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Originally posted by Jordan River
Wanted to give proto props. He is still coming off with logical conclusions, feedback and positive rhetoric, AMAZING. I am well pleased, ERMAN would be proud. ROFL
Originally posted by xuenchen
Originally posted by Jordan River
Wanted to give proto props. He is still coming off with logical conclusions, feedback and positive rhetoric, AMAZING. I am well pleased, ERMAN would be proud. ROFL
I second that !!
the knowlege is great (especially when one agrees)!
Originally posted by Jordan River
Wanted to give proto props. He is still coming off with logical conclusions, feedback and positive rhetoric, AMAZING. I am well pleased, ERMAN would be proud. ROFL
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Oh wow, you mean my observational skills have not failed me, and my ego is not out of control, as I worry about nothing but my overall image and popularity?
Thanks for the kind words my friend.
Originally posted by Jordan River
Originally posted by xuenchen
Originally posted by Jordan River
Wanted to give proto props. He is still coming off with logical conclusions, feedback and positive rhetoric, AMAZING. I am well pleased, ERMAN would be proud. ROFL
I second that !!
the knowlege is great (especially when one agrees)!
all that aside, what do you purpose on his theory. IMO, I would obvious make some things tweekable.
Originally posted by xuenchen
But one thing always stays the same .... The Money Factor !
Haman was also an astrologer, and when he was about to fix the time for the genocide of the Jews he first cast lots to ascertain which was the most auspicious day of the week for that purpose.[3] Each day, however, proved to be under some influence favorable to the Jews.[3] He then sought to fix the month, but found that the same was true of each month; thus, Nisan was favorable to the Jews because of the Passover sacrifice; Iyyar, because of the small Passover.[3] But when he arrived at Adar he found that its zodiacal sign was Pisces, and he said, "Now I shall be able to swallow them as fish which swallow one another" (Esth. R. vii.; Targ. Sheni iii.).[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haman_%28Bible%29
Originally posted by Jordan River
Few things I would like to see is much more vatican finger pointing as judaism.
Later, in the 290s, the emperor Diocletian carried out a series of administrative reforms, ushering the period of the Dominate. These reforms also saw the number of Roman provinces increased, and the creation of a new administrative level, the diocese. The dioceses, initially twelve, grouped several provinces, each with its own governor. The dioceses were headed by a vicarius, or, more properly, by a vices agens praefectorum praetorio ("deputy of the praetorian prefects"). An exception was the Diocese of Oriens, which was headed by a comes.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Now when you consider that Serbsta provided the U.S. Law that gives the Pope who is also a vicarius, the Vicar of Christ, or Christ's substitue the right to veto and strike down any law passed by Congress, and then realize that our own nation is carved up into dioceses, what you see is that we do in fact live in a collection of Roman States that the Pope has a lot of control over through that ability to veto any of our laws.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
we are all constantly engaged in a Roman created system of religious ritual without even knowing it, literally every time we spend a dollar we are taking part in a religious ceremony by proclaiming we Trust in God when we spend it, or recieve one in exchange for labor, goods or services.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
So sometimes dozens of times a day we are paying homage to the Pope, and pledging our trust to him, in all these ceremonies that we don't even recognize as ceremonies, but subtly reinforce a system of control that creates and frames our reality and binds us all together in it, and that it's Rome who created all these systems, thus are reality, and that is how they rule us, even when we aren't religious, or aren't catholic, or even swear up and down we would never submit to the Pope or Rome.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Yet we do, day after day, everytime we spend a dollar, or obey the direction and laws of our officials who all take oaths to God to gain their office, that God being the vicarius of Christ, his official substitute on earth.
Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that. Luke 22: 25-26
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
They convinced us we are better than that, that civilized human beings don't sit in a coloseum watching people kill each other for sport, instead they trained us to go out in the world, in the name of God and kill people who don't believe and take their land and resources and give it to our state,
CONSTITUTOR, civil law
CONSTITUTOR, civil law. He who promised by a simple pact to pay the debt of another; and this is always a principal obligation. Inst. 4, 6, 9. another; and this is always a principal obligation. Inst. 4, 6, 9.
CONSTITUTUM
constitutum n. [Latin "agreed arrangement"] Roman law. 1.
An agreement to pay an existing debt, either one's own or another's, on a fixed day.
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it."
Originally posted by Thepreye
Man!! page 132 of a thread and it's as good as this page, awesome I've never seen the like on the web anywhere, stars are not good enough for the level of post quality I see here, I'm buzzing my tits off and at risk of dying from an information overdose. Vive la revolution!!edit on 2-11-2010 by Thepreye because: 132 for 131
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
Early legal codes
Excavations in modern-day Iraq by Ernest de Sarzec in 1877 found evidence of the earliest known code of justice, issued by the Sumerian king Urukagina of Lagash ca 2300 BC. Perhaps the earliest prototype for a law of government, this document itself has not yet been discovered; however it is known that it allowed some rights to his citizens. For example, it is known that it relieved tax for widows and orphans, and protected the poor from the usury of the rich.
Detail from Hammurabi's stele shows him receiving the laws of Babylon from the seated sun deity.
After that, many governments ruled by special codes of written laws. The oldest such document still known to exist seems to be the Code of Ur-Nammu of Ur (ca 2050 BC). Some of the better-known ancient law codes include the code of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin, the code of Hammurabi of Babylonia, the Hittite code, the Assyrian code and Mosaic law.
[edit] Later constitutions
Diagram illustrating the classification of constitutions by Aristotle.
