Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

Here are some fun videos for you all to enjoy I think the guy presenting it is annoying as hell, but he makes good points nevertheless





It's really incredible to see the LIES these moonhoax advocates will come up with to 'support' their claims. Some of those are exposed in this video:









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RED, white, blue FLAGS



They did a 'Bad Bad Thing'

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Al Shepard photographs Ed Mitchell and the flag during indoor EVA training. The S-band antenna is just beyond Ed. July 1970.

Wow, that flag looks like its on the moon, LOL

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Al Shepard pulls the top of the U.S. flag taut. The top of the flag has a hem shown on so that it will slip onto a telescoping crossbar that will hold it out on the airless moon. Al may checking to make sure the crossbar is fully extended. Note the dirt-filled box at the lower right into which Shepard will plant the staff. 28 August 1970.

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Ed Mitchell (left) pushes the lower section of the flagstaff into some lunar soil simulant inside the Training Building at the Cape. Al Shepard (right) walks toward him, apparently completing extension of the telescoping crossbar at the top of the flag. The MET can be seen in the plus-Y footpad beyond the S-Band antenna. 8 December 1970.

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Ed Mitchell (left) goes toward the LM mockup while Al Shepard works with the telescoping crossbar at the top of the flag. Scan by J. L. Pickering.

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Al Shepard practices the flag deployment in the KC-135. 4 November 1979.

Wow... these astros sure had a lot of practice putting up the flag.
I had no idea you would think after two times it would be enough, but I guess planting the flag right was just too important to not get right for those photo opportunities. But We all know that Kubrick was a perfectionist.

And I know what some are you thinking, they had to go through the whole EVA procedure to determine the time it took to do everything. Well that would also mean they would have to conduct the EVA on a location commensurate with the surface area that they would travel on. We call that 'blocking' which "refers to the precise movement and positioning of actors on a stage in order to facilitate the performance of a play, ballet, film or opera... in the context of cinema to speak of the arrangement of actors in the frame. In this context, there is also a need to consider the movement of the camera as part of the blocking process"

So its important where things are placed. Putting the flag in the shadow of the LM wouldnt be so picturesque, would it?

This post will basically cover the following pictures:
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Notice the crater in the back with the golf ball and Javelin.
How fortunate was that that they both landed in there.
But really, does anybody think that javelin and golfball are
far from the LM?
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135:21:17 Shepard: I have the SRC stowed.

135:21:19 Mitchell: Okay.

[Ed makes his way around the MET, comes part way toward the TV camera and gets himself into position to throw the SWC staff off-camera to the right.]
135:21:20 Shepard: Now, let's see what we got left. (Pause as Ed gets set) There's the greatest javelin throw of the century!
135:21:31 Mitchell: We'll see if it is.

135:21:33 Shepard: Old Lefty, himself. (Ed makes his throw) Outstanding! Right in the middle of the crater.

135:21:39 Mitchell: Stayed up.

135:21:40 Shepard: Stabilized spin!

135:21:41 Mitchell: Wasn't bad at all.

135:21:42 Shepard: Beautiful. Beautiful! (Pause)

135:21:50 Mitchell: Okay.

[Mitchell - "Okay, stop a minute. Hand me that briefcase."]
[Jones - "That was actually a fairly credible looking throw. You took a big hop forward, right leg leading, and got your left arm moving forward reasonably well, at shoulder height."]

[Mitchell - (Handing me a print of AS14-66- 9337) "Now, see if you can spot the javelin and the golf ball."]

[Jones - "Yeah, I've got them both there in a crater off to the north. There's Turtle Rock beyond them. This picture was taken out your window after the EVA. I see some MET tracks. I see your footprints coming back from the boulder field, going around this little crater. And there's the javelin and that's the golf ball there."]

[A detail from 9337 ( 275k ) shows the crater containing the javelin and one of the golf balls. The crater is labeled in a 5x enlargement of a detail ( 0.3 Mb from the November 2009 LROC image.]

[Mitchell - "Right there. The javelin went just a hair further than the golf ball."]

