All Roads Lead to Rome

Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by serbsta

 

Man people really want to take others down on this site.

You can sit until you are blue in the face and say
prove me that
or prove me this

But you are asking proof by papers to be produced by the very same entity that Proto is accusing
of being behind the whole conspiracy
And that is the very same circular reasoning that causes people to believe all outlets of those in control
(ie the money that influences corporations that provide services to schools and news outlets and monthly and "free publications" ummmmmm other owned CORPORATIONS) THE LIST GOES ON... ETC.................

edit on 10/25/2010 by Josephus23 because: FIGURE IT OUT

You make some very valid points Josephus23 and as you know the more controversial a topic and the more it challenges long held emotional dogmas the more belligerent people become assailing it.

When DeepThroat exposed Watergate, the Nixon ordered break in of the Democratic National Headquarters by a few car sales people from Anthony Abraham Chevrolet here in Miami, I think it safe to say that had those Cuban American Car Salesmen bragged at work the next day they just carried out a petty burgalary for the President of the United States in Washington D.C. the night before when they were at work in Miami the previous day selling cars, and back at work the very next day selling cars no one would have believed them and there would have been no level of proof that they could have provided to convince anyone.

Yet the truth is that it was just a few car salesmen from Anthony Abraham Chevrolet who had done some contract work for the CIA regarding Cuba that had broken into the Democratic Headquarters in Washington D.C. on orders of President Richard Nixon.

Now DeepThroat actually approached a New York Times Reporter first and had lunch with them in New York City and discussed the fact that he may have information regarding that burglary.

The reporter discussed it with his editor and they decided not to pursue it.

Anyone who watched the movie subsequently made would know that DeepThroat never provided proof to Woodward and Burnstien but simply told them places they might want to look for proof, people they might want to investigate, and when they were on the right track or on the wrong track.

He couldn't provide them proof for two reasons, one was because he would have exposed his sources and who he was in the process and that he could not do. He was a high ranking officer in the Federal Government who's supperiors were interested in covering up the Burglary and not exposing it. Ultimately the man he was going after was the most powerful man in the United States, one who had already displayed that he would happily hire criminals to carry out illegal acts. Yet more importantly DeepThroat knew that if Woodward and Burnstein uncovered the evidence themselves they would not have to then question it's authenticity or discern a political motive behind the evidence. That the best people to convince them were they themselves.

This is what I have invited everyone in this thread to do, to investigate and convince yourself or dismiss it yourself.

Some people as you well know have considered the Opening Piece to be credible enough to warrant doing just that, and as you know some of those people who rose to that challeng become more convinced every day as they discover one thing after another and one event after another the leads directly back to Rome or started out of Rome.

The bulk of people on ATS are not conspiracy theorists, they aren't really interested in how to investigate a conspiracy or know how to. They are really here for entertainment. Many are here to promote a religious or national cause, and use the site as a mainstream soapbox.

Yet for genuine conspiracy theorists and buffs, this thread is a wealth of information and clues that has shed a vast amount of light on the world we live in.

I don't expect everyone to agree with it, but I sure do question the motives of those who seem to want to make a career out of disagreeing with it and the tactics they use to sometimes do that.

Most people are going to make up their minds off the Opening Piece, it is the longest opening piece to ever grace the site and after reading it, as we have often seen people are either going to say "That's the biggest load of crap I have ever heard" or "That's brilliant, and makes so much sense, I can see how it all really fits".

I don't really feel arguments made here on the back pages over the same points of contention held by a few are going to influence those who disagreed with it, or agreed with it.

I personally view them as a vehicle to keep the thread on the board since they never add anything topical, new or informative.

I do wish they could respect that there are new elements that constantly develop like the Vatican coming out and ordering the U.N. to end the illegal occupation of parts of Palestine and not interfere in a topical discussion of those new ellements to deflect away from them with the same old questions asked by the same old people dozens of times before and answered dozens of times before.

Yet this is the politics of ATS and we pretty much just have to accept that these types of personalities feel some personal advantage in doing so.

Hang in there, it's hard to get the truth out there through all the noise, but people are only making noise because we are getting the truth out there!

Thanks.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
To a lesser but important extent how Rome has used religion, banking, military, law and technology to complete this conquest of the world to create common laws and systems and a control grid.

Oh, OK.

Then this is where we differ.

I would argue that the religious conspiracy is the primary conspiracy and animates all of the other conspiracies.

