All Roads Lead to Rome

here are some more pieces of ancient history, totally fabricated by rome, according to proto, which this guy (von daniken) apparently made popular.

Erich Von Daniken


notice the guy's message isn't even remotely christian but he's apparently a roman propagandist, because he is a popular author who managed to publish a best seller on the subject (see chariot of the gods). unfortunately, he had to use ancient texts "fabricated" by rome to prove it. which means he's either deliberately or ignorantly pushing roman lies to the world (according to proto, anyway).





[edit on 28-4-2010 by undo]

PT is right in so many ways, it would take another 25 pages just to show it all.

In the end, it all comes down to this:
We who have learned to understand must pass the knowledge onto others. No, we won't get everyone to understand due to deep preconceived beliefs. But that is fine. We don't stop or slow down for anything, and just keep going. Eventually there will be enough of us to take the final stand.

Here's the beauty and simplicity of it all- how do we finally win, you ask? By simply saying NO MORE. They cannot have wars if no one will fight for them. They can kill us if they wish, on and on, every person, every country, until there is no one left for them to rule. And they will ultimately fail in their endeavors. It will be over when WE collectively decide it is over.

We win every time we say NO.

reply to post by Quantum Logic


this is the exact same thing that happened in the enlightenment period, which resulted in several hundred years of total misinformation regarding the ancient past. let's not do this AGAIN! we are just now discovering all the data that's been hid from us, don't throw the baby out with the bath water!

reply to post by Quantum Logic


Thats very true my friend, so too is abandoning the fear and the negativity that it all has to end badly and focusing on positive thoughts and a positive outcome.

They are getting us to manifest exactly the opposite of what we truly want deep down inside, just by manipulating us through fear.

i suppose my posts are only making it thru to the one or two people that actually didn't dutifully put me on ignore per proto's suggestion.

makes me nauseous to think we have to go back to treating ancient history as if it were one big lie. apparently there's some hard core data hidden in there and somebody with alot of clout, doesn't want us to think it is even remotely valid. now that we have rome to blame for everything, whenever we want to get people to ignore a subject, we can just say rome created it.

convenient. and we are nothing if not convenient people.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


And it is that fear that causes most to lash out not at them, but at each other, just like the first response to my post. You are right- the truth is already within all of us. We just have to have the courage to face it, put aside our petty differences, and unite the way we were meant to from the beginning.

All thought is a form of energy. Just imagine what kind of power we would have if all of us on this Earth simultaneously thought about PEACE.......

reply to post by Quantum Logic


if i told you that 6000 years of history were totally fabricated by a handful of guys 3000 years after the fact, would you believe me? think about it. and not just the texts, but all the artifacts as well. and not just the artifacts in israel, iraq, iran, egypt, ethiopia, china, japan, india, and so on, but EVERYWHERE? and not just the texts and artifacts, but the eye witness accounts, cave paintings, monuments that stand as evidence that the ancient world existed but apparently none of their legitimate histories made it, instead it is all lies.

and all of this is tied to rome and the biblical prophecies. if we believe the ancient texts are legit, it means we want the world to be destroyed. and you believe it. what can i say but enjoy the kool aid.

reply to post by undo

makes me nauseous to think we have to go back to treating ancient history as if it were one big lie. apparently there's some hard core data hidden in there and somebody with alot of clout, doesn't want us to think it is even remotely valid. now that we have rome to blame for everything, whenever we want to get people to ignore a subject, we can just say rome created it.

Or we can just say that the Devil made us do it. Maybe we're seeing only bits and pieces of the true picture of what the ancients really wanted us to see. Maybe that is why the Vatican has an Egyptian Archaeology Department.

reply to post by Quantum Logic


We would in fact have peace if we all focused on it intently. We do manifest our own reality.

That's why the news is full of bad news, and angry news, and scary news, to get us to focus on the negative thoughts, and to think emotionally, and react emotionally.

Things that would have never made the news 20 years ago, because they really are just local matters that don't effect the national or world news, now make it all the time, because they are scary, because they make people angry, and they broadcast them so often, to such an extent, one would think the world is just a dangerous, scary place where nothing good happens or can.

We spend so much time looking at the petty, we miss the truly important.

Politics is really about using yesterdays solutions for todays problems, and then causing us the heartbreak when those solutions don't work and things slide from bad to worse.

We keep moving forward by going backward and that's because we don't really know the real history, and keep repeating it over and over again, because we trust the people in politics to somehow fix todays problems with yesterdays solutions, and that too keeps us divided and angry because it just doesn't work.

The solution lays inside of the problem and not outside of it.

The problem is Rome and it's cruel systems of governance. They teach us to be cruel through anger and fear.

To perpetuate it all.

It's why we need to be positive, think positive, and look forward to a positive outcome, by believing we can change the world and make it a better place, not by believing that they will do it for us, but that we can do it, and by believing there is no real way they can stop it or stand in our way, if we really want it to happen.

We need to stop making excuses and explaining things away by protecting them with our own anger and indifference, and join together positively to make the world a better place.

Thanks my friend.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!!! Just knowing the lie is a lie is plenty good.

