Covert "Container Missile" Changes Warfare

i think its a wicked cool idea good for russia BAD for us

i think its a wicked cool idea good for russia BAD for us

good investment for smaller nations , for defensive purposes.

however i forsee a more sinister use for these containers, by nations who will use these kind of weapons as revenge weapons , filled with biological or chemical or nuclear payload and aimed at civilian targets..

for revenge weapons , would it matter if US successfully destroy the nation that launched it ? is it worth having thousands or even millions civilian casualties in US soil ? Maybe these revenge or blackmail weapon will be the future trend for many small nations to stop US aggression.

originally posted by: buntalanlucu
good investment for smaller nations , for defensive purposes.

however i forsee a more sinister use for these containers, by nations who will use these kind of weapons as revenge weapons , filled with biological or chemical or nuclear payload and aimed at civilian targets..

for revenge weapons , would it matter if US successfully destroy the nation that launched it ? is it worth having thousands or even millions civilian casualties in US soil ? Maybe these revenge or blackmail weapon will be the future trend for many small nations to stop US aggression.

To stop US aggression huh...

I get so tired of hearing that #. With all the crap Russia is doing and China and North Korea and you try to point at "us aggression" and you will use Iraq as your example.

Look at the Ukraine, look at North Korea shelling the south, look at China in the south China Sea sinking fishing vessels. The USA has not been 100% in the right by any means but we are not some evil empire. The oil in Iraq is now owned by the people in Iraq, we are trying to build a free society in Afghanistan. Maybe your media spins this stuff as bad and to some extent it is when you consider the innocent people that were killed in the process but lets not go overboard.

The American people give more money and supplies around the world than most other nations combined. Most of modern medicine and technologies have sprung from America. So you continue to bad mouth it and claim "US Aggression" and i will keep shaking my head. But alas... the world is not a fair place is it?

lol

what's the purpose of this? To get a shot in before being decimated?

any launch, particularly a serious one like a nuke is basically an excuse for the US to unload on you with no one able to question the response

we have what? a few thousand warheads on submarines around the world?

I'd be more worried the US buys one of these "requisitions" some cargo ship at sea and uses it as an excuse to attack someone...

I think if you googled the term armored box launcher, you'll find out were the russians stole the idea from in the first place. Also, there is only one russian weapon system that I really fear ? It's called the AK. Aside from that, I'm not worried, we have AI robots that drop precision guided munitions from orbit. What else you got? A shipping container doesn't really scare me. But then again, I'm already a dead man, so WHY would I worry?

originally posted by: asims33


To stop US aggression huh...

I get so tired of hearing that #. With all the crap Russia is doing and China and North Korea and you try to point at "us aggression" and you will use Iraq as your example.

last time i checked, the only country invading other countries is USA... You sounds like someone who really believed in the evil doctrine of American Exceptionalism , in that america have the right to do anything to anyone if it deemed necessary..

wake up before the world goes up in flames over the boundless agression of america

Why has an interesting thread been turned political when it's supposed to be about weapons?

it is quite a good idea and I'd be surprised if it's a new one. As someone has pointed out it's satellite guided..so I don't see some extremists cruising up the Hudson with one on a barge just yet. But if the guidance method can be changed to something a bit more simple then I would worry. Hard to detect weapons are some of the worst and most effective. It's in Russian interests to keep this weapon system relatively exclusive because it could easily end up being used against them in time.

originally posted by: sg1642
Why has an interesting thread been turned political when it's supposed to be about weapons?

it is quite a good idea and I'd be surprised if it's a new one. As someone has pointed out it's satellite guided..so I don't see some extremists cruising up the Hudson with one on a barge just yet. But if the guidance method can be changed to something a bit more simple then I would worry. Hard to detect weapons are some of the worst and most effective. It's in Russian interests to keep this weapon system relatively exclusive because it could easily end up being used against them in time.

it is safe to assume many hidden weapons already put in place by certain state actor inside US soil and waiting for activation. a kind of blackmail weapons

originally posted by: sg1642
Why has an interesting thread been turned political when it's supposed to be about weapons?

it is quite a good idea and I'd be surprised if it's a new one. As someone has pointed out it's satellite guided..so I don't see some extremists cruising up the Hudson with one on a barge just yet. But if the guidance method can be changed to something a bit more simple then I would worry. Hard to detect weapons are some of the worst and most effective. It's in Russian interests to keep this weapon system relatively exclusive because it could easily end up being used against them in time.

