Arizona vandals smear swastika made of refried beans into Capitol doors

Originally posted by Light of Night
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

Read the bill.

All the bill does is gives Arizona authorities to enforce Federal law. The bill doesn't give police authority to just stop people and ask for their "papers".

Thats right. What is at the core of this issue is someone putting an end to the gravy train.

reply to post by Logarock


Pretty much. A bunch of politicians are seeing their future voting base being threatened. Business are seeing their cheap labor threatened. A bunch of non-profit groups are seeing their funds getting threatened. The federal government is seeing an issue actually beginning to get solved which means peoples attentions will be focused on other major legislation.

For once a state actually does something to help out the people and people slam it to the ground. Could the bill go further and give more focus on other areas where illegals are a problem? Sure it can and should, but this is a start.

Is this going to cause illegals to run to other states? It sure is, but it's going to force other states to do the same thing. It's time for all this PC crap to end and actually start to fix the problems and tell the race baiters were shove it.

I hate this bill too! I believe that all the Mexicans should be able to come here illegally to get their free welfare/medicaid/foodstamps and sell drugs without having too go through the hassle of showing the police their drivers license when they are suspected of doing something wrong...Its totally racist!

[edit on 27-4-2010 by Niccawhois]

swattiska out of freoides...re fried beans..poetic irony
Beaners unite under "This is our country!" only it isnt!
how many Americans are in Mexico illegally working and sending their pay back to the US, how many Mexican providences have English as their unoffical language, how many Americans are crosing the Mexican border illegally bringing Americans into Mexico to work...
The list goes on.....please people if you dont live there then you have no right to judge those who are trying to deal with the situation ..so far within the provisions of State and Federal Law.
Federal Troops did not win the war that lead to the formation of our nation...Militias did!

[edit on 27-4-2010 by jbmitch]

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by FiatLux
My point is, sooner or later, after staying the course for so long without results, do we take matters into our own hands? I believe we have every right to.

No you don't!

“The controversial new Arizona immigration-enforcement law raises several important legal issues and will certainly be challenged in court. The U.S. Constitution makes it clear that the federal government alone has the responsibility to enact and enforce immigration laws.

“In addition, the law might lead to racial profiling and possible violations of the Fourth Amendment, which guarantees the right against unreasonable searches and seizures, and the Fourteenth Amendment, which guarantees equal protection under the law.”

www.newswise.com...

Where does it end???
No, wrong question!

The question is.. where does it start!!!!!!!!

Ahhhh The U.S. Constitution. For US Citizens

US Bill of Rights
www.archives.gov...
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Mexican Constitution For Mexican Citizens
www.ilstu.edu...

Mexican Bill of Rights
countrystudies.us...


Illegal aliens from Mexico have no rights here!

I have to say that I agree with the bill. The state government should have the right to demand is own laws, in fact the states should have more power than the federal government.

The illegal immigrants in this county are really straining our systems & using our jobs. I'm not racist by any means but ' you've got to come into this country the right way" Canada is very strict on foreigners, do we call them the bad guys..NO' they’re first job is to look out for their countrymen & women’s best interest.

I do hope that with special training, the police can learn to better identify illegal’s, because it is an unfortunate infringement on people rights to constantly have to carry documentation like a Jew under Hitler, but the idea behind this law is sound and reasonable.

Since they used beans, can I we call them beaners? No ? Sorry..........

Second Line.

If the border issue isn't solved yesterday fast I see this situation parraleling 1930s germany even more.

I have to say i am getting annoyed with the misuse of the Swastika, anytime its used, seen or mentioned, one can bet the Nazis will come up right along with it.. some may know this, some may not, but thanks to the Nazis who had stolen the symbol, its been a sign for racism and evil, when in reality, thats not at all what this symbol represents.. It is an early Rune of the Vikings, in their Mythology, seen, understood and given to the people by the All Father himself, Odin.. its a Rune of great potential, empowerment and luck.. nothing more, nothing less.. and is extremely valuable in Magicks, and anyone who has studied or practiced Runes in their life, know how it 'works'..

