All Roads Lead to Rome

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i don't know about spain...but here is a guy who many might now know but is crucial in mapping/discovering stuff in the northeast just "after columbus discovered america" in early 1500s


en.wikipedia.org...


hmmm///italian!

overshadowed by news of magellan,e tc back then..but nonetheless a powerful explorer. he happened to come to newport as well...FYI

Hudson's Bay Company The Hudson's Bay Company (French: Compagnie de la Baie d'Hudson), abbreviated HBC, or "The Bay" ("La Baie" in French) is the oldest commercial corporation in North America and one of the oldest in the world.

en.wikipedia.org...'s_Bay_Company

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if you don't mind..please post any connections/history regarding the phoenicians and how this all relates

A lot is to be known about the ancient "multi national" merchants.

There was never a country or empire called “Phoenicia.” The historical name of this culture was coined by the Greeks and was not their own. The name Phoenicia derives from the Greek word phoenix, meaning in this case a dark red or purple-brown color. The Phoenicians were renowned for their cloth dyes, especially an expensive purple one popular with royalty. Because Greek language and writings were preserved in abundance, versus Phoenician texts which are very scant, the name stuck.

Location
The Phoenicians appeared on the historical scene around 1200 BC, a time when most of the civilized world was being overrun by barbarians. In the political and military void of a 400-year ancient dark age, this small group of traders were able to prosper and gradually expand their influence. Instead of acquiring a physical empire of contiguous lands, they gradually built, instead, a large trading and colonial network from their home base of a few independent cities along the coast of what is now Lebanon.They were the remnants of the Canaanites, a Semitic people who occupied city-states in this region prior to 1200 BC. The most important of their early cities were Tyre, Sidon, Berytus (modern Beirut), and Byblos. These coastal cities were hemmed in on the land side by the Lebanon Mountains. The only obvious opportunity for expansion and economic gain was by sea.

Phoenician culture (1200 to 146 BC)

The question is; where were they before?

Probably they were TPTB who were in fact world trader/merchants. Those elite groups may have been the ones who started "countries".

With sea power becoming stronger, the ships needed to be better.

The "Lebanon" area had the wood.

Lot's of theories.


Origin Theories

The Phoenicians

Rome and Greece

phoenicia.org

Interesting Viewpoint

Himilco
In the fifth century B.C. Himilco, also a Carthaginian, traveled from this seat of the Phoenician empire through the Straits of Gibraltar around the western coasts of Spain and France and continued until he reached the islands around the southern coast of England and the area known to the Phoenicians as "Tin-Land." The tin trade at this time was controlled by the people living in the area that is now France. Using Himilco's sea route from Carthage to England through the Straits of Gibraltar, the Phoenicians were able to trade for tin directly.

See a map showing Himilco's Voyage

Hanno
Hanno, a native of Carthage, a main Phoenician trading port, explored the western coast of Africa around 500 B.C. His coastal route took him from the Straits of Gibraltar (the Pillars of Hercules) around the western coast of Africa to modern Sierra Leone, and, when supplies ran low, returned to Carthage the way he came. Hanno wrote an account of his travels that survives in its Greek translation. In the account, Hanno mentions that the Phoenician travelers established colonies along the African coast.

See a map showing Hanno's Route

More than likely, the sea routes were established to save time and get more profit.
The "French" area tin trade merchants were part of the whole multi national group too, not competitors.

From England, maybe they went further.

From West Africa, maybe they went further west.

Maps may have been astronomical sun/star maps.

The merchants may have got map making info from Chinese mariners.




They had navigation. How else would they have gotten from let's say, North Africa to Sicily or Sardinia being out of land's sight? Or from Northern Europe to England?

They may have used the "step by step" method.

Two ships sail in a direction away from land with 4 days of supplies. They chart sun and stars for 2 days and turn around. Next month, they go for 6 days and come back. Eventually, they may hit land somewhere.

Lot's to study about ancient mariners.


Phoenicians to South America

Got some info .....Ocean-going Ships

Nor were these boats tiny. The galley fighting ships, with their rows of galley oars, could have a crew of over a hundred people. That is a pretty good size. But even those were small compared to the Phoenician cargo ships with their vast, rounded hulls. These ocean-going ships were built for huge loads and long hauls. They made the extended trips from Mediterranean ports out to Cadiz, Lixis and other destinations on the Atlantic Ocean coasts of Spain and Morocco, and had to make each trip count.