[It seems likely that the golf ball in this picture is the first one Al hit. In an interview with Ottawa Golf, Al claimed that the second ball landed in the general vicinity of the ALSEP. Note that the golf balls and the javelin were traveling from east to west - right to left in the photographs.]

I mean, can you imagine hitting a golfball on the moon?
Or throwing, javelin or even tossing a stick? How far would they go? By the way, out of all the things
to bring on the moon, like a remote controlled telescope that can take pictures of the stars, to bring golfballs?
What a joke. And why would you try to throw a rod like a javelin on the moon?

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Does that make sense with the PLSS, Bulky suit, etc?
Is there any footage of this wondrous moment?

An athlete can throw a javelin 60m from a standing position

That astro threw that Javelin like, what 40 meters? Thats impressive?
Worth demonstrating the 1/6th gravity and lack of atmosphere?
Now if he threw it to Turtle rock, then maybe we could talk.

Whenever I watch this



it reminds me how difficult it is to throw objects in 1/6th gravity and no atmosphere.
So maybe 40 meters is very special on the moon.
By the way, Dave could have knocked out / killed his partner, lol.

Oh and before anybody complains, 99% of the quotes are coming form the NASA journals, the rest you can copy and google and will find it in seconds. Its really not a big deal if you really think what is being written must be scrutinized.

Well Ok lets get to it:

As per checklist, Ed takes two pictures of Al out the window. These are AS14-66- 9229 and 9230.

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113:52:53 McCandless: Antares, this is Houston. You are Go for two-man EVA. Over.

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113:53:40 McCandless: Roger, Al. (Long Pause)
[The horizon tilts in the TV picture as Al raises the MESA to a comfortable working height.]

I have no idea why the camera would tilt. But take a look these video captures:

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Those are light sources (see arrows). From where? Its not the Sun, it cant be the landscape.

They look like spot lights to me.


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Oh come on, those are spot lights. Those spots are on the top portion of the helmet.
So dont tell me some nonsense its from the ground.
If its not spots, it must be some powerful stars.

Only way to know for sure if somebody can direct us to some good quality video.
NASA sure doesnt want us to see it, playing this silly game of providing bad quality REALVIDEO and higher quality, but edited MPEG clips.

113:55:44 McCandless: Okay, Ed. We can see you coming down the ladder, now.

113:55:54 Mitchell: And it's very great to be coming down.

113:55:56 McCandless: Roger. Bottom step. (Pause)

[Ed has his visor up - as Al did - and we can see the central white stripe of his Snoopy helmet. After getting to the bottom rung, he jumps off and falls slowly to the footpad, letting his hands slide down the outer ladder rails.]
113:56:08 Mitchell: That last one is a long one. (Pause) (Hopping back up to the first rung of the ladder, just barely) Ascent check. Very easy to do. A little push and just spring right up.
113:56:26 McCandless: I guess we got there with those lightweight (PLSS) units.

113:56:31 Mitchell: Yeah. Sure glad they did, too. That's great. (Pause)

[Mitchell - "This is a reference back to the conversation about the lightweight PLSSs that Ron Blevins handed in to us in training."]

LOL.

By the way this is some interesting info:

[Mitchell - "Right. That was a geologist in the Backroom trying to get eager, trying to think ahead about the surface and what sort of problem we were going to have with core tubes, etc. So they're just trying to get advanced information. And Bruce recognized that a question like that can break the flow of your concentration. That's why CapComs were always astronauts. Because other guys would tend to not understand the problem of breaking in with things that don't pertain to what's going on."]

[Jones - "Did CapComs do a lot of filtering? Did they ignore questions that they thought were inappropriate?"]

[Mitchell - "Well, if it came from the Flight Director, the question got asked. But they would pick and choose their time. And they'd fuss back and say, 'Hey, I don't think we'll ask them that now.'"]

You can read into it two ways.
One, to many questions would disrupt the flow of the EVA's etc. which at face value is logical.

Control the flow of info.

