned. Most think that the Mossad and CIA was pulling the strings for those heavily covered by the Western MSM protests. I don't even know if I believe this but I'm certainly not going to fool myself by a ouple of youtube videos, tweets and American and Israeli MSM outlets, especially since they have already labeled Iran as a potential target for simply wanting efficient energy (though the real reason may be far different). Whether it was or wasn't is really none of my concern as it relates to this issue at hand.

Regardless, before this post gets off-topic, it doesn't matter whether you agree with Iranian politics or not, we need help with this spill and they are offering help. We need so much help that BP has stooped to begging local fishermen (when I say local, I mean the entire coast) to offer up their boats and services for hire to help contain the spill. The point is that we desperately need help, Iran is offering it and there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't accept that help. After all, Iran does have some expertise and equipment for the job at hand. It really has nothing to do with their politics.

If you were walking down the street and you were shot and robbed, would you refuse help from someone from another religion? What about a convicted criminal? Would you only accept help from someone you knew and liked? That would be a quick way to not get any help and doom yourself to a fate of your own making. What I would do, is accept help from whomever seems confident and capable enough to actually help me, instead of questioning irrelevant variables.


--airspoon

All I can say is that this better be looked at and done very carefully. Iran could be spying. A nice up close view of us they normally wouldn't get. Also, we need to be careful not to fight if we disagree while working together that could start a war. Also, we need to simply thank them and not give anything back. They may be trying to extort us. All negativity aside, it could be a starting point for everyone to get along and become friends.

It's not going to happen. This is only a PR move which most people aren't even going to hear about.

If the US was going to start accepting help, then it would most likely be from our allies. If we don't accept or ask for help then we already have the situation taken care of.

Anybody thinking that we should just accept this offer, thinking we can all hold hands and sing around the campfire isn't living in reality.

Originally posted by TaxpayersUnleashed
It is defiantly a political move by Iran.

However i don't see many countries offering to help us With any natural disasters.

What? Have you forgotten about those 60 cots France offered us after Katrina?

It would be wonderful if Iran, or anybody could help us save the Gulf. But I admit I am questioning how they would propose to do this? Didn't someone state this effort in the Caspian Sea is a new endeavor for them?

Seems to me we need deep-water vehicles, robot things, that actually work. I'm just curious about what expertise they may have with water this depth. Obviously the situation is very complex, and very stubborn.

I wonder if they have made suggestions and given details for possible solutions. I'd like to see what ideas they've come up with that would end this nightmare. I so wish they, or somebody, could.

reply to post by Cobra.EXE

even if it was a ploy to make our country or government think that they want to be allies, it if anything, can be an attempt in buying time so they can nuke israel.

I would be more afraid of Israel nuking Iran, or even us. Iran has never been aggressive to anyone (with the exception of Iraq that was US provoked and in self-defense) in the last couple hundred years or so while Israel is the exact opposite. Iran has been more than transparent with their nuclear program and has stated and demonstrated that it is only for energy purposes while Israel on the other hand, has not been transparent or even cooperative with the IAEA and has kept their nuclear program a secret and it is in fact a WEAPONS program. Plus, Iran is a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty while Israel is not. If it is nuclear aggression that we are worried about in that region, we should be worried about Israel and their arsenal of nuclear weapons, not Iran and their transparent nuclear energy program. Which is a more peaceful nation? Israel is one of the most aggressive nations on Earth, has not signed any nuclear treaties, both energy-wise and weapons-wise and has refused any type of transparency while Iran has been a very peaceful nation, has also been extremely cooperative and transparent, has been only pursuing nuclear energy and not a weapons program and has also signed nuclear treaties with the rest of the world. It should be Israel that we are worried about.

Oh and before anyone labels me an anti-semite, I am Jewish and love my kin. I'm not pro-Iran or really so much anti-Israel but I do use logic and reason and instead of buying into the Western propaganda mill, I tend to use my critical self thinking skills. Israel happens to be the far more dangerous nation but because the largest lobbying group in the US is the Israeli lobby, Americans and Westerners are not going to see just how dangerous they are and instead, we are going to be manipulated into thinking that Israel's enemies are the real danger.

--airspoon

reply to post by Styki


While I agree that this may be a huge PR stunt, the people who will benefit would be the ones receiving the help. Venezuela also had a huge PR stunt with the free heating oil that they supply lower-income Americans every year and guess what, both Americans and Venezuelans benefit. What could be so bad about that? If I had to guess, this PR is so that Americans won't support any type of war with Iran, just as Venezuela's PR stunt was to sway popular opinion against US intervention and regime change in that country. The CIA plans a coup in Venezuela that fails and all of the sudden, Venezuela starts a massive PR campaign that helps lower-income Americans. The American government wanted regime change in Venezuela because of corporate greed for the oil and so tried to covertly over-throw a democratically elected government. If Americans start to like Venezuela, then TPTB would have a hard time with a smear campaign to manipulate us into American military intervention.

I suspect that Iran is taking que from her friend, Venezuela and their some-what successful attempt to thwart American "bullyizm". All of the sudden, Iran becomes friends with Venezuela and Iran is sort of doing the same thing. I can't see this as anything other than good for all but America's elite and special and corporate interests.