Michael

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
To a lesser but important extent how Rome has used religion, banking, military, law and technology to complete this conquest of the world to create common laws and systems and a control grid.

Oh, OK.

Then this is where we differ.

I would argue that the religious conspiracy is the primary conspiracy and animates all of the other conspiracies.

Michael

There are a number of other posters who would honestly agree with you, but largely in part because religion is the most important aspect of their life.

Arguably how Rome has popularized religion through the alleged eyes of one Abraham and his take on God has come to frame reality for 2/3rds of the human race who are either Jewish, Christian or Muslim.

So yes it has formed the primary basis for our shared reality to the extent that even Hindus and Budhists and Communists and Athiests have to deal with aspects that religious reality has created.

Yet why it's not the primary aspect of this conspiracy and it's hard to argue what is the primary aspect of this conspiracy with the person who wrote the conspiracy and I am that person is because...that instilled shared reality then is simply used as the control grid to bind people into accepting so many other machinations by the Powers that Be, regarding banking, war, law, security, and technology and science.

While God remains a very important spiritual aspect of people's lives that I am in no way trying to deminish these are the things people do not typically turn to God for...legal representation in dealing with the laws that regulate almost every aspect of our existence, money emblazoned with an entreaty to trust in that God to procure food, lodging and entertainment, wars are fought exclusively by soldiers and non-believers and or infadels manage to wrack up impressive and significant body counts without having God in uniform along with them, God will not be selling you your new computer or cell phone or the other wireless electronically connected devices that comprise a growing control grid, God will not be working in research in the medicine that may give you a disease or supressing the cures for things that may cure you of a disease.

In other words the spiritual elements of the Roman Conspiracy regarding religion have nothing to do with the physical ellements that they are employing to control and govern and steer the human populace.

That's why religion is really not the primary element of this conspiracy with further consideration to the very real fact that arguments regarding religious purity can not be won, which is why we see different sects of Judaism at odds with one another, different sects of Christianity at odds with one another, and different sects of Islam at odds with one another, while all three main branches remain at odds with one another even violently so, which amazingly they don't even see as deminishing their shared notions of God but promoting each one's own unique take on what God wants.

So yes we could all argue about religion like the world has done for 2,000 years, and argue it for another 2,000 years in an argument that can only be won, if and when, and if God shows up, proves and defines his existence and what he really wants and expects and displays the ability and desire to command and demand and get it.

So as I have asked many others who would like to make this debate all about theology, to please respect it's a general conspiracy, that the only important religious aspect is, that religion is a tool being disengenously used by Rome to manipulate the masses.

While it might be spiritually important to you and others what is 'correct' regarding the practice of spirituality, it has absolutely no bearing on the fact that yes Rome is using religion to manipulate the masses along with many other things too.

There are forums and threads on ATS dedicated to nothing but theological discussion and I tried opening an off topic thread for people who want to discuss nothing but theology in how the feel it pertains to this discussion, but sadly the very same people who want to derail this thread by turning it into a religious discussion on theology demanded that thread be shut down within minutes.

Simply put NO religion is not the primary aspect of this conspiracy, it's simply one of the primary tools in this conspiracy.

Discerning what real religion as God really wants it is not only not going to take place in this thread, because it has never happened in 2,000 years, but it's not going to stop Rome from continuing to use religion to manipulate the masses, and it sure is not going to stop them from using all the other things like banking, military, law, science and technology either.

All it will do is overshadow and prevent a discussion on how they are using banking, military, law, science and technology to control the world also.

And misrepresent the thread in the process.

As the person who wrote the thread I really do know what it's about and what it's primary focus is.

Thanks.

If after crushing the Pompeians in Spain Caesar was deified were his successors regarded as gods, could that be who Bush was referring to when he claimed to speak with god and who the Pope represents, I expect this has come up already in the depths of the thread so excuse my ignorance?

While I'm asking if stuff has already come up do we know any extant family names of imperial or patrician clans/families?

Originally posted by Thepreye
, could that be who Bush was referring to when he claimed to speak with god and who the Pope represents,
While I'm asking if stuff has already come up do we know any extant family names of imperial or patrician clans/families?

I doubt it.

Originally posted by Thepreye
If after crushing the Pompeians in Spain Caesar was deified were his successors regarded as gods, could that be who Bush was referring to when he claimed to speak with god and who the Pope represents, I expect this has come up already in the depths of the thread so excuse my ignorance?

