All Roads Lead to Rome

Troy (Troia), otherwise known as Ilium, an ancient city famous in legend; its siege by the Greeks is the subject of Homer's Iliad (see TROJAN WAR and TROJAN HORSE above). Its site in north-west Asia Minor some 6 km. (4 miles) from the Aegean Sea, a little south of the Hellespont, was identified at the modern Hissarlik by the German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann, who between 1870 and 1890 excavated the occupation mound, composed of the accumulated debris of centuries. He and later archaeologists have established nine principal strata, representing nine successive periods of occupation (called Troy I, Troy II, and so on), dating from the Bronze Age to Roman times.

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If this is the real Troy it dates from at least the Bronze age, which easily could make it 5300 years old if not older.

Ur is thought to have been established about 5000 years ago.

So Troy could in fact be older, if you want to believe that the Ark represents the great flood, and came to rest in Mt. Ararat, in Turkey, Troy which is in modern day Turkey sure is a lot closer than Ur or Egypt!

Egypt too was founded around 3000 BC about the same time as Ur, so Troy in fact could have predated them both.

The Trojan angle to Rome and the Mystery Gods is very real, and there is no proof that shows Ur or Egypt predated Troy.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

So to is the parasitical nature of human life, to devour and consume.

I wouldn't be so critical of human life forms. I mean, I believe we are meant to be harmonious with our environments. We already know that the natural course of things has been altered. At least that's what we are working on. Uncovering and defeating a plan that has told us what we are and we blindly agree.

If you look at the trees and realize the leaves fertilize the ground in a cycle and allows new life to spring. The birds of the air nest in its branches. The insects seek refuge in them and sustenance. Yet neither of these things are considered parasitic.

They are part of a much larger picture. Naturally, unhampered by agendas and plans that force them to subvert what they naturally are, they are harmonious with their environment. I realize though, that humans have a brain that is superior, supposedly, to those two creatures I mentioned.

Imagine for a moment that you are the bird that nests in the branches. You realize that there is a lot of room in this tree and it is in the ideal location. You begin telling others of your ideal spot that you will show them. Not only that but you can begin charging rent to the new tenants of your tree and make a mint.

Imagine for a moment that you are the insect that utilizes the tree for shelter and food. You realize suddenly that if you could mechanize the extraction of the nutrients you could package them and sell them. You could even open your own store front right in front of the tree.

Before you can do either of these two things as those two creatures you first and foremost must gain legal title to the tree because no one makes money without government being paid first. So you go to the actual owners of the tree and make a deal to have eventual ownership of the tree over a thirty year time span.

Now that is a hefty bill to have to pay so you rent your tree out to the max to make us much profit as you can. You also would find better and faster ways to extract the nutrients as you have to sell more to make more. So you see, we have been duped. It's a damn shame.

Originally posted by undo
I summed up what i was trying to say, in this thread:

All Roads Lead to the Missing Puzzle Piece
www.abovetopsecret.com...

if any of you proto fans who don't have me on ignore, would send him the link in a u2u, that'd be a great help. thanks

[edit on 30-4-2010 by undo]

there ya go undo, hows that

all's fair...

I really can't wrap my head around the point that such a secret is being kept by those in power for so long. To state that every politician who is a member of some secret society is aware of the secret and no one has ever said anything is almost laughable.

Boris Yeltsin...

George W. Bush...

etc. Not to mention all the leaders in the last 2000+ years who were moronic as the two above.

All of these people in power should have been aware of the secret according to this theory, it just sounds silly to even suggest that no one has ever spoken out.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Amazing! I can't wait to begin researching Troy and the ancient world again, with the information you have provided as guidance, and see if anything shows up in some of my dad's old books. Truly fascinating stuff, nice to see the thread back on track.

Will get back to you after a little nap, it's morning in Norway after all. But your posts keep me awake!

Happy 1. May everyone (Although Rome might be behind that too, wouldn't surprise me).

Originally posted by 2theC

Originally posted by undo
I summed up what i was trying to say, in this thread:

All Roads Lead to the Missing Puzzle Piece
www.abovetopsecret.com...

if any of you proto fans who don't have me on ignore, would send him the link in a u2u, that'd be a great help. thanks

[edit on 30-4-2010 by undo]

there ya go undo, hows that

all's fair...

Well if true, all Roads lead to the missing puzzle piece I am guessing she has a link in that thread back to this one!

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I wish her luck with the thread though, clearly she has a lot she wants to share with people, and would likely do better at conveying it, in a thread aimed towards that.




[edit on 30/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by serbsta
I really can't wrap my head around the point that such a secret is being kept by those in power for so long. To state that every politician who is a member of some secret society is aware of the secret and no one has ever said anything is almost laughable.

Boris Yeltsin...