But, it can also be used to control questions that couldnt be answered if the mission was being faked. And using other astronauts kept the number of need to know people small, as well as further implicate or entrench them in supporting the hoax.

Here is something else that is interesting:

[Mitchell - "This is our first of example of distances being deceiving. It's difficult when you go into a clear environment where there's no obstruction to visibility. It's like going out in the great southwest with a clear view to the mountains and you'll misjudge that distance. And you get on the lunar surface where there's no air and no obstruction to visibility - except the curvature - and, again, you're misjudging distance. It's something in our brain; it's a visual acuity we're conditioned to. It's not just the relative size of things, but it's a relative clarity of things that's a cue to part of our distance estimating procedure. And, when you change that...Al is even missing a fifty foot estimation...because he normally could estimate that distance right to within a few inches. And there you see he missed it by at least ten feet. And I attribute part of that just to the fact that everything is new, strange, unfamiliar. And it is exceedingly difficult to estimate distance."]

However, as I pointed out before Apollo 12 landed about 535 feet from Surveyor:

Wow, what a lucky guess... LOL.

Also:

"Before reaching the surface, the commander reported seeing Surveyor III about 600 feet away and also stated that the LM had landed about 25 feet from the lip of a crater. He was on the lunar surface at 115:22:22."

114:21:19 Shepard: All right, just a second. Let me back it off a minute. And move this a little bit. (Pause) Okay, that's about it for azimuth. I'll come down a little bit.

114:21:34 Mitchell: Okay.

114:21:36 Shepard: Let me just check and see if that's the way we want to go. (Pause) (Garbled) pretty soon.

114:21:47 Mitchell: Okay.

114:21:49 Shepard: Okay, come on down a little bit.

114:21:50 Mitchell: Coming down. (Pause)

114:21:56 Shepard: Hold it.

114:21:57 Mitchell: Back up just a bit. Right there. Okay, I have the Earth centered.

114:22:05 Shepard: Okay.

114:22:08 Mitchell: Okay, Houston. Boresighted the Earth, dark side and all.

114:22:14 McCandless: This is Houston. Roger.

114:22:16 Shepard: Okay. The S-band antenna has been erected and aligned and the cable has been attached.

So let me get this straight, they had to point the S-BAND antenna towards earth to make it work?
How often did they align it? Maybe something worth investigating for those who have the time.

[Ed jumps up to the bottom rung of the ladder, just barely making it again. The most impressive jump we have in the TV record is Neil's at the end of his EVA.]

LOL. What are these guys, 75 years old?

Apollo 14

First EVA February 5 09:42:13 am 113:39:11
Second EVA February 6 03:11:15 am 131:08:13
Lunar liftoff 01:48:42 pm 141:45:40

Flag Position 1
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114:44:02
Down-Sun Al at the U.S. flag. S-Band antenna shadow, Ed's shadow, the LM shadow. Al's OPS antenna is up.
Before taking this series, they turned the flag so that it was face on to the 16-mm DAC mounted on the MET ( This is the orientation seen in the tourist pictures, AS14-66-9231, 9232, and 9233).

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114:45:46 Down-Sun portrait of Ed at the U.S. flag.

Flag Position 2

After they finished taking these three tourist pictures, they turned the flag so it was face on to the TV camera (Photo AS14-66-9324). See a discussion following 131:09:18.

Flag Position 3

During the current depressurization, at about 131:10:26, the flag suddenly moves out of the TV field-of-view and, as can be seen after 135:02:45 when Al gets back to the LM at the end of the traverse and re-aims the TV, it ends up pointing at the TV on an azimuth of about 045. A frame from Ed's Station H pan, AS14-68-9486 provides additional evidence.

