Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

reply to post by backinblack

Is that actual video?

Here is the undedited version of the liftoff.



Funny how they both look exactly the same.

Show me your work now and explain the fakery in details.

None of this it just looks or it is because I feel it crap is detail.

Details, be specific, use adjectives and describe your stance.

Prove that this isn't real.

reply to post by theability


Gawd, you guys jump on anything..

By "actual video" all I meant was from NASA unedited..Sheesh

I just looked at the apollo 15 ascent and see similar flares of color.
Must be some lens effect...

But I will say one thing...
I too can speak in an attacking manor if you wish..
Your choice, debate or attack..
I can do either but I'm getting tired of the attacks..

Originally posted by backinblack
I just looked at the apollo 15 ascent and see similar flares of color.
Must be some lens effect...

It's how the colour video camera's worked. They had a rotating colour wheel of red, green and blue. Basically every frame is a different colour and when there is any fast movement, you see a rainbow like effect. You see it with the astronauts at some points as well.

Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by backinblack
I just looked at the apollo 15 ascent and see similar flares of color.
Must be some lens effect...

It's how the colour video camera's worked. They had a rotating colour wheel of red, green and blue. Basically every frame is a different colour and when there is any fast movement, you see a rainbow like effect. You see it with the astronauts at some points as well.

Thank you for the explanation. I thought it was something like that..

Merry Christmas,,

reply to post by theability


I thought I could see some stars in that video you posted... but it was only some dust on my screen. Do you see any stars in that video? That's a very cool video I watched it about 20 times.

But here is a technical quesiton: who programmed the camera to zoom out @ 10s and pan up @ 12s? I believe that I read somewhere that this camera was pre-programmed from MSC. I would also like to know how this shot was timed, given 2s radio delay to the Moon. The zoom out / panning up seems to be very well synchronized.

The Apollo commander is verbally counting down to lift-off 3-2-1... his voice is received by MSC Houston 2 seconds later, the Mission Controller responsible for that camera presses a button to activate the "zoom out/panning up" sequence... all this matches perfectly.

In order to account for the 2 seconds delay of signal going back to the Moon the Mission Controller would need to have pressed the button to activate the camera program at the exact point the Apollo commander says "3".

I do not see any other way for that shot happening.

I also noticed the blast of dust at lift off and the interesting sparks. I also noticed how the spacecraft morphs into a bright circular dot which appears out of focus and moved across the screen - it appeared to me that the camera was tracking that movement as well. Or could this be NASA later editing raw footage?

Anyway Seasons Greetings to all you ATS'ers out there in cyberspace.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
But here is a technical quesiton: who programmed the camera to zoom out @ 10s and pan up @ 12s? I believe that I read somewhere that this camera was pre-programmed from MSC. I would also like to know how this shot was timed, given 2s radio delay to the Moon. The zoom out / panning up seems to be very well synchronized.

It wasn't pre-programmed. The camera was controlled by a guy named Ed Fendell. And all it required was to simply start panning up a few seconds earlier to account for the delay. It just takes some practice.

The Russian's also controlled there two rovers from Earth with a delay and they managed just fine.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Another If I ran the Zoo Fallacy below:

I do not see any other way for that shot happening.

I'm sorry you don't see it, SayonaraJupiter. But in no way shape or form does that negate the issue.

Besides we have discussed this many times your gut feelings have nothing to do with the truth.

And they didn't ask you what you thought now did they?

reply to post by backinblack

But I will say one thing...
I too can speak in an attacking manor if you wish..
Your choice, debate or attack..
I can do either but I'm getting tired of the attacks.

Debating doesn't include the usage of "I" in anything now does it? How are you personal feelings a debate?

I can answer that for you, it's not.

Your debate consists of personal opinion and observations of biased judgment, based purely on speculation, referred to as "I".

Your position means nothing to the debate, yet you and others continue to base your arguments upon what you think or don't think about the situation, not on science itself which this topic is completely about.

So what do you know about debating? Does this mean that you and other might actually use facts and data From Apollo Missions develop you hypothesis, or you still going to beat the dead horse with the, "If I ran the Zoo Fallacy?"

I am still waiting for a real debate to happen in this thread. :shk:

Originally posted by theability
reply to post by FoosM

 

I suppose none, since landings and take-offs dont seem to disturb lunar soil.
Only walking on it does.

As usual Foosm you claim shows how little you research or pay attention to what you post.

Here is a nice video that shows the Lunar module disturbing the lunar surface.

Another bogus claim that takes like .00002 seconds to show your wrong.