George W. Bush...

etc. Not to mention all the leaders in the last 2000+ years who were moronic as the two above.

All of these people in power should have been aware of the secret according to this theory, it just sounds silly to even suggest that no one has ever spoken out.

I never said they were all aware of it, just the principle oligarchs.

Bush is an exception in that he is a politician, oligarch.

Rockefeller would be the only other politician oligarch I can think of.

There are 100 true Patrician Families that date back to the time of Rome's founding.

They all still exist, but many of them are unknown publically.

The Monarchs would be a few of the people who know the Kings and Queens and Princes and Princesses that owe their titles to Rome and the Pope through the Grace of God.

Obama wouldn't know, he is just a corporate employee.

Most people in political office are just employees. They have no real power, their job is to put a public face and show on for the masses that they represent.

They are told only what they need to know, and that is generally not as much as they ought to know.

There is a price for fortune and fame.

The circle is wider than those 100 families, and would include only the people at the very top of the secret societies, the circle is smaller than you would imagine. And all of them at that level are bound by the kind of worldly secrets where if one falls, like a house of cards, they all would fall.

Thanks.




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reply to post by serbsta


As much as I want to say that certain individuals who lead a country are ignorant, I do not think that I should be so arrogant.

We base our reality on the propaganda matrix of information that surrounds us.

We can only see and judge what we have been shown to judge.
The idea that something like this seems impossible is the very thing that gives it strength, in my opinion.

I can not know how ruthless and cunning someone like say, GW Bush could be.
I can only formulate my opinion on his straw man.

If he is that stupid, then could he have really been appointed.

If he was "appointed", then what a better cover than to make him look so inept that anything could literally be done to the people, and then blamed on said ineptitude.

The most ridiculous stories make the best covers, and are best if they are out in the open; therefore, they do not have to be hidden.

[edit on 4/30/2010 by Josephus23]

reply to post by serbsta

All of these people in power should have been aware of the secret according to this theory, it just sounds silly to even suggest that no one has ever spoken out.

Didn't Kennedy mention something about a force that was going to enslave every man woman and child? Then he was killed. I believe that there have been more than just Kennedy trying to get that message out.

"There is no such thing in America as an independent press. . . . There is not one of you who dare to write his honest opinions. . . . I am paid $150 a week for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper. . . . We are the jumping-jacks; they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." -- John Swinton, addressing a group of journalists, April 12, 1883.

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." -- Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom, 1913

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson." -- President Roosevelt, Letter to Colonel House, November 1933.

"No political party speaks for Americans. American jobs and careers are being sacrificed to 'globalism.' American culture is being sacrificed to open borders. Americans' sons and daughters . . . are being sent to die in foreign wars that increase American insecurity. We are in a presidential campaign, and no issue is being addressed." -- Paul Craig Roberts, July 12, 2004.

www.modernhistoryproject.org...

Originally posted by TheNorthernLight
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Amazing! I can't wait to begin researching Troy and the ancient world again, with the information you have provided as guidance, and see if anything shows up in some of my dad's old books. Truly fascinating stuff, nice to see the thread back on track.

Will get back to you after a little nap, it's morning in Norway after all. But your posts keep me awake!

Happy 1. May everyone

(Although Rome might be behind that too, wouldn't surprise me).

Happy May Day to you! Now had we only won World War II!

It seems like Fascism is on the rise again.

Let us know what you turn up in your Dad's old books.

reply to post by 2theC


thanks! hope he reads it and the links in it. cause i put alot of research into it, spread out over a long period of time. i have some short term memory damage from being in a coma, so it takes me longer to connect some dots, but over time, i'm extremely thorough with each bit i manage to retain. personally, i don't think we're even from this planet originally. i think we were brought here as slaves through the gate, the theory i have been trying to describe, and that rome's role in all of that is to bury the evidence. i'm not entirely sure why, but they were not the first to do so, leading me to believe that proto's theory is not entirely correct. it wasn't just italian emperors, that hid it, in other words, and therein lies the real trail of evidence, which proto's theory would cover up, something that doesn't appeal to me since it took so many years just to uncover it.

reply to post by undo


I think it is obvious that Proto's complete theory is nonsense.

Who destroyed the world's economy? Not the Catholic Church. Big oil ran our country through GW and Cheney, undermining the middle class while creating false wars in order to maintain the energy monopoly that big oil enjoys.

The Bush family has resided over the destruction of our economy twice now, by manipulating the laws to allow for outright theft by the upper class.

It is convenient to ignore the role that big oil has played not only in the destruction of our nations economy but our worlds eco system, all out of pure greed.

When you look at the obvious, our problems isn't Rome, or the Catholic Church, although they contribute in their own way, but the people who have manipulated the laws to maintain this disposable society that they have forced on the masses.