All in all, if their PR effort is to help Americans in an effort to defuse future military action and/or devastating sanctions, then both Americans and Iranians are only that much better off. It is not you or I that will benefit from any kind of sanctions or war against Iran but it is you and I who will benefit from this so-called PR campaign to help Americans and nature's ecosystem.

--airspoon

They should accept help from anyone that knows how to fix the problem. 3 months is a long time for oil to be flowing into the ocean. Where is Harry Stamper from Armageddon when you need him!!!

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by centurion1211

 

Iran does have some bigger ships in their Navy and when you combine this with their industrial/commercial ships, they could offer reasonable help. [edit on 3-5-2010 by airspoon]

How about putting together a list of all the ships iran has that could make it here and that they would be willing send, you know, without crippling their other operations. You make it sound like they have all these ships and people just sitting around waiting for the call like Red Adair used to do.

And add to that list anyone iran has with the expertise required to plug oil wells a mile under the surface of the ocean.

What is this, world give iran a hug day? How about considering that they know they can't really help, plus they know the U.S. most likely wouldn't accept it even if they could. That all equates to pure political grandstanding by iran for the brownie points.

And look at all the people on this thread that have been suckered in.

A couple previous posters actually accused me of "name calling" and "political slander" because I dared to question the motives of poor little iran.

The bunch of you desperately pleading, "iran help us, please!"

Now stop and ask yourselves a very simple question. Exactly why are none of the countries that we are friends with and/or who are known to have the expertise to actually help stepping up like our wonderfull new "buddies" the iranians.

I just want to pose this to us all for our consideration:

Have any of you even been the lead on a response to an oil spill? I have. That doesn't make me an authority, nor place my opinion of this subject anywhere above your own, but I have been in the "trenches" of having to make hard decisions.

Let me tell you something..... There are NEVER, EVER enough hands to fully address the problem, nor the impact, nor the repercussions of oil coming ashore. Often, the main effort there, after the oil is making landfall, is supported by volunteer efforts. Volunteers. Volunteers who work their tails off, with no pay, providing their own resources, often, for the simple reason of wanting to do some good.

Right now, this spill is at a crossroads. There are a variety of responses that should have already been made. Now, having said that, I don't really know all the variables that are in play, other than what is reported here, and on other media.

Short answer: ALL hands on DECK!! Yes, the logistics of coordinating out-of-USA help might be somewhat profound. I reiterate, this spill has the signmarks (for me, anyway) of a more than localized impact. It could be far beyond the U.S., even into Central and South America. I hope not.

Can the U.S. really turn aside any help? Hey, if Iran wants to help, then take them up on it! Work their forces, and cause them to produce. It's a win-win. Imagine, six months from now -- the U.S. turned down all help, and the blame game is in full force. It can't all be simply laid at the doorstep of BP. The problem is bigger than the oil company itself.

The U.S. , IMO, should be calling in help from its alleged allies, and coordinating all those efforts. There are several phases of operation needed. What if ONE group of six people had the knowledge and ability to cap a deep-sea oil plume?

Consider this too: Imagine turning down Iranian help, and then six months later, they claim exactly that? That they could've stopped the spill, but weren't consulted?

There is going to be a need of thousands of hands-on personnel once this starts to make hard landfall. Hopefully, much of it can be contained by sorbent boom (expensive) and flashed.

Drop your pride, United States. It's not the time. For the record, I believe that Iran has already fabricated at least two nukes, and working on weapons delivery systems. They've joined the club, I think. Can the U.S. really afford to shoulder the whole load, no matter how comparatively small the workforce is? Hey, Canada, Hey Venezuela, Hey Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Hey England, Didn't forget you Spain, nor Turkey, nor France, nor Russia. HELP!!!!!!!!!! You have resources and/or knowledge? Step up to the plate. The good ol' USA has likely done for you before.

reply to post by centurion1211

What is this, world give iran a hug day? How about considering that they know they can't really help, plus they know the U.S. most likely wouldn't accept it even if they could. That all equates to pure political grandstanding by iran for the brownie points.

Understand your point of view, however a single person can HELP. What about an oil-harvesting country with resources? Really CAN'T help? Because their resources don't equal the mighty, U.S.'s?

This problem is much bigger than global politics. This spill is serious, and listed among the possible KIA is economic systems, food production, ecological impacts, jobs, the welfare of families.

This is proof of the Law of Attraction.

For all the fear mongering, all the "Controllers" master plans to force fear stricken Americans into FEMA camps...after all the evil aliens conspiring with Masonic Mossad agents lead armed with the Pope nuke to blow up Iran and start Armegeddon...what happens?

Iran offers to help the United States. If that doesn't disarm the haters, the refusal to buy into their disease certainly will.

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE! REALITY IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE!

You control your dominant thoughts. If we all simply believe the average Iranian wants what every human being wants, we take all the power from the "NWO."

It is as simple as that and it is manifesting.

The reason no bomb blew up in NYC is because we are sick and tired of CHOOSING to be frightened, violent competitors for resources.

I choose not to believe in the fear. I will not stock up food. I will not stock up bullets. I have faith the rest of you people in my dream will come to love each other.