Merry Xmas....

If that is true sir...
Then why are the footprints not disturbed?
Scattered to the winds so to speak?

reply to post by FoosM


Wow Foosm another most illogical question, maybe the most ignorant one of all!

If that is true sir...
Then why are the footprints not disturbed?
Scattered to the winds so to speak?

Who has returned to the moon to see if the lunar foot prints had been disturbed?

ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!!

:shk:

There isn't a single soul who can say whether or not that claim is true or false.

You get the badge of, "I don't think before I post award!"

Simple proof that you haven no idea what your talking about, for the the millionth time.

Late Note:

This is another perfect example of you claiming you have proof of a hoax with evidence that doesn't exist. You do not know that the footprints on the moon haven't been disturbed by the Apollo 17 LM Accent Stage. No one does yet you claim boldly and outright you know that they haven't been effected.

Making up your own reality once again Foosm? Sorry to burst your bubble but your wrong once agian.

Originally posted by theability
reply to post by FoosM

 

Wow Foosm another most illogical question, maybe the most ignorant one of all!

If that is true sir...
Then why are the footprints not disturbed?
Scattered to the winds so to speak?

Who has returned to the moon to see if the lunar foot prints had been disturbed?

ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!!

:shk:

So true, so true.
I love how you sneakily dismantle the NASA's hoax.

There isn't a single soul who can say whether or not that claim is true or false.

Yeah! Not even NASA and their expensive so called modern orbital surveying satellites can!
Good one sir!

You get the badge of, "I don't think before I post award!"

Do you always think before you walk? Cause for me those kind of things come effortlessly.
LOL.

Late Note:

This is another perfect example of you claiming you have proof of a hoax with evidence that doesn't exist. You do not know that the footprints on the moon haven't been disturbed by the Apollo 17 LM Accent Stage. No one does yet you claim boldly and outright you know that they haven't been effected.

Why are you only focusing on Apollo 17?

reply to post by theability


Fine,that's how you want it..
OK by me...

reply to post by FoosM

Why are you only focusing on Apollo 17?

Wow Foosm that is what mission it was in the video, you goof!

I know how hard it is for you to actually focus on one topic, like throughout this whole thread, you can't pay attention to detail about anything!

reply to post by backinblack



Again see how every comment you make is about you and how you feel?

Fine,that's how you want it..
OK by me...

Didn't I say stop talking about you and focus upon debate of Apollo?? I did indeed!

As I said here:

I am still waiting for a real debate to happen in this thread.

Another person that does what he say not to do!

reply to post by theability


lol, you are a clown..
Imagine saying I shouldn't use the word I in a debate..
That is just so stupid I'm left speachless..

How ignorant can one be ??

reply to post by FoosM

Then why are the footprints not disturbed?
Scattered to the winds so to speak?

There is no "wind" in the common Earth conception, on the Moon. No air. Haven't you grasped this concept YET???

When the Ascent Module engine fired....did you happen to notice a large "platform" that existed, underneath it??

As the exhaust gasses were deflected (only at first) horizontally.....they would only go so far, and have effective results on any objects in their path, within a very short distance. OR, do you not understand the concept? Of diffusion?? The properties of gasses, when diffused into a vacuum...since, in a VACUUM there is no ATMOSPHERE to be further affected, and thus have a (secondary) and longer (further distance) effect.

Do you rejoice in asking these kinds of questions?? Because, they are indicative of a lack of intellectual acumen that is astonishing.....if, indeed, it truly exists within your worldview. Lest you (or another ) feel inclined to "alert" this, it should be clearly stated that EACH and EVERY time these sorts of "questions" are posed, they are "repeats"....they have already been answered numerous times. The science is solid, and is able to be researched. One is limited in the conclusions one may draw, eventually, as to motives.......in this "repeat questions" game.

Ascent engine exhaust thrust force gasses mostly deflected horizontally, with minimal spillover downwards....AND rapidly losing effectiveness as a square of distance.

Compare to the VAST extent of the surface area that was disturbed by hours of Astronauts' walking around the LM. And you think that the area should have been, what??? MADE SMOOTH by the brief actions, and at great and ever-diminishing distance, of the ascent engine??? How can you expect anyone to take you seriously, if you attempt such an implication/assertion? Do you not realize how ridiculous that is???