People have remarked that those cargo ships which sailed the seas for many hundreds of years B.C. were comparable in size to the ones Columbus sailed to America in 1492 A.D. Thor Heyerdahl, the modern-day explorer, noted that the Phoenicians could have sailed to Central America themselves. I don't know if they did or not, but well-informed people see it as being within the capabilities of Phoenician ships and navigators. That is quite a compliment to these early people of the sea and what they were able to accomplish. www.phoenician.org...



The Viking Ships


I thought about how during the Middle Ages, the Norsemen or Vikings, became the terror of the northern seas.

They were long, narrow vessels, propelled by sails and oars, carried them on raiding expeditions along the coasts or northern Europe and the British Isles -- and even into the Mediterranean.

I'm thinking those ships and their crews must have been terribly strong. Around the tenth century A.D. their dragon-powered ships dared the bleak and stormy North Atlantic, and the Vikings soon colonized Iceland and Greenland and even reached the shores of North Americajerileewei.hubpages.com...

. Secrets of the Dead reveals that the Chinese may have had Henry Ford beat by more than 2,000 years with their own assembly line used to produce 8,000 lavishly painted terracotta warriors.
In the dark ages following the fall of Rome, ship building made little progress in southern Europe. Seafaring was limited. Then came the Crusades. The demand for vessels to transport vast numbers of men and quantities of supplies to the Holy Land created a sudden boom in shipping.

Fleets of Genoese and Venetian rowing galleys, not very different from the slim galleys of ancient Greece, began to ply the Mediterranean. jerileewei.hubpages.com...

video.pbs.org... this is a link to a pbs vid about the terracotta army in China ...there is evidence that they invented the pigment colour purple .....the whole vid is well worth watching but if you ship ahead to 44:06 you can pick up the purple part .


As early as in the Neolithic Age (about 10,000-4,000 years ago), Chinese people had begun to made canoes and rafts, and with their courage and wisdom, had traveled the ocean. Textual research has proved that the ancient Baiyue people, who lived in Southeast China, invented the first water-bound vehicle. www1.chinaculture.org...
During the Qin (221-206) and Han (206BC-220AD) dynasties, China's shipbuilding witnessed the first climax, when the Qin EmperorQin Shihuangorganized a fleet capable of transporting 500,000 shi (1 shi = 170 pounds /71.7 kilos) of grain in a war. As recorded in ancient books, Emperor Qin Shihuang once led a fleet composed of lou chuan (castle ships, or war ships with deck castles) for an assault on the Chu State. After the unification of all of China, he also cruised along inland rivers and navigated at sea.
By theHan Dynasty, the navy mainly composed of castle ships was much stronger. It was said that the Han government could mobilize over 2,000 castle ships and 200,000 seamen for one battle. Various kinds of warships could be found, such as Xian Deng -- an assault ship, Meng Chong -- a narrow warship for striking the enemy's warships, and Ben Ma -- a ship as fast as a galloping horse. However, the assault castle ship was still the most important among all the ships and constituted the main force of the navy. Apart from being famous, the castle ship was also the symbol for the dynasty's advanced shipbuilding techniques.

The development in shipbuilding during the Qin and Han dynasties laid a solid foundation for the progress in shipbuilding skills in the following dynasties. The Wu State of theThree Kingdoms Period(220-280) had a prosperous shipbuilding industry and once built a five-story ship that could hold up to 3,000 soldiers. TheSouthern Dynasty(420-589) could build big ships with a holding capacity of 1,000 tons in the southern areas of theYangtze River. In order to enhance the ship's speed, the great scientist of the Southern Qi Dynasty (what year; I'm unfamiliar with this dynasty) invented the manpowered paddle wheel ship. Though not as efficient as using the sail, the paddle wheel ship was still recognized as a significant invention, which provided inspiration for the improvement of ship power later on.
When one considers the technology back then China is just like today ...Just with shipbuilding ability the could have supplied both map and boat to the slave traders , as well as colonial conquers ....This site I am reading has some ,either false or very informative data ....