While I'm asking if stuff has already come up do we know any extant family names of imperial or patrician clans/families?

We did discuss this earlier in the thread. Where we did theorize this is entirely possible since the Pope as the Vicar of Christ is legally God on Earth.

So it is concievable that George Bush was talking to the Pope on the Telephone and the Pope did tell him to invade Iraq.

If this had happened, since the Pope is legally considered God on Earth by Treaty and Legal Definition, then Bush would not have been lying.

reply to post by sweetliberty

HA! I'm not sure what exactly you are trying to say here

Very simple that you have at least one other account www.abovetopsecret.com... which is common knowledge to a number of other posters on ATS because you informed them of such when you invited them to participate in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now do you really want to open that can of worms, you created in your choice to pursue me here to ATS for off topic reasons.

Or would you like to keep distrubting this thread for the purpose of attention until it becomes common knowledge why you are doing that on this thread?

The topic is Rome, the conspiracy to form a one world government using religion, banking, law, military, science and technology by the hidden Roman Empire that has never died.

As far as how many accounts you really have, I have no idea, but it can be proven that you do have those two, as can an interaction with me that predates ATS.

I realize you are desperate for attention, and are obsessed, but do you really think it's fair to ATS to carry it to this extreme.

I know you have all gotten together to coordinate an other attack on the thread, and I really am urging the handful of you involved to just find something honest and sincere to do instead.

Thanks.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

In other words the spiritual elements of the Roman Conspiracy regarding religion have nothing to do with the physical ellements that they are employing to control and govern and steer the human populace.

Well, I will not again interfere with your secularist fantasy world.

But fundmental definitions of Moral Good and Evil, questions about death and what happens after death, and questions about whether there is, ultimately, any Punishment for Evil or Reward for Righteousness are all fundamentally theological issues; and these considerations are at the very foundation of every human decision.

And the fact that the Roman church has been directly involved in slaughtering those who taught that Jesus taught the "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', similar to Buddhism; and in censoring and suppressing and destroying that Truth through the destruction of the writings of the Gnostics and the Albigensians, is not irrelevant to the moral degeneration of Western civilization.

Michael

reply to post by sweetliberty

it is you who would not wish the can of worms to be opened! I will never have anything to hide, I AM transparent. Try me!

Speaking of the United Nations when the former Chief Weapons Inspector Jack McGeorge who authored the now infamous Weapons of Mass Destruction report died a year ago and it was revealed here on ATS that he was a former president of the Black Rose Society and left a surviving female and male slave, the fact that he was involved in an alternative lifestyle as a Master really did not matter to anyone here on ATS.

It especially didn’t matter to anyone in support of the war in Iraq and the war against Islam in general.

Which I think goes to show a couple of things, even when convenient information is later discredited by history itself, as happened when it turned out that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the people who that information served originally really don’t care.

Two that people are far less concerned about the messenger than the message.

The topic though continues to be Rome and how it uses religion, banking, law, military and science and technology to continue to secretly conquest and rule the world.

By the way that alternative lifestyle itself has it's roots and dates back to Rome and is actually rooted in the ancient practice of Patrician Law where the male Patriarch of the house was it's absolute authority.

So in a very odd way, the latest attempt to smear me would almost be topical!

I don't know why I'm bothering to post here anymore,but for the sake of the readers,.....

When asked about…Â “Liberation theology.” Ratzinger said.. “The ‘absolute good’ (and this means building a just socialist society) becomes the moral norm that justifies everything else, including–if necessary–violence, homicide, mendacity.” Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger ~Â US News & World Report, Dec 2, 1985

That’s Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, a documented Nazi soldier of the Hitler war effort and present Pope Benedict 16 of the Roman Catholic church speaking here. Still, some will say, this is merely the crazed words of one rogue Pope, and it’s not the official position of the Roman Catholic church to control all governments on earth under a socialistic church empire. If that’s your opinion, then please explain the following statements from the Roman Catholic church.

“There is, ere long, to be a state religion in this country, and that state religion is to be the Roman Catholic.” 1st. The Roman Catholic is to wield his vote for the purpose of securing Catholic ascendancy in this country. 2nd. All legislation must be governed by the will of God, unerringly indicated by the pope. 3rd. Education must be controlled by Catholic Authorities, and under education the opinions of the individual and the utterances of the press are included, and many opinions are to be forbidden by the secular arm, under the authority of the Church, even to war and bloodshed.” (Father Hecker, Catholic World, July 1870.)