As for the refried beans, yeah, only a white person would come up with that one! Oye Veh.. can you imagine the people (or persons) involved, getting caught and sent to jail for a hate crime?, then when asked what they are in for, i would imagine them lowering their heads and shamefully explaning..'refried beans man' lol.. thats some imagery

reply to post by iamsupermanv2


Huh? So they are going to stop and ask a white looking american citizen for their immigration papers? Allowing the police to racial is a violation of the constitution. It says there can't be a law discriminating against you regardless of race, color, nationality, religion or belief.

Or am i forgetting that it only applies to certain people? You can't tell just by looking at someone with 100% certainty if they are here legally or illegally, and that's what's wrong. When the Europeans flooded into America, like the European Jews, Congress complained as usual, but never said let's profile all white people to make sure they are citizens. Where random white folks stopped in the streets after WW2 and asked for their immigration papers?

What do you ALL say to those of mexican descent that is actually fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq huh? I think your here illegally so your going to have to show me some papers?

Could there be a civil rights problem? hell yea, if the law is abused.

If the law is abused, are you kidding me? It's okay for the police offers to racial profile people and you say that it's okay as long as it ain't abused! . Why don't we start racially profiling white people as well as much as it done to everyone else, let this shoe go on the other foot and see how much others can tolerate that sub human treatment.

We don't need new immigration laws because the ones on the books aren't even enforced to the extent that they need to. If this government actually did what was right for once, our troops would be in Mexico kickin drug lord ass and not those people on the other side of the globe.

Whenever i see crap like this i am reminded of how many white folks thought black folks where asking for too much too soon during the civil rights marches. My point is this; "As long as it ain't affecting me, then it can't be bad" And that's the attitude i'm getting from this country. As long as it doesn't affect the majority then the hell with the interest with eveyone else.

Yes we need some kind of comprehensive immigration reform, but allowing the police to racially profile someone is not the way. They need to add a disclaimer statement to that good ol sayin of "Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" that it only applies to those of a certain skin tone, because we all know that the cops in Arizona won't be stopping white folks driving their cars.

Eh... must be a republican govenor.. geez.. thought people learned from bush to vote against republicans

Originally posted by Hadriel
Since they used beans, can I we call them beaners? No ? Sorry..........

Second Line.

"well since the message was un-signed I think we are free to call them whatever...Beaners was the ironic part of re-fried beans..no laws against that. If the authors of the message were concerned about the credit they would of signed it Jose, Jesus, or whoever..."

reply to post by cenpuppie


"If the law is abused, are you kidding me? It's okay for the police offers to racial profile people and you say that it's okay as long as it ain't abused"

"I do it all day at work anyway..its called a "security requirement" they dont seem to care about race or gender,,simply are you supposed to be here.."

il·le·gal   /ɪˈligəl/ [ih-lee-guhl]
–adjective
1.forbidden by law or statute.

Arizona passes a law supported by the majority of 'legal' citizens and our government stands against it with the Illegal immigrants. What part of the above definition is so confusing to the people opposing this? Who's country is this?

Nazi swastika in beans...does anybody really think that this was done by a hate group? Let me provide you links to the numerous news stories of self-inflicted hate statements.

In regards to the Nazi comparisons of asking for papers...who's fault is it that we have reached this point? Bleeding hearts in their infinite wisdom have provided Illegals easy access to every unique identifiers of US Citizenship such as Drivers Licenses and Social Security cards. Asking for papers is the only recourse we have because you've destroyed all the other paths to prove citizenship. This is like taking away a police forces entire non-lethal arsenal and then get mad when they have to draw a gun to protect themselves. What else are they to do?

I personally am sickened by all of this. In effect Obama and the Federal Gov't and others are taking the stand that:

Allow people to come to US illegally, allow illegals to take jobs, allow illegals to siphon off limited and valuable public resources - GOOD

Enforce the laws, protect the borders, attempt to control our public resources so that US Citizens get greater benefits - BAD, VERY BAD.

Again, who's country is this????

