All Roads Lead to Rome

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Concurrent to the destruction of the Library of Alexandria was the murder of Hypatia. Her death represents (to me) the absolute conquest of the pagan religions. She was a beautiful, intelligent teacher at the worlds most prodigeous school of philosophy. She was loved and admired throughout the civilized world and that sealed her fate. Knowledge is a dangerous thing to those who require subjegation.

Originally posted by masqua
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Concurrent to the destruction of the Library of Alexandria was the murder of Hypatia. Her death represents (to me) the absolute conquest of the pagan religions. She was a beautiful, intelligent teacher at the worlds most prodigeous school of philosophy. She was loved and admired throughout the civilized world and that sealed her fate. Knowledge is a dangerous thing to those who require subjegation.

Yes, I remember.

reply to post by poet1b

Certainly the banking elites took advantage, but they take advantage of everything they possible can.

No, my friend, they create their luck and opportunity. Nothing happens by accident, but is planned and carried out. For someone that claims to know so much about JP Morgan, you really should research the man a bit more thoroughly. Everything the guy did was a swindle, planned, created, and then carried by him. No one is that lucky Hell, his first business deal was a conn job, orchestrated by him,and quoted from your source.

You do realize that attacking the source, which is one of your favorite ploys, is a very weak tactic and a logical fallacy? Address the information in the source, and stop resorting to cheap tricks. The information in the source can be verified by several other sources, and every one of the five sources that I quoted above. You on the other hand provide a source that actually bolsters mine and Protos case, and have yet to provide a single source that actually bolsters your convoluted interpretation of what are clear historical events.

As far as The Great Depression, the only real wealth that disappeared was the gold that was confiscated by FDR, the farms and houses taken by the banks, the livestock, crops, and milk that were destroyed by FDR's price fixing schemes, all of which was designed to prolong the suffering of the poor and the middle class. Some of the wealthy lost their wealth, others just lost a protion of their wealth, but most of the super rich just got richer. This is what you would call a clear redistribution of wealth. It didn't just disappear, but went into the hands of the bankers and their friends. The rest was on paper only.

As for Morgan not being a Catholic???? The Rothschilds were Jews. As Proto has said about fifty times. It's not about religion... its about power.

reply to post by HothSnake


i haven't been following the argument line but i just thought i'd remind you

of what are clear historical events.

does not jive with proto's theory that ALL history is made up by rome. just for the record. unless we are now going to let some history not be made by rome? ain't dat convenient!

Well, undo, the history that I am referring to is pretty much undisputed, except in the mind of poet1b, who has one of the better penchants that I've ever seen for being wrong on just about everything.

One of his biggest problems is that he's a Democrat, which blinds him from any semblance of objectivity. His distaste of Reagan is obvious, and his lack of attention to Carter is almost hilarious. How anyone that can claim to know anything about economics and then claim that the middle class was better off in the 70's then they were in 85, is just laughable.

He confuses things like free markets and fascism, while bashing everyone that doesn't agree with him.

His contention, that I assume he gathered from the Domocratic platform, that the answer for all of the ills in the world is government, is also laughable.

You're right, there's no such things as a Roman conspiracy, but the big bad Republicans are ruining us all. If only there was a democrat in office, everything would change????? Oh wait, Clinton was in office, and he had two terms to screw up the economy, which he then passed on to Bush (remember, the tech bubble burst before Clinton was even a lame duck). Oh yeah, and I'm sure that Obama will change everything for the better.

reply to post by HothSnake


disputed, undisputed.
you think whether people argue about it or not, determines its validity? you sure about that?

carnageandculture.blogspot.com...

Well at least Proto has me going though all this ancient history again ,

carnageandculture.blogspot.com...

books.google.com...:+Islam+and+the+Demise+of+Classical+Civilization&source=bl&ots=I5N5H 8Csch&sig=BFPnJd94RSwU19xpEydLoD1Pck4&hl=en&ei=kyLeS5HgNo_2NPHr7PsH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Holy%20Warriors %3A%20Islam%20and%20the%20Demise%20of%20Classical%20Civilization&f=false

ok so I am still reading this on line book.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Those are some interesting links Stormdancer777. In the theory being discussed, the three major faiths have been pitted against each other. So that in the end 'prophecy' will be fulfilled.