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Flag Position 4

Finally, we note that AS14-66-9338, a picture taken out Ed's window after the PLSS jettison, shows that the flag has moved again, undoubtedly as a result of the pre-jettison depressurization; ending up pointing at an azimuth of about 335

As for the timing of the first flag motion - which is clearly a result of the EVA-2 depressurization - we note that the dump valve in the forward hatch was first opened at about 131:07:09. The interval from the second valve opening to the corresponding arrival at the CCIG - 190 meters from the LM - is about 30 seconds. The time at which the flag moves, 131:10:26. What seems to be required to explain the movement of the flag is that Shepard 'cracked' the hatch open - but without fully opening it - about 30 seconds before the third CCIG peak about 131:10:01; and that the resultant oxygen flow was far less directional than the flow out the valve, arrived at the flag before arriving at the CCIG, and imparted sufficient force on the flag to move it. The limited availability of Apollo 14 data does not allow us to be very precise; and what is required to sort out what actually happened is a detailed numerical simulation and/or carefully designed laboratory demonstration Thanks to Journal Contributors Ian Regan, Harald Kucharek, Ken Glover and to members of the Bad Astronomy bulletin board for raising the issue of the orientation of the Apollo 14 flag and for helpful input...

Hmmm... what did Bad Astronomy, and they do mean bad, say about the lack of crater on the moon?

Now here comes a little bit of math: the engine nozzle was about 54 inches across (from the Encyclopaedia Astronautica), which means it had an area of 2300 square inches. That in turn means that the thrust generated a pressure of only about 1.5 pounds per square inch! That's not a lot of pressure. Moreover, in a vacuum, the exhaust from a rocket spreads out very rapidly. On Earth, the air in our atmosphere constrains the thrust of a rocket into a narrow column, which is why you get long flames and columns of smoke from the back of a rocket. In a vacuum, no air means the exhaust spreads out even more, lowering the pressure. That's why there's no blast crater! Three thousand pounds of thrust sounds like a lot, but it was so spread out it was actually rather gentle.

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"In a vacuum, no air means the exhaust spreads out even more, lowering the pressure."

So how much pressure did it take to spin that Flag around? Why did it not continue to spin or flap? And why didnt it just fall over? It simply doenst make sense.

Check out the lift off.


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What did they do, superglue the flag pole into the ground?

And look at the first picture.
That flag looks like its flat on the ground!
I mean what the hell

Does US propaganda have no shame?

Lets continue.

AS14-66-9304 (OF300) ( 136k or 917k )
Up-Sun, but without a great deal of glare, perhaps because part of the LM shadow may be falling on Al's camera lens. Without the sun glare, we can see some detail on the Cone Crater ridge. Flag, S-Band antenna, ladder, the LRRR in the west footpad.

AS14-66-9303 (OF300) ( 86k or 659k )
Rightward of 9302, showing Ed, the U.S. flag, the S-Band antenna.

AS14-66-9324 (OF300) ( 181k or 1102k )
119:42:01 Leftward from 9323. This frame was taken out Ed's window between the two EVAs at about 20:45 GMT/UTC on 5 February 1971, and shows the flag and the MET at the LM between the EVAs. Note that, in addition to parking the MET in the shadow of the S-Band antenna, as per checklist they have put the S-Band cover on it. Good footprint and tire track definition. The flag is face-on to the TV camera, pointing on an azimuth of about 120. The Sun's elevation was about 16.4 degrees. See a discussion following 131:09:18.

AS14-66-9325

Track definition? Good god where are the tracks? Typical Apollo, always forgetting to add the tracks!

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More on the MET

118:13:53 Mitchell: Lay that (dustbrush) right there (on the MET) until tomorrow. (Pause as Al returns to the MET)

118:14:04 Mitchell: Okay. Watch the (TV) cable again. Hold it! Al, hold it.

118:14:10 Shepard: (Trying to hop off the cable) Holding it. (Long Pause)

[After getting free of the cable, Al moves the MET a short ways west, just out of the TV picture to the right. After Ed goes up to the cabin, Al will cover the second rock box with the S-band antenna cover to keep it from overheating during the rest period.]

You know what I dont get is why didnt they just move the MET in the shadow of the LM if they wanted to keep it cool?

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Note, he has walked with the MET passed the FLAG with no slow down so he definitely was going a distance away.

118:17:24 Shepard: The MET is parked in the Sun, 45-degree angle; S-band cover is on it. It looks like it's going to spend the night very comfortably.