Undoubtedly it is the intention of the pope to possess this country. In this intention he is aided by the Jesuits, and all the Catholic prelates and priests.” (Brownson’s Review, May 1864)

“See, sir, from this Chamber, I govern, not only to Paris, but to China; not only to China, but to all the world, without anyone knowing how I do it.” (Tamburini, General of the Jesuits.)

“Harmony between the different social classes must be re-established; peace must reign on earth. This is the task I intend to perform for you; this is the duty I promise to fulfil that all may once again be subject to the dominion of God, Jesus Christ and His Vicar on earth.” – Saint Pius X, The New Italian Life Of The Saint, by Fr. Hieronymo Dal-Gal, translated and adapted by Rev. Thomas F. Murray, M.A., fourth revised impression, published by M. H. Gill and Son Ltd., 50 Upper O’Connell Street, 1954, pg. 104.

“[It is error to believe that] The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church.” Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section VI, Errors About Civil Society, Considered Both in Itself and in its Relation to the Church, #55.

“[It is error to believe that] Kings and princes are not only exempt from the jurisdiction of the Church, but are superior to the Church in deciding questions of jurisdiction.” Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section VI, Errors About Civil Society, Considered Both in Itself and in its Relation to the Church, #54.
“[It is error to believe that] In the case of conflicting laws enacted by the two powers (Church and civil), the civil law prevails.” Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section VI, Errors About Civil Society, Considered Both in Itself and in its Relation to the Church, # 42.

The old Protestant culture is about at the end of its rope… Why can’t we make the U.S. Catholic in legislation, Catholic in justice, aims and ideals?” -Father F. X. Talbot, editor of America, official jesuit magazine for the U.S. statement in New York Globe Dec. 14, 1930

“But Constitutions can be changed, and non-Catholic sects may decline to such a point that the political proscription [ban] of them may become feasible and expedient. What protection would they have against a Catholic state?” -The State and the Church, pp.38,39, by Miller and Ryan, imprimatur of Cardinal Hayes.
“The Catholic Church in this nation must live on to accomplish her work, even though our Republican form of government disappears.” -The Catholic World, April, 1935, p.12. “

They [Catholics] must penetrate wherever possible in the administration of civil affairs… all Catholics should do all in their power to cause the constitution of states, and legislation to be modeled on the principles of the true Church.” -Encyclical of Leo XIII.

The Encyclical of Pope Pius X, issued in 1864, asserted:

the right to require the State not to leave any man free to profess his own religion;
the right to employ force;
the right to claim dominion in temporal things;
the right to have the entire control of public schools;
the right to hold princes and kings in subjection;
the right to treat all marriages as invalid which are not solemnized according to the forms of the Council of Trent;
the right to prevent the State granting to immigrants the public exercise of their own worship;
the right to require the State not to permit free expression of opinion;

The Roman Catholic church has already done most of this in Europe, including changing their Constitution to match that of the Vatican. Where is all this socialistic talk leading towards you ask? Once all 192 nations agree to allow the Pope free reign. And as of today, 175 out of 192 have done just that, Prophecy says…

Revelation 17:12, “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”
Are they on their way to splitting the planet into “ten kingdoms” you ask?

Adaptive Model of the Global World System
“The Club [of Rome] had its beginnings in April of 1968, when leaders from ten different countries gathered in Rome…The organization claims to have the solutions for world peace and prosperity...The Club of Rome has been charged with the task of overseeing the regionalizaton and unification of the entire world…

“The Club’s findings and recommendations are published from time to time in special, highly confidential reports, which are sent to the power-elite to be implemented. On 17 September 1973 the Club released one such report, entitled Regionalized and Adaptive Model of the Global World System… The document reveals that the Club has divided the world into ten political/ economic regions, which it refers to as ‘kingdoms.’”

Now do you see why the Vatican has convinced the last few presidents to allow our borders on Mexico to stay wide open? Flooding the nation with Roman Catholic Mexicans will allow for a pro-Vatican voting block that cannot be matched by any other party. This will assure Vatican interests find easy passage in the halls of Justice. Far fetched you say?...

www.remnantofgod.org...

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

We did discuss this earlier in the thread. Where we did theorize this is entirely possible since the Pope as the Vicar of Christ is legally God on Earth.