During the Qin (221-206) and Han (206BC-220AD) dynasties, China's shipbuilding witnessed the first climax, when the Qin EmperorQin Shihuangorganized a fleet capable of transporting 500,000 shi (1 shi = 170 pounds /71.7 kilos) of grain in a war. As recorded in ancient books, Emperor Qin Shihuang once led a fleet composed of lou chuan (castle ships, or war ships with deck castles) for an assault on the Chu State. After the unification of all of China, he also cruised along inland rivers and navigated at sea.
By theHan Dynasty, the navy mainly composed of castle ships was much stronger. It was said that the Han government could mobilize over 2,000 castle ships and 200,000 seamen for one battle. Various kinds of warships could be found, such as Xian Deng -- an assault ship, Meng Chong -- a narrow warship for striking the enemy's warships, and Ben Ma -- a ship as fast as a galloping horse. However, the assault castle ship was still the most important among all the ships and constituted the main force of the navy. Apart from being famous, the castle ship was also the symbol for the dynasty's advanced shipbuilding techniques.


In the early years of the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368), there were more than 17,900 navy warships. The Yuan emperors would usually order thousands of warships to be built for a battle. Besides, there were a great many civil ships scattered all over the country. Meanwhile, Arabs' shipbuilding and navigation gradually declined. Therefore, Chinese four-mast sea boats could be seen on the Southern Sea and the Indian Ocean, taking the lead in navigation and shipbuilding.

The huge development in shipbuilding during the Yuan Dynasty laid an advantageous foundation for the building of five-mast warships, six-mast guest ships, seven-mast grain ships, eight-mast horse ships (which carried horses), and nine-mast precious ships (which carried valuable cargo) during theMing Dynasty........ You dont suppose that The Harlot Rome has been riding the Dragon for awhile.??
China's shipbuilding reached its third climax during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), when an unprecedented number of ships were built by employing the well-developed shipbuilding technologies of the Tang and Song dynasties.
According to some archeological discoveries and historical records, the distribution and scale of the Ming Dynasty's shipbuilding yards represented the highest level in Chinese shipbuilding history. The main shipbuilding yards included the Longjiang Shipyard inNanjingof East China'sJiangsu Province, the Qingjiang Shipyard in Huainan of East China'sAnhui Province, and the Beiqinghe Shipyard in East China's Shangdong Province, all of which boasted a large scale. There were handicrafts workshops that produced ship accessories, such as sails, ropes, and nails, to go with the shipbuilding industry. In addition, there was also a rigorous management system concerning the check, repair, and payment of ships. It was fitting that with such a strong shipbuilding industry,Zheng He' seven voyages to the western sea became possible.

In a word, after the previous two climaxes, shipbuilding in the Ming Dynasty experienced further improvement in shipbuilding technologies. The great achievements in shipbuilding during the Ming Dynasty represented an enormous contribution by the Chinese people to world civilization and human development.

Author: Jessie

So maybe we can find a Road to Rome .......peace

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The fact that the "writer" (propagandist) states that the ark came to rest on Mt. Ararat was the first red flag. The "writer's" complete and shameless dishonesty (or is it simple mental vacuity) regarding the historicity of Christ mark this story as a bull spinner's web of lies. Can you believe that someone went through all that trouble just to put a big red X on Jesus? My people are destroyed by ignorance.

How did proto come to the conclusion that Caesar didn't die? Also how did he know that Caesar lived in Seborga? I agree with most of the conclusions he came to but there's a few that seem too far fetched.

Proto is one of the most respected member at ATS and without a doubt a Legend here.
Many referred to him as the Spartacus of the 21st century.

Proto went veeeery deep into the rabbit hole, where TPTB would called, '' The Forbidden Zone ''
he earned trust of whistleblowers, intimidation never stopped him but he’s paid a heavy
price for his courageous actions and sadly, he is not with us anymore but it's up to us
now to find everything we don't completely understand, to continue his....and now our!
crusade against TPTB to expose to the world the real secret face of ROME..!

World economic crash, disasters, Wars, epidemics, propaganda, global chaos...
If 2013 will really be a major turning point towards a One World Empire in 2033 well,
we may only have 13 months left to change our future...

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Can you answer my question about how he concluded that Caesar was living in Seborga? Also how did he get the date 2033? Sorry if this has already been asked. I haven't read through all of the pages yet.