It is apparent that what the main stream media has been portraying is that the Muslims are going to kill us all. Now over there I'm sure there are a lot of broadcasts that say the very same thing about Christianity. The Jewish faith has to be lumped in there too because they have a stake in all of this as well.

It is strange that the three faiths that all came from Abraham are at odds with each other. It's almost like someone knew what would happen and in the Biblical prophecies we can see it in real time. So have we been set up to interpret what God has said to eliminate oursleves? The conspiracy in that is huge.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I have a hard time accepting the mass barrage of information that associates Islam with the downfall of civilization.

Believe it or not, a word exists that describes this very pro-western, anti-Islam mindset...

Orientalism
(some may even use the word Islamophobia)

Another HUGE addition to our culture, which originated from Islam, is the scientific method.

Thank you Ibn al-Haytham.

This gentleman was the pioneer of the scientific method among several other firsts.

In my opinion, this obvious slant toward negative views of Islam and Arabs is nothing more than the power of Rome extending into our history and school texts.

As PT has said, the point in creating the religions is to build toward the final battle that has been prophesied.
That final battle is spoken of in all of the three religions that were a product of the Roman Empire:

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

It is this final battle that will usher in the one world religion, government, and banking system.

reply to post by jackflap


Wow Jackflap...

You honestly just read my mind.

I was thinking the EXACT same thing as is referenced in my post.

reply to post by jackflap

It's almost like someone knew what would happen and in the Biblical prophecies we can see it in real time. So have we been set up to interpret what God has said to eliminate oursleves? The conspiracy in that is huge.

Yes someone knew, and yes we see biblical prophecy happening before our eyes,

I don't think it is all about "Total" elimination,

I don't know if I would call it a conspiracy, it is mind boggling, I need to think.

It is so complicated, so much of history is adulterated, but the ancient sacred texts hold the clues,

Are we self fulfilling prophecy?

Is it predestination?







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reply to post by Josephus23


I understand Josephus, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

reply to post by HothSnake


What makes you assume I wasn't aware of JP Morgans other crimes such as stealing the patent for the lightbuld away from Edison? Sadly, ruthless ambition is more often the way to success than joining some cabal.

Sorry, but being able to provide a credible source to back up your claims is completely necessary to getting anyone to believe those claims, that hasn't already came with the same set of opinions.

Not 0nly must you provide a source, but you need to also provide a quote from that source which backs up your claims, as I have done with in my posts.

You on the other hand make lots of grand claims but fail to back up those claims with anything but bravado. If my links back up your claims, all you have to do is quote those parts that back up your claims.

Figures, you blame everything on Bankers, who you claim are controlled by the Roman Catholic Church, but odds are that you are completely against government regulation of the banks, and was all for Gingrich's de-regulation that created our current economic mess.

Edit to add

No, the houses didn't go to the banks in the Great Depression, they were auctioned off and most of them were bought back for pennies on the dollar by the people who lost the homes in the bankruptcy in the first place.



[edit on 2-5-2010 by poet1b]

reply to post by Josephus23


I was just going through some Catholic information to see if anything really popped out at me. Now Rome at one time had scores of religions and temples and what not, right? The following, to me, was right in line with it.

Catholic Patron Saints Who To Pray To For Your Specific Needs

Patron Saints are chosen as special protectors or guardians over areas of life. These areas can include occupations, illnesses, churches, countries, causes -- anything that is important to us. The earliest records show that people and churches were named after apostles and martyrs as early as the fourth century. Recently, the Popes have named Patron Saints but patrons can be chosen by other individuals or groups as well. Patron Saints are often chosen today because an interest, talent, or event in their lives overlaps with the special area. For example, Francis of Assisi loved nature and so he is Patron of Ecologists. Francis de Sales was a writer and so he is Patron of Journalists and Writers. Clare of Assisi was named Patron of Television because one Christmas when she was too ill to leave her bed she saw and heard Christmas Mass -- even though it was taking place miles away. Angels can also be named as Patron Saints. A Patron Saint can help us when we follow the example of that Saint's life and when we ask for that Saint's intercessory prayers to God.

www.sarahsarchangels.com...