So it is concievable that George Bush was talking to the Pope on the Telephone and the Pope did tell him to invade Iraq.

Thanks, yes I'd got that, I was just struck by the thought that if Caesar was granted divinity and had descendants if they were regarded as gods by their loyal cultists/followers it might be an element or reason in this history.

I also have hazy memories of a piece I read, possibly about a book, alleging that Caesar and Cleopatra had a son called Caesarion, who escaped Octavian's assassins and who's future tale was, believe it or not, told in the new testament, as I say these are hazy memories.

reply to post by On the Edge


Interesting read, I agree with the thoughts of the writer in the linked article about the huge influx of Latino Catholics into the US and the effects this will have on future voting, re the Vatican line, the USA became such a massive treasure that various factions couldn't resist the temptation to take control by whatever means.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


It is my understanding Caesar was simply a master manipulator who couldn't hold or keep the respect of others for long as he was not a true master who was in control of himself.
If this is true, then yes, he faked his death as true masters DO NOT HIDE nor do they purposely manipulate others with such fluff, they do not demean or falsely accuse others unless they (like it is said of Caesar)... DELUSIONAL and small minded.

So if Caesar was a true master in control of himself and the same today as he was yesterday, when face to face or while the back it turned, then NO, he did not fake his death as some who have difficulty with reality claim he did.

It is my opinion Caesar didn't have the need to fake who he really was, those who need to do that, well, they are somewhat scary. I for one was very naive for a while until I was able to see someone speak opposite of what they truly are, how they truly live.
Rome is full of deceit and paranoia, I for one choose not to believe the deceitful any longer as their true life and beliefs are hidden behind closed doors.
Just for the record, my ONLY name on ATS is sweetliberty (which is to mean, liberty is sweet)... those other members who are also being falsely accused of being me, or me them...well I can only hope Rome can see through the paranoia of the Caesars.
The lifestyle you speak of did exist long ago, I know for a fact it has been abused by many wanna be's. Banker's, accountants, scientists ect... they know the power of manipulation. All we can do is live and learn, this is how we can beat the powers that hope to be.

sl

Originally posted by pjl_u2
Some little ewe brewed sheep of the author fears that Hell is upon him as he types in a thread while listening to Lady Gaga..... poor little hater of the Papacy.
Of course, the discourse is as to whether Rome "INVENTED" the hebrew religion, right?
Froto? Is that NOT your premise? There was never a Jesus of Nazareth and that Rome just made that up to "brain wash" the world, is this not the "wisdom" of your original "thinking"?
Of course one would have to overlook the Fact that Pentecost took place in Jérusalem, and from there a "Doubting Thomas" went to India.
en.wikipedia.org...


Israel the modern nation..... home of the self-declared "God's Chosen People" --- no conspiracy there some would claim.... just truth, is this correct Froto and side kick?

The very definition of catholic.

Cat - hollow, as in a predator male. Empty on the inside, these people are not alive. There are robots among us.
My god is balanced yellow at best and bluish on the inside. Can you imagine not to feel at all.
The beauty is that we spin but while spining we make choices, they threw it all away and now they want us to become like them. The true roman is a fish, these are fakes. It's she brew not he brew. The queen will soon be here. She is the begining and the end. Don't look at names, names are fake to confuse things, true latin was a native languege of the trachian tribes. La-tin as in thight flexibility, elastic.

Lalalallala to play as childs tin as to care. "Tin la tine" as in I care about you.

How dumb are people, it all started in the east, then along the way summer came and they wasted it.
What were the instructions ? don't worship the sun. The game is red.
Very notion of fe-male has bolth aspects. It all started from Zero a big "O" the lady that makes clothing with her bolth hands. She made us. So we hear in the bible "O" how have you fallen. The middle point of the O is the queen. the center of the universe.

Just my "two" cents.
Here is a nice pic.
bwzone.files.wordpress.com...

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

You like to twist things... allow me (as usual) to provide the real back-drop of the situation that took place last week during the Synod Sessions, and as to whom was involved in the communiqué which you wish to make sound as though it is Rome alone who speaks for Christendom...

VATICAN CITY, 8 OCT 2010 (VIS) - Archbishop Nikola Eterovic, secretary general of the Synod of Bishops, today held a briefing in the Holy See Press Office to inform journalists of the significance and of certain organisational aspects of the Special Assembly for the Middle East of the Synod of Bishops, due to be held in the Vatican from 10 to 24 October.