Judging by PT's popularity (I am a big fan as well) and the number of posts in this tread, there is a big hunger for truth… After all, truth is precious, hard to come by, protected, disguised, etc… If only we could know everything, right???

Even in a forum like ATS, which is full of hobbyist truth-seekers, there seems to be a certain lethargy in place, yielding reactions to PT's article and subsequent commentary which I can summarize as (only paraphrasing):

"Wow, this is so interesting and amazing…"

"No, it wasn't seven knights, it was eight…"

"How do you know J Caesar was Jesus?"

"I wonder what else Rome knows… are they hiding a secret? Aliens? Lucifer? Another religion? Is Jesus alive?, etc"

"Your theories interesting. I just need to find a way of spinning it so they can co-exist with my own theories and beliefs"

"Oh PT, you are amazing, you know everything!"

"PT, you scoundrel!!! You know nothing!!!!"

etc. etc.

If you have found PT's intricate and well researched interpretation of last two millennia even a teeny bit plausible, probable or if it made you take a better look at your own belief systems and question at least some of them… I am talking to you then… In fact I am pleading with you..

If you are convinced that religious writings, beliefs, explanations and history are all man made, does it matter if PT is correct about JCaesar having come up with the idea or having developed the concept? Someone, and more likely a lot of someones definitely did.

Similarly, I watched many a smart, well intended individuals on ATS over many years trying to explain the chain of events we now call 911. Did it ever matter what technology was used to do it, while the lies and the history based on these lies that ensued were so apparent?

Call it Rome, call it roam, call it foam, call it whatever you want. There is a system in place that is above and beyond any belief system you might subscribe to. It is currently busy orchestrating the end of a certain belief system that did their work for thousands of years. As a self-perpetuating system, it is so removed from the matrix of reality they have woven for us, they feel no connection to a good 5 billion of us and are determined to get rid of us. They do not really hide these intentions.. So, even if a fraction of what they say they want to do comes true, there is a tremendous danger looming for all residents of this planet. And if you are under the impression that you and your close ones will survive this because you are American, Christian, Jewish, black, white, rich, poor, smart or stupid, I say go back to page 1 of this thread and read it again. Rulers own the ruled that they can be dispensed of if their usefulness has expired.

What do you take in from PT's brilliant thread? After reading all this, does life go on the next morning as if all is well? Do you, like me, come home from work and keep reading post after post, like trying to read the instruction manual of an airplane after while a plane is crashing. Rome 2010 believes the world is infested with people, who should be weeded out in preparation for their domination of the whole planet.

We are not waking up fast enough… The destruction, first financial and then physical, is imminant. Nothing supernatural. It's like burning a sugar field for new growth... You don't have to go around and light up every cane… Just gotta fire at key parts, and the field just burns itself... 

reply to post by jackflap


yeah? well so does america, britain, russia, and the countries of the far and middle east. so are we to believe that they were already in collusion with rome, centuries ago? you realize it was the atheists that came out of the enlightenment period, that created archaeology as a science and actually set the historical timeline based on their findings in egypt? they were the first to explore, date and interpret the hieroglyphs. i guess they were all on the roman payroll as well.

reply to post by may_be_true


There is my friend, a huge hunger for the truth.

In fact one of the most common phrases of all time is "All Roads Lead to Rome"

Type that into google and a thousand web pages will come up, but this thread is listed as the number 8 most popular result on the front google page.

We shouldn't be waking up to an argument over points of contention of trivial things that divide and conquer us, we should be waking up to the reality as you say, there is something bigger in the way of a shadow government, that is ruling all of our governments and institutions behind the scenes.

As long as we keep pretending that the next Presidential election is going to solve that world wide problem...we are screwed.

We need to see the beast for what it is, and realize we do not need to let it rule us.

There is a big difference between being right and having no doubt, and its not about being right about every little thing, it's about seeing the really big picture and realizing we are going about changing it the wrong way.

Really great post my friend, no maybes or maybe nots about that.

Thanks for chiming in!





[edit on 28/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by jackflap

Or we can just say that the Devil made us do it. Maybe we're seeing only bits and pieces of the true picture of what the ancients really wanted us to see. Maybe that is why the Vatican has an Egyptian Archaeology Department.

If it's not the vatican, it's the Israelis, or the U.S. Army on the scene.

We pay Egypt 2 Billion dollars a year by the way, as part of the Camp David Accords, supposedly its for making peace with Israel, but is part of that keeping peace with Israel by not letting archeological secrets that would undermine Old and New Testament contentions???

All Roads Lead To Rome, they always have and they always will, if we don't put an end to it.

Thanks my friend.

reply to post by undo


Pardon me if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here (locksmith just left, am up to my eyes in carpet shampoo and just taking another 5 min break. Saw your post ... )

In my world, there's lot's of room for the Van Danikens, the Laurence Gardners, the Baigents and Leighs and Graham Hancocks, the Lyall Watsons and those two guys who wrote 'Morning of the Magicians' (remember that -- what a revelation that was, back in the day ) and their ilk, all of them

There's even room in my world for Gauquelin (sp?) .. remember him ... scientist who put thousands of famous - and other - people's dates of births and professions into a computer, back when only scientists had them. And arrived at the inescapable evidence of astrological stereotypes actually being reflected in real life, at least as far as the cardinal-signs are concerned, i.e., Aries = the military, etc.