But wait!

[AS14-66- 9324 is a picture of the MET taken between the EVAs out Ed's window. Note that Al parked the MET in the middle of the S-Band antenna's shadow. Note, also, the handle of the close-up camera sticking up beyond the far edge of the S-Band antenna cover.]

Ok which is it? Was the MET parked in the SUN or in the shadow of the SBand ANTENNA?
And again, if they wanted to keep the MET cool, why not park it in the shadow of the LM?
Or would it freeze? But thats impossible because the Sun is out right? LOL.


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I swear he just literally moonwalked off the screen, lol
Note: He walks behind the FLAG! If he is going to the MET, according to the picture
he should walk in FRONT of the flag, as well as we should see him covering the MET with his big white bulky suit.

118:18:50 Mitchell: Okay.
[Al comes back on camera, standing in deep shadow near the foot of the ladder and visible only as a dark patch against the sunlit surface beyond him.]

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Huh? Did he return? I didn't see him return on the videos...
And I still dont see the MET. So there was no readjustment in parking the MET in front of the flag.

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Flag has (been) moved. Maybe to fix the discrepancy between video and photo?
Maybe that astronaut did it, he didnt return to the LM did he? LOL.

MET returns in view, flag missing:
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Oy vey my head is spinning

So we got video and photo where we dont see a match up.

There are no tracks in the photo that you assume are made watching the video.
And the MET is not parked next to the Flag. Not only that, but the viewing angle of the photo
doesnt seem to correspond with the angle and distance of the flag to the LM from the video.

And...

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AS14-66-9338 (OF300) ( 115k or 759k )
Ed Mitchell took this splendid picture after he and Al Shepard jettisoned the PLSSs in preparation for launch. Of particular interest are the tracks made by the crew and the MET during the traverse to the ALSEP deployment site and during the return to the LM. Apollo 17 astronaut Jack Schmitt speculates that the descent plume sweeps away the fine particles of soil, leaving a surface dominated by small rock fragments that reflect sunlight from the down-Sun direction and make the surface look lighter in color than normal. In places where the surface is disturbed, the normal reflectivity of the surface is restored. Whatever the detailed explanation for this phenomenon, it is related to the fact that, from orbit, the area immediately surrounding a LM looks noticeably lighter in color. The ALSEP Central Station is about 180m from the LM. Note the excursions the crew made around the rimless crater in the foreground and the large depression in the middle distance that they traversed in both directions. Without the visual clues provided by the tracks, the depression is not easy to pick out in this down-Sun photo. Note that the flag is now pointing on an azimuth of about 335 and undoubtedly moved from it prior pointing of about 120 as a result of the cabin depressurization done for the jettison. See a discussion following 131:09:18.
Journal Contributor Yuri Krasilnikov has created a comparison between 9338, a 16-mm frame taken before the pre-launch RCS hot-fire check and a frame following the hot-fire check. Although the orientation of the first two images are different because of camera mounting, the flag orientation relative to, say, the PLSS, is the same. The final frame shows the result of the large flag motion during the hot-fire check. Krasilnikov also calls attention a difference in the orientation of the access flap on the flap shown as it was before the hot-fire check, closest to the LM in a detail from 9338.

Journal Contributor Jim Scotti notes that we "can see the impact 'crater' and roll marks made by the PLSS farthest from the LM. It rolled on it's side and you can see a fair bit of detail in the hoses and straps on the righthand side of it." Various PLSS imprints are indicated in detail.

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I superimposed two photos from two different EVAs.
Because the sun is a different position, we should expect the shadows to either shrink or grow and increase or decrease the same length. But they dont.

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Readers, you can take any mission and find tons of inconsistencies.
Mostly people hear the highlights of the moon hoax, but its in the details.

You can always tell when an ignorant person posts, by the way the page formatting here gets screwed up AGAIN. Once AGAIN, FoosM posts images that are too wide.

And yes, the ignorant will ALWAYS be able to find lots of 'inconsistencies', because they haven't got a clue.