The theme of the forthcoming synodal assembly is: "The Catholic Church in the Middle East. Communion and Witness. Now the company of those who believed were of one heart and soul".

Archbishop Eterovic explained that "what we mean by Middle East, apart from Jerusalem and the Palestinian Territories, are the following sixteen States: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Cyprus, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Syria, Turkey and Yemen. This vast region of 7,180,912 square kilometres is home to 356,174,000 people, of whom 5,707,000 are Catholic, representing 1.6 percent of the population. The number of Christians stands at about 20,000,000; that is, 5.62 percent of the population".

"Apart from the Church of the Latin tradition, since earliest times there have been six 'sui iuris' Eastern Catholic Churches, each with its own patriarch, father and head of the Church: the Coptic Church, the Syrian Church, the Greek-Melkite Church, the Maronite Church, the Chaldean Church and the Armenian Church. ... The variety of traditions, spirituality, liturgy and disciplines is a great treasure to be conserved not only for the Eastern Catholic Churches, but for the whole Catholic Church presided over in charity by the Bishop of Rome, Universal Pastor of the Church".

The Special Assembly for the Middle East, Archbishop Eterovic continued, will be attended by 185 Synod Fathers including 101 ordinaries from the ecclesiastical circumscriptions of the area, and twenty-three from the diaspora who have responsibility for faithful of the Eastern Catholic Churches who have emigrated from the Middle East to all corners of the world. Also present will be thirty-six experts and thirty-four auditors, both men and women.

The sittings of the synodal assembly will also be attended by a number of fraternal delegates representing fourteen Churches and ecclesial communities with deep roots in the Middle East. The Synod Fathers will be addressed by three special guests invited by the Holy Father: Rabbi David Rosen, director for inter-religious affairs of the American Jewish Committee and the Heilbrunn Institute for International Inter-religious Understanding, Israel; Muhammad al-Sammak, political counsellor to the Grand Mufti of Lebanon, for Sunni Islam, and Ayatollah Seyed Mostafa Mohaghegh Ahmadabadi, professor at the Faculty of Law at the Shahid Beheshti University of Tehran and Member of the Iranian Academy of Sciences, for Shia Islam.

CATHOLIC = UNIVERSAL

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You like to twist things... allow me (as usual) to provide the real back-drop of the situation that took place last week during the Synod Sessions, and as to whom was involved in the communiqué which you wish to make sound as though it is Rome alone who speaks for Christendom...

Wow you got me, when I am not doubling as Caesar reincarnate as some like to muse, I write for the Israeli newspaper who published the piece I linked, because when I am not a debauched agnostic bumming around Miami Beach, I am a concerned Jew living in Israel and working as a reporter!

Considering you don't even bother to refer to me with out twisting my user name, I think this is once again an hysterical accusation.

Now who all participated in a TWO WEEK LONG eclesiastical conference and what all they discussed was not the basis of that Israeli Newspaper Article.

What the basis of that article was, was what is going to effect Israel, as a Jewish reporter, reporting in an Israeli publication honed in on those things that were relevant to their readers.

Here are some KEY WORDS from that article VATICAN, U.N., Tells U.N. to END Israeli Occupation.

So yes while I imagine that the participants in the conference discussed many things for you to twist and deflect with, none of those things particuarly were alarming to Israel.

The Vatican does not speak for Christondom, it speaks for Rome.

If you could actually lose your singular focus of religion, and take stock of the fact that you are on a conspiracy site, on a conspiracy forum, on a conspiracy thread, and this thread deals with a conspiracy and not theology you might be better suited to participate in the conversation honestly, and not have to twist things, to make theological points.

Your sole focus on ATS according to your limited posting history since recently joining is religion.

Like it or not the Vatican has told the U.N. it must end the illegal occupation of Palestine by the Israelis and it has the Israelis both worried and mad.

Thanks for another misrepresentation of me, and some rather innocuous background regarding the two week long conference that led to the Vatican telling the U.N. that it must end the illegal occupation by Israel of the occupied Palestinian Territories.

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Though I am absolutely finished with dealing with the likes of you, I suggest you keep me in mind, because MY ROAD does lead to Rome, and when I get there in short order, your upside down world will be turned Up side Right.
Praise El Elyon the God Most High.... Thank-You Jesus for the Wisdom granted to me by your Grace!