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if you really believe 2013 is a GO DATE...and you disagree with the agenda...are you taking any physical action right now to prepare?

are you looking to move outside the country, etc?

god bless proto

Originally posted by targeting
reply to post by mick1423

 

I haven't read through all of the pages yet.

My dear friend,

I see that you are relatively new here so first, '' welcome to the ATS community ''. I am sure you will bring interesting discoveries about TPTB and the new world order.

One thing at a time and one day at a time. I would suggest you to first read each and every post in this thread. ( i know that it could mean months of reading but it's important ) Then explore by your self the web to find more. Post here everthing new you can find that is not in this thread already.

Sadly, Proto's absence will not help, he's gone with many answers to our questions, he is not here anymore but it is to us now to continue to find answers about our secret history, TPTB's secret agenda and continue the crusade to exposed everything the secret society of the Roman Empire did in history, their role in many catastrophic events and chaos we are seing all around the world today and also the secret agenda they designed for our futur...

You are welcome to U2U me if you need my help
Welcome aboard..!

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Proto's 2013 turning point date, could really be part of TPTB's real secret agenda. All that propaganda on TV about 2012 seems really too much to not be part of something fishy...! Seriously think about it, since 2000 the world feels like a movie, too much coincidences and weird events happened and still today...

What do i do to get prepared..., well...i keep my self debt free and self-sufficient and happy as much as possible and it's IMO the best thing to do and in my leasure time....i come here to help the crusade against TPTB.

There is a secret Templar archive in the principality of Seborga in northern Italy
which has recently been discovered containing documents that demand further
study.

It is claimed that Rome sent St Bernard of Clairvaux to founded a monastery there
in 1113, to protect a 'Great Secret' Rome told St Bernard of Clairvaux the ‘’ Great Secret ’’
of Seborga and told him to create a new kind of Military Legion from there. The Order of
the Knight Templar was imo, symbolically created where the Roman Empire was last ruled
from the shadow and by the real father of the Roman Empire…Julius Caesar !

This monastery under the direction of its abbot, Edouard, contained two monks
who had joined the order with Bernard, two knights who took the names of Gondemar
and Rosal on their profession as monks. One document claims that in February 11
17 Bernard came to this monastery released Gondemar and Rosal from their vows
and then blessed these two monks and their seven companions, prior to their
departure to Jerusalem. This departure was not immediate and did not take place
until November 1118.





The value of the Seborga luigino is pegged to the USD at 1 luigino : US$ 6.00.
That would make it the world's highest-valued currency unit.

curency converter

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The principality of Seborga is the last surviving uninterrupted state of the original Roman Republic.

To this day it is ruled by a Roman Prince and has never been part of any other nation. Italy has never been able to annex it though it still tries. It has been protected over the years by the Piedmont Kings of Sardinia and the Holy Sea.

It was contractually granted through treaty not just it's perpetual independence but the right to reject any G-d or religious Icon by Charlemagne.

Seborga’s currency has the highest exchange rate in the world.

The Prince Abbot who ran the Abbey on top of Seborga’s hill which is the holiest spot in Rome since the earliest days of the Republic is reputed to be the mythical Mt. Olympus.

Amongst the things that they excavated in Jerusalem was the remains of Christ which they carried back to the Abbey on top of Seborga’s hill. The Roman Imperial Scepter also is there.

The Knights Templar were bequeathed with extraordinary powers by the Pontificus Maximus to act as a law unto themselves in any land or nation that they travelled through. They were answerable only to the Pope.

The Knights Templar established the first International Banking System. Pilgrims travelling to the Holy Land could deposit money and valuables at any Templar location throughout Europe and be issued a letter that could be redeemed for a like amount of Gold or Silver in Jerusalem by the Knights Templar there minus a small commission.

They became the first International Corporation. When the King of France reneged on paying them back a large loan he convinced the Pope to pronounce them heretics for practicing mystical religious rites from scrolls they excavated from the Temple in Jerusalem where they were encamped for the better part of 3 centuries.

Some Knight Templar went on to found the Scottish Rite Free Masonry organization based on some of those rituals.

Rome simply went underground and owns and controls all most every nation on earth through treaties that date back centuries and sometimes millennium.

They have been practicing divide and conquer warfare to use national pride, racial differences, political and religious differences to establish common laws, common commerce and banking and currency practices to bind the nations together and to force exterminations and migrations on a slow path to creating a one world government.