May I suggest that such lengthy, long-debunked, completely ignorant, completely unoriginal and time-wasting posts simply be ignored.

But my offer stands - if ANYONE ELSE wishes to agree with FoosM, WITH REASONS, I'll happily address any NEW claims.

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I superimposed two photos from two different EVAs.

Hey Foosm you need to to include WHAT FRAME NUMBERS YOU GOOF!

Are you awake? You spend all this time to come up with something to post and can't even post the material correctly.

Including frame numbers is NOT AN OPTION!

Ask NASA and ATS ABOUT THAT!

You don't provide reference material for the video, the Images, just links to the the NASA site.

Get with the program Fast!

Here to show you that you haven't done this correctly read this from the Terms and Conditions of your Membership on ATS:

1c.) Intellectual Property: You will not post any copyrighted material, material belonging to another person, material previously posted by you on another website nor link to any copyrighted material without providing proper attribution, as defined by The Owners, to its original source. You will not use your postings on ATS to promote your own personal website or any other website with which you may be associated.

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Now what video's did you use?

:shk:

Kind of hard to check you work, when you don't let anyone know what you have done.

Again Foosm, such ignorance.

Edit to Add:

After looking at each link I can see you have stuff listed, but in any order? Nope.

Do you say what is the source for each of your points, Nope.

Just a wild rampage of incoherent babble about nothing.

You do know there is format to posting material right foosm?

Ahh why do I waste my time typing anything to you.

You have proven there is no hope for you anymore.



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If Stanley Kubrick was busy faking the moon landing, who was filming "Clockwork Orange?" (1971)

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Are you also implying that the entire Apollo program was filmed in England?

In 1962, Kubrick moved to England to film Lolita, and he would live there for the rest of his life.... After 2001, Kubrick initially attempted to make a film about the life of Napoleon Bonaparte. When financing fell through, Kubrick went looking for a project that he could film quickly on a small budget. He eventually settled on A Clockwork Orange (1971)..... ["The Shining" (1980)]...was shot entirely on London soundstages, with the exception of second-unit exterior footage, which was filmed in Colorado, Montana, and Oregon. In order to convey the claustrophobic oppression of the haunted hotel, Kubrick made extensive use of the newly invented Steadicam, a weight-balanced camera support, which allowed for smooth camera movement in enclosed spaces.

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You really need to do some very basic research before expounding your theories to the world.

I don't have time to analyze the rest of your over-sized post at the moment, but I can give you a sneak preview in three words: "earthlight" and "specular reflection."

Originally posted by FoosM
RED, white, blue FLAGS

They did a 'Bad Bad Thing'

-SNIP-

OK well you convinced me.. You're right.. They practiced too much with the flag, and that tells me they did it for a film made by Kubrick, because he was a perfectionist! Of course, man going to the moon for the first time wouldn't be an event you'd like to be prepared for..

LOL

It's hard to believe the nonsense you come up with. A bunch of arguments from silence.. I expect it to be A, they did B, therefore it didn't happen... isn't that what you're implying?

Anyway.. given your record in the rest of this thread, i don't think there's much of a point in debunking your stuff. Believe what you want, if that makes you feel better

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OMG!

I have seen WWu777 Posting once again! Obviously in another thread.

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Man we should all give him a U2U asking why he deserted his own thread!

Originally posted by FoosM
Well Ok lets get to it:

Okay, let's.

As per checklist, Ed takes two pictures of Al out the window. These are AS14-66- 9229 and 9230.

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113:52:53 McCandless: Antares, this is Houston. You are Go for two-man EVA. Over.

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113:53:40 McCandless: Roger, Al. (Long Pause)
[The horizon tilts in the TV picture as Al raises the MESA to a comfortable working height.]

I have no idea why the camera would tilt. But take a look these video captures:

If you read the transcript you posted, you might have some idea.

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Those are light sources (see arrows).

Correction. Those are reflections of a light source. The same light source, obviously. You speak in the plural as though every reflection requires a separate light source. Have you learned nothing from the earlier discussions about shadows?