After the above introduction, there is a huge multi page list from A to Z of what Saint to pray for when you want or need something. The really funny part of it is when I went to the M category they had a Mason category! The saint to pray for Masons is Thomas, Apostle. I believe that was the famous doubting Thomas if I'm not mistaken. It's funny to me because my mom can speak Latin and is very Catholic and she can tell you what saint to pray to for what ails ya. It's a hoot!

reply to post by Josephus23


no sorry, rome made up those definitions.
and any historical references, those are also made up by rome. any artifacts, also made up by rome. in fact, rome made you up too (talkin' about freddy kruger, although i guess an argument could be made that you personally, were also made up by rome).

reply to post by jackflap

Which leads me to the Pope. He embraces Islam and touts its virtues and even kisses their Holy book. He must know what I know. He must see the prophecies unfolding on his very door step and yet he is silent. He is silent in saying that God does not want us killing each other over Him. He is silent to suggest that we have lost our way and that what we are engaged in has nothing to do with God. God gave us a brain to figure these things out you know. He gave the Pope his own little country and access to world wide media and yet the Pope is silent. On this little matter I see Rome's complicity and encouragement for the violence to continue. So Proto, you are definitely onto something.

I don’t really feel that Islam is a polar opposite of Christianity, but an extension of it, taken a step further, with some different takes on it.

Unfortunately as Masqua pointed out in his posts, monotheism has been brutal on it’s practitioners even from the onset as the different sects of Abraham’s religion basically all want to be right on what God expects of the people.

Most serious Christians have read the New Testament, and some of them the Old Testament, but few of them have read the Torah, Talmud or Quran.

So it’s very hard as a result, for people who haven’t read all the books, that are involved to understand what is really different and what is very similar, because the simple fact that there are differences are often enough to lead to violence on the part of those who practice monotheism in one of the Abraham inspired trio of religions.

Very similar to when Led Zeppelin came out, many people were blown away by the first album, most people considered the Led Zeppelin II album (Roman Numerals on the Cover) to be a step further, though it lacked some of the more raw edged qualities of the first album and added some more intricate qualities. However when Led Zeppelin III came out (Roman Numerals on the Cover) and took a radical departure from the first two albums, some fans was truly disheartened! They got this back on track with Led Zeppelin IV, which had no name or Roman Numerals!

Sadly unlike the Mighty Led Zep, God hasn’t come out with an untitled definitive fourth work.

Which is why I think we are all naturally better off in the Led Zeppelin cult, now it’s true once you have a few big hits you take some time off before coming up with a new record, but come on, 1600 years off?

Clearly these three religions were meant to play off of each other, in a classic two sides against the middle strategy.

When you are employing two sides against the middle strategy, developing the middle is the most important thing.

It’s from the middle where you define the other two sides that are going to be playing against you.

Let’s take a look at the God that wants you to put no other Gods before him, and see what a fair minded fellow he is in these religions.



10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.

From the Exodus album track 20:10

17 You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

From the Exodus album track 20:17

9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,

From the Deuteronomy Album track 5:9

14 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you.

From the Deuteronomy Album track 5:14

21 Neither shall you covet your neighbor’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbor’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

From the Deuteronomy Album track 5:21

26 The best of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God.

From the Exodus Album Track 34:26

So here we have the fact that God will actually punish your children, and their children, and their children if you screw up! Nice guy!

Then we can see, in God’s eye, no not all people were born equal and people will naturally enslave one another, and well hey, that’s ok! What a prince!

Then if that’s not enough, even though God made the planet and the Heavens and the Entire Universe, he needs you to pick up the best fruits and bring them to him. So he’s either incredibly lazy, or he’s a government that likes to tax people.

There isn’t a respectable God in the universe that would have come up with wacked out laws like this!

Why everyone is pretending that we have some wonderful prince charming of an all wise fellow is basically beyond me, when if it was your President telling you this stuff, that your children’s children, and their children are still going to be punished for breaking the law, and that it’s ok to take and make slaves, and he wants the best of what you harvest first you would all be screaming TYRANT!

Now could there be an all powerful creator of the Universe out there, quite possibly so. But considering these little choice tidbits came from the only man ever believed to have spoken to God face to face in the form of a burning bush, and he says this is what that God told him, I find it amazingly hard to believe that a benevolent all powerful being of love, light, compassion and wisdom told him this stuff.