As to history, recent and ancient, I haven't turned my back on it because of this thread ... nothing like it. History's about people and lives, decisions and consequences, courage, humour, pathos, tears

Don't fret, Undo --- baby's not gone with the bathwater

Best regards

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


The 8th place in Google is great Proto... I hope you have some sort of a plan about how to proceed with the recognition you are receiving.

But as someone claiming that Rome sheds its own in a heartbeat for further, longer range gain, does it not feel at all plausible to you that the agenda it is pursuing at the moment is a similar one and it has begun to gain a momentum that is becoming harder and harder to stop?

Would love to hear your thoughts about that. (I have to admit, I stopped reading and started writing when the page count was at 25, so forgive me if this was discussed in the past few hours)

As always, thanks for a brilliant thread, and your reply.

and now he's calling for the destruction of rome. little by little, piece by piece, it goes from being a peaceful movement, to "put an end to it", which implies violence based on his interpretation of the ancient world and the hearsay of some unnamed source.

guess what? a secret unnamed source told me that we aren't really on earth. that we're actually just brains in jars in a lab on the moon. it's all an illusion.

Well while we're at it --- I want to know how much strength there is to John Lear's claim of there being towers on the Moon for the recycling of souls

Just thowing that out there, seeing I ripped into him and was pretty dismissive (scathing ) when he suggested it




Ever since, it's snuck into my thoughts, every now and then, particularly when we (the human herd) appear even more as mere 'money on the hoof' than usual

Anyone have any thoughts on it, or feel it might play a role in this discussion ?

. edit for 'their/there'. I know the difference, but these days, it seems my fingers are responding to my six year old brain, even though my grown-up brain is supposed to be running things)

[edit on 28-4-2010 by Dock9]

Lets me tell you something undo. I read this thread originally when there were only 3 replies. You may wonder "why did I wait so long to reply?" I once heard a monk say "If you stop focusing on yourself and pay attention to others, you might learn something."

That is exactly what I do. Observation of what is around you is the greatest learning discipline you have. I have learned much by doing this, far more than I would have if I didn't. The most important thing I have learned is that EMOTION is one of the most powerful forces in existence. If one can learn to control that emotion they have total control. Fear and hate are used to suppress. Courage and love are used to expand and grow.

I sense you are emotionally touched by the truth which has been spoken in this thread, but the fear and preconceived beliefs you have are blinding you to your surroundings. While every minute element of PT's post may not be true, the core of it is. We have been manipulated for a long time, and change is never easy.

Belief does not change fact. Do you really believe that we have seen even 1/10th of the artifacts in the world? Absolutely not. Otherwise what lies in the Vatican Archives would not be restricted to accepted scholars only. Even then, you cannot just browse in there. You must request the exact catalog number of what you want. And the Secret Archives are for the pope's eyes only. One can only imagine what is so important that he is the only one allowed to see in there.

In the end, you are the only one who can decide what you choose to believe. But you cannot change the facts. I sincerely hope you look inside yourself and find what you are looking for.

Peace to you, my friend. We are all children of Earth.

reply to post by undo



You saw that with your own eyes, didn't you ?

One minute apart. MOON

LOL. Now who says we're not all one, huh ?

reply to post by may_be_true


We are in my humble opinion in the 11th hour here, as far as having a real chance left to thwart the shadow government, they do intend to sacrifice the Vatican, and Israel, and much of the Middle East and Persia, likely the East and West Coast of the United States, the American Government, probably much of Europe, and other high density population centers.

It will come in war, it will come in disease, and it will come in natural disaster, and it will look like the Bible predicted but it will all be technology and political manipulation and theatre on a grand scale.

They will cull the planet of at least two thirds of us, and if you aren’t tied into the power structure, and they don’t want to make a special concession for you based on your skills or wealth, you will be left to the luck of the draw.

We have maybe a solid year left, maybe less, to stand up and do something, after that, as more and more technology comes on line, and they collapse the economy and make more and more of us dependent on the state for sustenance and survival we will be increasingly at their mercy.

We need a mass awakening and not just rash defiant actions of bravado that play into their hands or agenda.

We need what happened in the late 60’s and early 70’s with the hippie counter culture, that scared the hell out of them, and the hippies really could have taken the capitols, they had the numbers, the sheer mass of numbers.

They have impoverished us since, and made sure we are not quite so bright as the educational and news standards were then, so it can’t happen again, but it does need to happen again, and no later than this summer.

Mass demonstrations of peaceful people in every major capitol will set them reeling.

We need to find people who know infrastructure and could really run it, because it does no good just to take over, and millions of us starve when the shelves go bare and the pumps go dry.

We need to start thinking, Caesar was a seizer and we must seize our world back before it’s too late, but we really do need to be prepared to feed us and care for us and keep it running when we do.

It can’t just happen here, we will be cut off internationally and we need foreign goods and services to maintain.

It has to be world wide, or not at all, and it has to be soon, very soon!

Thanks my friend.