From where? Its not the Sun, it cant be the landscape.

Correct: it is not the Sun. The ladder is in the shadowed side of the LM.

They look like spot lights to me.

Why? Why do these look like spotlights to you? Do you see a pool of light from these spotlights anywhere? Again, I note the plural. Why would a special effects team that was trying to recreate the "inky blackness" of a shadow in a vacuum use filler lights? It would ruin the entire effect.

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Oh come on, those are spot lights. Those spots are on the top portion of the helmet.
So dont tell me some nonsense its from the ground.
If its not spots, it must be some powerful stars.

"Oh come on..." Very persuasive reasoning. Those reflections are indeed on the top part of the helmet, suggesting they are coming from nearly directly overhead. (Two correct observations!)

Why do you ask if the reflections are caused by stars? I hope it's not because you think that each reflection requires a separate light source (still). Let me ask a series of rhetorical questions. Why do moon hoaxers worry about why stars don't show up on photographs taken on the Moon? Why don't they question something much more obvious? Like why, in all the panoramas the astronauts took, you can never see the Earth? There are only a handful of images of the Earth taken from the surface of the Moon, always from a very low camera angle. (BTW, Kubrick put the Earth in nearly every scene on the Moon's surface in 2001.) It's because, physical librations aside, the Earth always stays in the same place in the lunar sky. From the latitudes and longitudes of the Apollo landing sites, this was always within 30 degrees of vertical. In other words, the Earth, the second brightest light source on the Moon was always pretty much directly overhead. The source of that blue, point-like reflection on the astronaut's helmet and the shiny bits of the LM is the Earth! The more complicated patterns you see glistening on the helmet in the closer shots is due to the earthlight shining through overhanging rendezvous radar antenna rig, plus back-scattered light being reflected of the downward slanting LM windows.

Only way to know for sure if somebody can direct us to some good quality video.

Or you can go out and look for it yourself.
Note: Lengthy irrelevant quote removed. Summary, "The Capcom, or Capsule Communicator was responsible for keeping the lines of communication with the astronauts simplified. He prioritized the questions from ground control to keep the astronauts focussed on the task at hand."

You can read into it two ways.
One, to many questions would disrupt the flow of the EVA's etc. which at face value is logical.

Control the flow of info.

Yes. That would indeed be logical. Are we going to settle for being logical?

But, it can also be used to control questions that couldnt be answered if the mission was being faked. And using other astronauts kept the number of need to know people small, as well as further implicate or entrench them in supporting the hoax.

*sigh* And you probably think that "maybe" means it's evidence.

Edit to correct complicated formatting.

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I thought this well thought out paragraph needed some praise:

There are only a handful of images of the Earth taken from the surface of the Moon, always from a very low camera angle. (BTW, Kubrick put the Earth in nearly every scene on the Moon's surface in 2001.) It's because, physical librations aside, the Earth always stays in the same place in the lunar sky. From the latitudes and longitudes of the Apollo landing sites, this was always within 30 degrees of vertical. In other words, the Earth, the second brightest light source on the Moon was always pretty much directly overhead. The source of that blue, point-like reflection on the astronaut's helmet and the shiny bits of the LM is the Earth! The more complicated patterns you see glistening on the helmet in the closer shots is due to the earthlight shining through overhanging rendezvous radar antenna rig, plus back-scattered light being reflected of the downward slanting LM windows.

An excellent job at explaining!!!

I give you a million thumbs!!!

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Thank you.
*blush*

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Thank you.
*blush*

Here is the reasons why:

• You had the patients to respond to Foosm
  
• You didn't give up and decide it is not good to reply to foosm and close the window out like I have six or seven times tonight
  
• Last I couldn't have found better words to explain it without having my post removed
  
  

You get gold stars for your vigilance

Originally posted by DJW001
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If Stanley Kubrick was busy faking the moon landing, who was filming "Clockwork Orange?" (1971)

1971 was the premier date. It was shot in 1970.