Here, we know you love videos. Apollo 14 liftoff, from the DAC. They had not yet, on Apollo 14, thought to have the remote camera on the surface, so as to film it from outside:



Here, a view from outside, it's Apollo 15 now....using the camera that was mounted on the (first) LRV. Getting an exterior shot was deemed interesting. The camera mount on the Apollo 15 Rover turned out to be unreliable in tilt, near the end of the mission...and there would only be two more attempts, in order to satisfy curiosity and see the whole ascent (**). BTW, extra credit if you can point out some of the boneheaded comments that have been posted on this version of the liftoff:
(**) That is for "sayonarajupiter". The "timing" of remote-operating the camera.....given the TIME LAG due to the speed of light, and the distance.....



Apollo 16.....tilted up, but timing still off a bit:



Again, there's an inane comment posted on that vid....(only one, so far). Point if you can see WHY it's inane....

(Oh, of course, IF THIS WAS ALL "FAKE"??? Would have been perfect, each and every time, right??)

(Apollo "hoax" believers are truly lacking in logic and reasoning abilities...not to mention missing a good many other faculties).

Well, we've see the Apollo 17 LM Ascent Module liftoff...and not shown, here yet, is how much preparation and planning and practice went into it. (Being the LAST mission, and everything....no pressure, no pressure..../sarc).


Of course, the "hoax" believers (who never seem to do ANY actual research...OR, when they do, they ignore the mountain of evidence that disputes their bogus "hoax" claims) would not want anyone to realize that this one tiny detail of Apollo didn't occur in a "vacuum", but in stead, had much behind it, as many people discussed it:

During Apollo 15 EVA's, the camera developed a clutch problem in the tilt axis. Flight control deemed it too risky to tilt the camera during liftoff to follow the ascent stage. For Apollo 16 and 17, however, flight controllers did track the ascent stage. With the punch button command arrangement and a 3 to 4 second time delay, their command sequence had to be totally preplanned. I had worked with Ed Fendell for the Apollo 17 liftoff to get it exactly right for a long tracking shot. At liftoff, the action was perfect, but soon the image of the ascending capsule drifted out at the top of the frame. Ed was furious that, after all the calculations, we missed the mark. It was discovered later that the crew had parked the Rover buggy closer to the Lunar Module than was prescribed by mission plan, and the vertical tilting of the camera was too slow.

www.russelland.com...



It really is astonishingly easy to discredit each and EVERY "hoax" claim, each and EVERY time....


Good night, Moon "hoax" believers, wherever you are......

reply to post by theability

Didn't I say stop talking about you and focus upon debate of Apollo?? I did indeed!

As I said here:

My, you used "I" 3 times while telling me not to.

Why don't you practice what you preach?

It appears 90% of your posts are mere attacks on posters rather than "debating" as you suggest..

reply to post by backinblack

It appears 90% of your posts are mere attacks on posters rather than "debating" as you suggest..

You do know that your last three post would be removed if a mod saw them right? Off topic posts still focus on about how you feel, right?

No how is that debating Apollo science and Hoax issues?

So much for not attacking people backinblack.

Again for the record:
"I am still waiting for a real debate in this thread."

But more useless drivel here as in this post of yours:

lol, you are a clown..
Imagine saying I shouldn't use the word I in a debate..
That is just so stupid I'm left speachless..

How ignorant can one be ??

Wow and you don't attack people hmm.

Remember this is about, "Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!"

I am through with you, may you find bliss in your rather illogical non-sense you call a debate.

reply to post by theability

I am through with you, may you find bliss in your rather illogical non-sense you call a debate.

Best line I've seen you post..

Mods are well aware of the tactics some of you are employing..
I don't mind at all if they remove my post as long as they remove every other post attacking posters..

Heck, I got attacked for saying mate..

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Tomblvd

 

The point he is making is that we have been told the US government created a conspiracy to hoax the lunar landings. However, now we have many other countries, China, India, Japan, Russia (and the other countries of the old USSR), and the countries of the ESA who have all sent probes either to the moon or deep space, and not one of them have raised a single red flag concerning radiation or any other "show stopper" the conspiracy theorists say would keep us from getting to the moon. So now we must believe that every country mentioned is in on the conspiracy, or things happened as they historically did.

We hear very little out of them countries..China even showed an old NASA pic for some odd reson..
So how do you know there's no radiation concern.?
They haven't sent a manned flight yet. Not even Russia who were close to the US in space flight..

Every country that has sent a probe, not only to the moon, but out of LEO, has had the capacity to measure radiation. It is a very easy procedure to connect a detector to the telemetry. If radiation were some kind of "show stopper", the scientists and engineers, not to mention the politicians of ALL these countries would all know something was amiss. Yet we have seen not one scientist or engineer question Apollo. Not one. Why?