Who shot JFK? And why?

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Who then is responsible for the framework that allows big oil to exist?

Who is responsible for our system of contract law in the United States....

Rome.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Happy May day to you, in case I haven't mentioned it before I think this has been the most amazing thread that I have ever had the pleasure of reading, learning and participating in on ATS, thank you so much, if I was able to I would give you aplause

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Why thank you Aquarius, I sure have enjoyed having so many sharp and brilliant posters sharing and interacting, and providing so much wonderful information, and interesting opinions.

It's been a real honor and a privelege to be a part of it.

Thanks for sharing.

reply to post by Josephus23


Nope, not Rome, those who want to pretend they don't have any role in making the government responsible to the people.

Those who think dropping out is an answer.

And the greedy buggers who have lied cheated and stole at every opportunity.

If you think we shouldn't blame the failure here in the U.S., and would rather blame some bogey man like the Catholic Church for our failures, you are not a part of the solution.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Brilliant! Thank you very much.

I don't really have comment yet, although you've given me a lot to think about.

The problem with ALL the old stories is the blur between allegory and history. Rome was conceived between the gods of war and hearth. That is clear. And nurtured by shepherds and whores (opposites of the above). All brought together in service of apollo, who represents a lot besides.

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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by undo

 

Who shot JFK? And why?

The mafia involvement in JFK's killing is well established.

The mafia connection to Rome is also established.

While America was fighting the Russians, JFK was fighting Rome. He already had his sights on the federal reserve.

Curious that immediately after his death, the Apollo missions were started. Citing him directly as the inspiration. He was skeptical of manned lunar missions, and correctly failed to see any benefit to the USA at that time. Sputnik was a gimmick, and the space race was a series of press releases that belied the facts behind each nation's true resources.

His death was the single biggest victory for the military industrial complex in your history. The military industrial complex is owned by Rome. It successfully created suburban wealth, and formed the opposition to the inevitable hippies.

Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

What do you think the significance is of the Morning Star?

I think it is significant because Venus is and has been known as the morning star in ancient texts. It was referred to this because it could be seen in the morning sky. Now we have Lucifer in our Bible referred to as the morning star. Amazingly, the pentagram shape that it traces out in its orbit is pagan and or used in occult practices.

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Now, as mentioned, the Vatican has an observatory and advanced telescopes at its disposal. One in particular name Lucifer. The bright and morning star. The Mayans used the cycles of Venus to create their calendar.

Thus, Venus passes between the earth and the sun 5 times in 8 years, meaning that it completes 5 synodic periods in 8 years, or 5 complete evening/morning star cycles. The Mayans had carefully tracked the cycles of Venus, and had noticed that 5 Venus cycles of 584 days just equalled 8 years of 365 days (5 x 584 = 8 x 365). Notice the great difference between the sidereal and synodic periods of Venus: its sidereal period is less than 8 months, but its synodic period is 1 3/5 years.

www.johnpratt.com...

Does the Vatican know something that we do not? Are they withholding information that may be critical to us surviving? It is all just speculation but I believe that Venus will be closest to the Earth on October 29th of this year. I'm just putting that out there because its all I know.

Firstly what an astounding thread - there's a book there somewhere ! A great read and remarkable work.

I haven't read all the replies yet but wanted to chip in about the pentagram/Venus....one of the major connections it has it to the platonic year and one full circuit of the precession of the equinoxes. Many think that the complete circuit of the precession wheel conclueds 21-12-2012, a date enconded in the great Seal of America, the pyramids, Mayan lore and many other places. Here's a thread about the pentagram and about half way down page one I have a post with links explaining the connection to the precession of the equinoxes

origins of the pentagram

You may also want to google the 2009-2016 illuminati timeline, a 7 year period that is also encoded within the great seal and Giza pyramids...sorry no links here but google the phrase and they will come up, I haven't the time to go through all my notes as my son is at home so I'm distracted....anyway 2012 is the mid point of the 7 year timeframe in the code, with the 7 year countdown also mirrored in the Biblical end -times tribulation expectation. Therefore 2012 could mark the beginning of the end (Great Tribulation).

Google 2016 second coming as well............the date lines up with biblical prophecy

Check out David Flynn and Tom Horn for their research into 2009-2016 and the various places this timeline has been encoded..........

Returning to the pentagram-precession link, if 2012 is indeed the end date of one full circuit the metaphorically this is the end of one world order and the beginning of a new one, and like any BIRTH there will be terrible labour pains hence the 3.5 years of great tribulation culminating in the so called second coming that is to instigate the one world order of the biblical God

Question Proto :

I am only on page 6 at the moment.....I wanted to know if you have any sources to support your belief that Islam was a religion deliberately concocted by the same strategists who you say engineered Christianity. Is there any actual evidence ?