They are almost but not quite finished in that process.

Don’t believe me, read all the Treaties between sovereign nations, look at the architecture in governmental buildings of power, the origins and roots of the laws, and the use of Latin in them, and in science, and medicine and on our currency and then think again.

Hail Caesar!

The All Roads Lead to Rome thread is one of the most popular conspiracy thread on the internet. it was republished by many websites and exposed, all around the world..!

I just found an article of a journalist of the '' ALLVOICES Local to Global news Network '' who wrote about ProtoplasmicTraveler's thread: All Roads Lead to Rome.

Did Caesar Survive His Assassination?

Seborga : Italy | Mar 17, 2011 at 10:14 PM
PDT By SofiaAmbrosia

As we all know, the history books certainly say so, that at the height of his power, Caesar was assassinated by Brutus and company. The 24 fasces and axe bearing lictors, who he apparently dismissed permanently, could have prevented his assassination - at least as it was carried out by 23 dagger thrusting men on March 15, the Ides of March. On top of it all, he was supposedly warned to "beware the Ides of March!" I ask of Caesar, were you that sick of it all?

Another big question is, why would Caesar throw away all that he had accomplished by opening himself up to the possibility of an assassination? The answer is he didn’t!

According to a publication entitled, All Roads Lead to Rome, it is believed in certain circles that Caesar survived his murder plot, which took place on March 15th and fled to safety, regaining consciousness on March 22nd. His inner circle then took him to the remote town of Castrum Sepulcri, where he lived for another thirteen years in secrecy.

From Castrum Sepulcri, he ruled from behind the scenes, directing the new triumvirate of Anthony, Lepidus and Octavian. Here Caesar would hatch his master plan to divide and conquer numerous nations and create an even more impressive Roman Empire, what we would now call, a “One World Government.”

Situated on the border of Gaul, in present-day France, Castrum Sepulcri was later named "Sepulcri Bugrum", then to "Serporca" and ultimately to the contemporary name of Seborga. There is no reason why this small principality in Italy, does not still protect the relics of supposedly the best Roman General and Ruler that at least the Ancient Roman world has ever known!

We all know of the “Holy Crusades” but it was this small principality’s Abbott who bestowed the title of “Knights Templar” to eight men who came to represent and carry out the objectives of the Holy Roman Empire in the Near East. If you look at the facades of Seborga buildings, they often feature paintings of knights. Personally, Seborga is on my list to head out to on my next trip to Italy.

For their service they were also given the knowledge that Caesar had survived his assassination and that the Roman Catholic Church was created to further carry out those objectives of world domination through the institution of strict religious beliefs and world-wide religious conversion. It’s plausible but many of us need spirituality to turn to and find it comforting – even if it is a unifying spirituality.

In recent years there have been many books on the Templars. There are also enough cable television documentaries that say that the Templars then became the Masons, or today's Freemasons. The point that the publication I'm referencing, All Roads Lead to Rome, makes is that Caesar was the very first Freemason. It is the Freemasons who formed secret societies, even going back to Revolutionary times and the Founding Fathers of our nation.

Apparently, it is also for this regaining of Caesar's consciousness on the March 22nd that the Skull and Bones 322 society was named. This society has been spoken about ad nauseum on documentaries shown on cable television. Per "conspiracy theorists," they supposedly carry out Caesar's agenda for a One World government to this very day, along with other elitists around the world. There seems to be a major movement to get these "secrets" out into the mainstream. So this was Caesar's legacy for a New World?

Caesar lived!!!

Proto, revealed to us here at ATS, the real identity of TPTB, their role in history and their Secret Agenda for our futur. It's now to us to expose it to the rest of the world..!

Things are getting worse fast and TPTB had definitely prepared something big for 2012 so... we may not have much time left..!

I'm about to start reading this thread over the holiday break in December (no time now). Just wondering through - what happened to "Proto?" I see several here saying he isn't on ATS any more and I see his status as Banned. What happened exactly?

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Unfortunately, all talks about what happened to Thomas Henley AKA '' ProtoplasmicTraveler '' is forbbiden by ATS Administration and ATS owners. sorry..! All we can do for now is to continue to post in his All Roads Lead to Rome thread about his research findings.