In 621 BC a scribe named Draco codified the cruel oral laws of the city-state of Athens; this code prescribed the death penalty for many offences (nowadays very severe rules are often called "Draconian"). In 594 BC Solon, the ruler of Athens, created the new Solonian Constitution. It eased the burden of the workers, and determined that membership of the ruling class was to be based on wealth (plutocracy), rather than by birth (aristocracy). Cleisthenes again reformed the Athenian constitution and set it on a democratic footing in 508 BC.
Aristotle (ca 350 BC) was one of the first in recorded history to make a formal distinction between ordinary law and constitutional law, establishing ideas of constitution and constitutionalism, and attempting to classify different forms of constitutional government. The most basic definition he used to describe a constitution in general terms was "the arrangement of the offices in a state". In his works Constitution of Athens, Politics, and Nicomachean Ethics he explores different constitutions of his day, including those of Athens, Sparta, and Carthage. He classified both what he regarded as good and bad constitutions, and came to the conclusion that the best constitution was a mixed system, including monarchic, aristocratic, and democratic elements. He also distinguished between citizens, who had the right to participate in the state, and non-citizens and slaves, who did not.
The Romans first codified their constitution in 449 BC as the Twelve Tables. They operated under a series of laws that were added from time to time, but Roman law was never reorganised into a single code until the Codex Theodosianus (AD 438); later, in the Eastern Empire the Codex repetitæ prælectionis (534) was highly influential throughout Europe. This was followed in the east by the Ecloga of Leo III the Isaurian (740) and the Basilica of Basil I (878).
The Edicts of Ashoka established constitutional principles for the 3rd century BC Maurya king's rule in Ancient India.
Many of the Germanic peoples that filled the power vacuum left by the Western Roman Empire in the Early Middle Ages codified their laws. One of the first of these Germanic law codes to be written was the Visigothic Code of Euric (471). This was followed by the Lex Burgundionum, applying separate codes for Germans and for Romans; the Pactus Alamannorum; and the Salic Law of the Franks, all written soon after 500. In 506, the Breviarum or "Lex Romana" of Alaric II, king of the Visigoths, adopted and consolidated the Codex Theodosianus together with assorted earlier Roman laws. Systems that appeared somewhat later include the Edictum Rothari of the Lombards (643), the Lex Visigothorum (654), the Lex Alamannorum (730) and the Lex Frisionum (ca 785). These continental codes were all composed in Latin, whilst Anglo-Saxon was used for those of England, beginning with the Code of Ethelbert of Kent (602). In ca. 893, Alfred the Great combined this and two other earlier Saxon codes, with various Mosaic and Christian precepts, to produce the Doom Book code of laws for England.
The Pylyp Orlyk Constitution is regarded as the first in the world to establish the separation of government powers into the legislative, executive and judicial branches. The document consists of a preamble and sixteen articles. According to the constitution, legislative power was vested in the General Council (parliament), which was to hold three annual sessions. The Hetman and the General Staff Council constituted the executive branch, while legal matters fell under the jurisdiction of the General Court. Thus the Ukrainian constitution of 1710 preceded those of the United States, France and Poland, and attested to the democratic thinking of the Ukrainian Cossack elite.
Many of the Germanic peoples that filled the power vacuum left by the Western Roman Empire in the Early Middle Ages codified their laws. One of the first of these Germanic law codes to be written was the Visigothic Code of Euric (471). This was followed by the Lex Burgundionum, applying separate codes for Germans and for Romans; the Pactus Alamannorum; and the Salic Law of the Franks, all written soon after 500. In 506, the Breviarum or "Lex Romana" of Alaric II, king of the Visigoths, adopted and consolidated the Codex Theodosianus together with assorted earlier Roman laws. Systems that appeared somewhat later include the Edictum Rothari of the Lombards (643), the Lex Visigothorum (654), the Lex Alamannorum (730) and the Lex Frisionum (ca 785). These continental codes were all composed in Latin, whilst Anglo-Saxon was used for those of England, beginning with the Code of Ethelbert of Kent (602). In ca. 893, Alfred the Great combined this and two other earlier Saxon codes, with various Mosaic and Christian precepts, to produce the Doom Book code of laws for England.
The Constitution of Medina (Arabic: صحیفة المدینه, Ṣaḥīfat al-Madīna), also known as the Charter of Medina, was drafted by the Islamic prophet Muhammad. It constituted a formal agreement between Muhammad and all of the significant tribes and families of Yathrib (later known as Medina), including Muslims, Jews, and pagans.[6][7] The document was drawn up with the explicit concern of bringing to an end the bitter inter tribal fighting between the clans of the Aws (Aus) and Khazraj within Medina. To this effect it instituted a number of rights and responsibilities for the Muslim, Jewish, and pagan communities of Medina bringing them within the fold of one community—the Ummah.[8]
Agreements and Constitutions of Laws and Freedoms of the Zaporizian Host can be acknowledged as the first European constitution in a modern sense.[15] It was written in 1710 by Pylyp Orlyk, hetman of the Zaporozhian Host.
There are several other documents now available in various places which refer to the original founding of the Iroquois, and they seem to substantiate this document as probably truthful and accurate. This version was prepared by Arthur C. Parker, Archeolo gist of the State Museum in New York in 1915, and published by the University of the State of New York as Bulletin 184 on April 1, 1916. It is entitled: The Constitution of the Five Nations - or - The Iroquois Book of the Great Law. In it, you will find close parallels to our Executive, Legislative and Judiciary branches of government as originally described in our U. S. Constitution.