Doesn't need a orbital satellite. Plop a guidance system on a weather balloon and blammo a quick and ready missile defense system. Without the Russians consent.

Really though this isn't all the big a deal, it would be if they applied current engineering to it and made it fit on the back of a long bed pickup.

***SIDE NOTE***

Really people? If you only the US is bad, then how do you feel about what Russia has been up to? (North Korea, Syria, Sudan, or just look at a lot of South America)

a reply to: JanusFIN

OK this was something I didn't even think about till just now.

From CNN: Russian Convoy to Ukraine

Could these trucks be carrying those systems talked about in the OP? More then likely not, but since it's out there now seems a little to convenient.

originally posted by: Guyfriday

originally posted by: sg1642
Why has an interesting thread been turned political when it's supposed to be about weapons?

it is quite a good idea and I'd be surprised if it's a new one. As someone has pointed out it's satellite guided..so I don't see some extremists cruising up the Hudson with one on a barge just yet. But if the guidance method can be changed to something a bit more simple then I would worry. Hard to detect weapons are some of the worst and most effective. It's in Russian interests to keep this weapon system relatively exclusive because it could easily end up being used against them in time.

Doesn't need a orbital satellite. Plop a guidance system on a weather balloon and blammo a quick and ready missile defense system. Without the Russians consent.

Really though this isn't all the big a deal, it would be if they applied current engineering to it and made it fit on the back of a long bed pickup.

***SIDE NOTE***

Really people? If you only the US is bad, then how do you feel about what Russia has been up to? (North Korea, Syria, Sudan, or just look at a lot of South America)

Apart from "concept" discussions dating from a few years ago, I can't seem to find anything that suggests these systems are real and being built.
Maybe the thread is being resurrected simply for another round of Russian booga booga, as they are new media bogeymen right now, along with ISIS.

I would agree with that too. The US government are not exactly the only villains around. the last time nations seemed so intent on beating chests, showing off bigger/ better toys and expanding their territory, a young man used a pistol in Sarajevo and things spiralled into chaos. I hope tensions don't rise to the point where the above weapon ends up being used. Sabre rattling doesn't get anyone anywhere and you would have thought man would learn from his mistakes. Apparently not.

a reply to: JanusFIN

Does anyone else hear that big spewing sound?
Its the air going out of our bloted national defence budget.
All we need to do is buy, or build, a few hundred such containers and hire a bunch of truckers to haul them around thoughout the world. After they are inside a countries defensive line they would be almost impossible to stop as a first strike or retaliatory system.

Of course, other countries can do the same thing.
This "could " be the answer to real "world peace". If every nation already had its weapons riding around on its enemies roadways, we would all have to play nice.

originally posted by: teamcommander
a reply to: JanusFIN

Does anyone else hear that big spewing sound?
Its the air going out of our bloted national defence budget.
All we need to do is buy, or build, a few hundred such containers and hire a bunch of truckers to haul them around thoughout the world. After they are inside a countries defensive line they would be almost impossible to stop as a first strike or retaliatory system.

Of course, other countries can do the same thing.
This "could " be the answer to real "world peace". If every nation already had its weapons riding around on its enemies roadways, we would all have to play nice.

I don't think that would go down very well. Can you imagine the uproar if some of these turned up on American or British soil? I think it would work well as part of an invasion plan. Sneak some of these across a nations boarder and you have the means for a preemptive strike on key targets that has come from the inside and is practicality untraceable.

This weapons is true stealth weapon because it can hitch a ride on the massive container ship traffic and unnoticable until it is activated.. if it is equipped with Nuke warhead , then it is impossible to stop once it landed on US soil.. the only way to stop is when it is in transit..

a reply to: sg1642

It would seem you are understanding my train of thought on this one.

Yeah it could be a trojan horse kind of weapon. Although I think the fact it is in a shipping container is maybe exaggerating it's effectiveness. If you look at it like this, why not just sneak a container with portable anti tank missiles or anti aircraft missiles hidden within across a border? It's getting it across the border that is the issue. If it's that easy to do I'm sure AQ etc would have done it already and launched an attack.

originally posted by: sg1642
If it's that easy to do I'm sure AQ etc would have done it already and launched an attack.

Well that's missing the point somewhat, you are not trying to smuggle your missiles into anywhere, just have some missiles in some surprising places hiding in plain sight.