PS - In 20% unemployment what happened to the old favorite saying "They're only doing jobs American's won't"..I don't hear that tired and inappropriate axiom much anymore.

I don't know if I've mentioned this in this thread or not, but requiring immigrants to carry their green card or for visitors to carry their passports on them at all times is not anything close to Nazi Germany. In fact next to anybody of age goes to the bar just forget your ID at the house. The bar is going to refuse to serve you, one that you are not a regular at at least.

Anyway this law does not give authority to the police to just stop anybody and ask for their "papers". The police have to engage people during the normal course of duty i.e. traffic stops, loitering, etc.

I guess some people here want to give them all amnesty. That has already been tried and now do you see the problem we are dealing with?

reply to post by cenpuppie


You know what? I am aware that what you are doing here. You are making this a race issue. It's not..sorry..won't play that game.

This is one of two issues 1) the issue of a state taking over where the federal government has FAILED 2) people speaking on this when they are OBVIOUSLY unaware of the situation. The people of Arizona are full and well for this legislation. That is ALL that matters. (go ahead and use extreme examples asking if they wanted to kill people is that "ALL that matters".) We have a system of checks and balances in this country to fix abuses like that, but this is not an abuse.

Sometimes, in order to right a long history of a wrong, you have to look a bit bad. I know that legal, brown skinned people in Arizona are going to get stopped for no damn reason. I wish it was easier to tell who was illegal there, but the typical description for a male or female would be the same. Sorry. Same if they were looking for a 6 foot 1 average looking blonde dude. All in a certain area would be stopped. That's how this sort of thing works.

There will be officers who abuse this and the state of arizona should fire them. If Arizona plays this right, they can take care of two problems: illegal immigrants and corrupt cops.

But it doesn't matter what I think. It doesn't matter what you up there in North Carolina think. It's what Arizona thinks. And they think this law is A-Ok. So let them live the way they want to. After all, isn't that what America is about? Allowing their CITIZENS to live the way they wish?

Firstly, any documented alien is, and has always been, required to carry their "papers" with them at all times, most commonly your Green Card - no one seems to be aware of this small fact during all the hubbub. That is a Federal Law.

The problem isn't that a state (my own as it happens) has set the same standards as the federal government, the problem is that Arizona will actually enforce them - that's what is scaring the feds and our friends south of the border.

Texas and New Mexico are quietly watching this to see how it plays out - and they may well follow our lead.

What brought this issue to a head was the recent murder of an Arizona rancher. Up until that point the Mexicans had only been murdering and kidnapping each other, and quite honestly no one much cared, but they crossed the line when they murdered a US citizen, and having sown the wind they will now reap the whirlwind.

Arizona will not back down on this one, this is what the people want.

reply to post by Retseh


What people need to understand is the real crime problem in Arizona and Phoenix in particular. Phoenix is the NUMBER TWO city in the WORLD for kidnapping. The entire world. It's not a problem with any other ethnic group but the Hispanics from Mexico. The state has no other choice but to try and weed out and deport anyone, and I mean anyone, who is illegally in the state. Other states will be forced to follow suit since the Feds refuse to address the problem nor help the states!

Zindo

The bottom line is that there are simply not enough jobs. Our president knows this and is making it clear by what he is NOT doing.

He may say he doesn't agree with AZ but he is not presenting legislation to stop it.

The reason California has not done it is the threat of massive violence from Mexican gangs. Arizona is the test case to see how it goes over.

The constitution does not mention the right to a job. What is more humane, sujecting more americans to poverty-related crime or forcing the mexican govt to deal with the insane concentration of wealth in their country?

A hungry man will revolt. Better do so in a country that needs it more than we do.

Better see the protests in mexico.

Sorry, but I find this terribly funny. That had to have been one of the most delicious swastikas of all times.

Seriously, just when I think the syncophants and nationalist fools in America and illigitimate whiners from south of the border can't make things any more comical... OOPS.

They do.

Thanks for the chuckle. If I wasn't laughing I'd be projectile vomiting from the bile called an immigration discussion around here.