All you can find about TPTB / ROME can be post here.
Welcome aboard my friend..!

Originally posted by mick1423
reply to post by HardToStarboard

 

Unfortunately, all talks about what happened to Thomas Henley AKA '' ProtoplasmicTraveler '' is forbbiden by ATS Administration and ATS owners. sorry..! All we can do for now is to continue to post in his All Roads Lead to Rome thread about his research findings.

All you can find about TPTB / ROME can be post here.
Welcome aboard my friend..!

Well, that's just bizarre.

EDIT: Got a private message that explained it all (read the Charmed Life thread over on Proto's site). All I can say is, good lord, what drama. This reminds me of what my wife and I always say after watching an episode of Big Love or Breaking Bad - "Thank God we're normal!"

Here is some very interesting videos about the corruption of the Vatican and how powerful financially Rome is but it 'is probablly even alot more poweful and we may only be able to expose the tip of the iceberg....

Old Anonymous Logo



New Anonymous Logo



This next concidence could only be a theory but who knows, it really looks suspicious and who really knows who is behind the mask...

In its early form, the concept of Anonymous, has been adopted by a decentralized online community acting anonymously in a coordinated manner, usually toward a loosely self-agreed goal. Often with the goal of promoting internet freedom and freedom of speech.

Since around 2008, the Anonymous image and structure seems to have change radically. Nobody really knows how but they became more strategic and organised. They also have more influence and visibility.

Could TPTB stole the image of Anonymous to use it as an agent provocateur organisation, to push world popullation to chaos to then force Order with martial law...

One thing we mostly agree in the conspiracy community it's the probability that TPTB could take control of world population by using martial law but to force order it needs first... '' chaos..! ''. Many chaotic events could be use to declare martial law like, terrorist attacks, natural disasters, epidemics or it could be use with combined disasters but a civil war is IMO, the best excuse.

Look at the unusual evolution of the Anonymous logo. It went from the Anonymous mask to a United Nation like design with the Roman laurel wreath with on both side 13 leafs and a 36 section earth logo and what about the new image name...'' We are Legion '' it seems that all it's missing is '' Hail Caesar..! ''

Kind of weird for an organisation which supposed to be against TPTB don't you think....and we knows the audacious habbit of Rome to secretly put its mark on its conquered countries, organisations, secret societies and Legions...

Ii's very hard to really find the truth about Anonymous but sometimes, strange coincidences should not be put aside...This funny pic i found on internet, express IMO, the consequences of not trying to understand the world around us and the system(matrix) we live in.

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Look at the unusual evolution of the Anonymous logo. It went from the Anonymous mask to a United Nation like design with the Roman laurel wreath with on but side 13 leafs and a 36 section earth logo and what about the new image name...'' We are Legion '' it seems that all it missing is '' Hail Caesar..! ''

Kind of weird for organization which supposed to be against TPTB don't you think....and we knows the audacious mind of Rome for secretly exposing its mark on their conquered countries, organizations and Legions...

I think the '' Hail Caesar..! '' assumption is always "implied" in general Roman associations.

One thing we mostly agree in the conspiracy community it's the probability that TPTB could take control of world population by using martial law but to force order it needs first... '' chaos..! ''. Many chaotic events could be use to declare martial law like, terrorist attacks, natural disasters, epidemics but a civil war is IMO, the best excuse.

Perhaps one "reduced" form of "martial law" is already here.
The whole job and work thing is already displaying a "slave" atmosphere with all the reduced wages and benefits systematically implemented over time. Something like the slow boiling frog theory.

Jobs and benefits are being systematically replaced by welfare systems.

Wealths of "nations" are being systematically transferred to investment vehicles all controlled by TPTB in London/New York firms.

People today are actually limited by the financial restrictions not necessarily their fault.
DeFacto martial law as opposed to a straight forward conventional "legislated" De Jure technique.

The gigantic financial "crisis" is a pitfall for the average world citizen, while having the appearances of impacting "governments" and "nations".

The NWO may actually be here in the form of the 98 year Federal Reserve and the wildfire psychopathic worldwide central bank system. If they are on a 100 year plan .... look out for the "mick1423 - 2013 idea" !

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wow, i didn't realize they were using such overt roman symbolism

maybe the movement was real at one point..maybe they hijacked it

amazing!!!!!