Plus, what makes you think there is sooo much footage in Apollo 14?
There isnt much. And most of it is static shots. So even if both projects happened on the same year it would have been possible to film both. Also, Im guessing Apollo 11, 12 were shot the same time. 13 by itself (Kubrick busy filming) 14 by itself. And 15, 16 and 17 at the same time. In other words, a lot of it was pre-filmed long before it was broadcasted.

www.indelibleinc.com...

Are you also implying that the entire Apollo program was filmed in England?

In 1962, Kubrick moved to England to film Lolita, and he would live there for the rest of his life.... After 2001, Kubrick initially attempted to make a film about the life of Napoleon Bonaparte. When financing fell through, Kubrick went looking for a project that he could film quickly on a small budget. He eventually settled on A Clockwork Orange (1971)..... ["The Shining" (1980)]...was shot entirely on London soundstages, with the exception of second-unit exterior footage, which was filmed in Colorado, Montana, and Oregon. In order to convey the claustrophobic oppression of the haunted hotel, Kubrick made extensive use of the newly invented Steadicam, a weight-balanced camera support, which allowed for smooth camera movement in enclosed spaces.

en.wikipedia.org...

I dont understand, what are YOU implying? Filmmakers can only film in the countries that they live in?

You really need to do some very basic research before expounding your theories to the world.

Oh I do, thank you very much, I could advise the same to you before you make replies.

I don't have time to analyze the rest of your over-sized post at the moment, but I can give you a sneak preview in three words: "earthlight" and "specular reflection."

Earthlight, pleeeze... I cant wait for you to show us how.

Earthlight, pleeeze... I cant wait for you to show us how.

Not meaning to be smart buuuuuut ... I think if you've ever heard the phrase 'moonlight' you'll be answering a lot of your own question.

The sun is not the only source of light. Everything is a source of light. Hold two objects close to one another and you'll see the light will bounce together. Those reflections are nothing unusual, and certainly don't look like spot lights to me.

Originally posted by payt69

Originally posted by FoosM
RED, white, blue FLAGS

They did a 'Bad Bad Thing'

-SNIP-

OK well you convinced me.. You're right.. They practiced too much with the flag, and that tells me they did it for a film made by Kubrick, because he was a perfectionist! Of course, man going to the moon for the first time wouldn't be an event you'd like to be prepared for..

LOL

It's hard to believe the nonsense you come up with. A bunch of arguments from silence.. I expect it to be A, they did B, therefore it didn't happen... isn't that what you're implying?

Anyway.. given your record in the rest of this thread, i don't think there's much of a point in debunking your stuff. Believe what you want, if that makes you feel better

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Oh how I love posts like these!

Thats right, continue to look for things that you are not scared to talk about.


Im sure smart readers know that planting the flag as practice and referencing Kubrick was simply a joke. Obviously it doesn't prove anything, its there to create atmosphere. And you know it. In the spirit of debate its light and fun. But you cant have fun when people point out Apollo is a sham can you? It hurts you deep. There is never a debate when it comes to the Apollo Defense Force. I told you guys, I understand your pain, but you are going to have to go through it if you are ever going to learn to recognize when you have been had by your ever trusting government.

Your post is a tactic I've seen it before. You cant debate on the facts, so you look to bring down the argument by making an issue of something irrelevant. All you are doing is making yourself look like a spoiled brat who cant get his way.


I know I know...

"Facts, what facts? I dont see no stinking facts! Blah blah blah"

You're 'Eyes Wide Shut' baby

Now we are including film studios, directors, photography assistants, their assistant's assistants, wardrobe managers, props managers, set coordinators, as well as half of NASA and higher up government officials.

Why have none of these people, or even their children or grandchildren not written a credible autobiography or come forward to tell the story; whether for some pragmatic sense of duty or for the quick million-dollar check they would receive for the movie adaption?

Show whatever photos, stills and videos you will like, say whatever you wish, but the Moon Landing Hoax doesn't hold water during even the smaller stages of logical testing.

This has grown into a ridiculous religion, proving mans natural need for a more controllable world.


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