These are all laws that serve men, made up by men, looking to be served, and rule through laws.

So would God have us lean back and watch the crescendo of horror take place in the Middle East and wait to be raptured off the planet? I don't think so. I do believe He prophesied what would happen as a warning. I do believe that He would like us to assess our current situation and ask for His intervention. You see, in my minds eye Proto and God are on the same wave length. I believe God wants us to realize that we have been lied to about how we perceive what was written because if we don't do something about it, someone is going to be victorious in the end and it will not be us. They will have us believe it is the will of God and that we can do nothing to stop it. Don't worry about all the fighting and possible nuclear exchanges, you'll be raptured out of here before it gets real bad.

Pretty scary thought Proto and God being on the same wave length, I chuckled all the way to dinner tonight musing over that one my friend jackflap.

I was still chuckling when I sat down outside to eat at the table and a Turtle Dove flew up and perched on my table, and stared me straight in the eye.

I looked back at him, and said your hungry aren’t you, and he nodded his head twice. So I shared some of my white rice with him while we both shared the table, and a small assortment of mothers with little kids positioned themselves to watch and smile.

Pretty insane indeed the people who would consign all those smiling innocent faces to an apocalyptic war of Armageddon just to validate some notion of God and man’s inferiority and inability to Master themselves and evolve.

I really think people would be well served to stop making excuses for what are some glaring deficiencies in these pseudo religious texts, which are really just laws, made by men, meant to scare you to no end.

There of course can be an end to being scared and fear, when you decide to ask yourself some honest questions like Jackflap is.

Thanks my friend.


[edit on 2/5/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by HothSnake

 

What makes you assume I wasn't aware of JP Morgans other crimes such as stealing the patent for the lightbuld away from Edison? Sadly, ruthless ambition is more often the way to success than joining some cabal.

No contention here Poet1b just an interjection. I think Edison stole a few things along the trail also. No honor among thieves.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


i think you left out one: the protestant faith was a huge departure from catholicism, so radically different, that to say they are the same religion is kinda funny.

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reply to post by jackflap


Catholicism is polytheism in disguise with the all saints and "Mary worship". Just like the Romans, Greeks and others who had a god of the wind, goddess of the forest, god of the whatever. They threw in something for everybody. It's like the Justice League of America or Avengers comics. And that's what the Catholics have. (Former Catholic, 50 years, in case I didn't mention it enough.)

Supposedly you don't worship the saints and the "Mother of God" you just ask for their intercession. It's like having a friend that's a cop when you show up in traffic court. You gotta know somebody JF! Networking with the holy dead. Get's you a good seat at the last supper I hear. Well you already knew that, your mom told you I'm sure. I'm certain if you ask she's got a Sacred Heart scapular for you to wear, Saint Christopher for the dash of your car or a Saint Joe to bury in the yard when you're selling a house. Mom's are like that my friend. And so she knows all of that and passes it along in the hopes that the saints will protect you when she is not there. If only.

reply to post by jackflap


I don't know what happened, but my goal as a unhappy but devout christian was to see if I could find out how the first Christians worshiped, only because of my love for Christ and my desire to worship him the true way,

That is what started my journey to explore the ancient texts,

I didn't have a a computer when I began my research, I actually went to the public library and read books, lol

Reason I was unhappy with the church, they didn't explain the Bible in historic terms,.

examples,

Who were the might men of renown spoken of in the Bible.

Why did the OT quote from other books not listed in the King James.

Why did Catholics have some of these other ancient writing in their Douay version,

You mean there were other older books of the Bible , who knew?

Jesus was a Jew, Jesus didn't come to start a new religion, Jesus was not a Christian, the Romans used that term to humiliate the followers of Christ.

So as the pagans embraced Christianity, the true message became cloudy, nobodies fault BTW, so in my eyes Christianity is as everyone knows evolved into a mixture spiritual beliefs and superstitions.

Yes I believe there really was a man named Yeshua, and I believe he was sent by god with a message, who was this god?

I thought maybe he gave up on us, but the signs tell a different story.

some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."

He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here.

The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here.