Stephen Hawking says Aliens exist

Originally posted by Karma_Chameleon
Btw- it's not "then Doomsday" its "than Doomsday". See you were to busy correcting me you didn't even realize your own mistakes.

Well, I'm glad that my stupid ass didn't say I was smarter than anybody.



[edit on 25-4-2010 by TravisT]

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


But the thing is, those constants are bades on what WE know to be life. Who's to say that there aren't other unimaginable forms of intelligence? Think outside the box a little bit. Maybe they can be plasma-like and hold no definative shape. The possibilities are endless if you just free yourself from ''human rationality''

So the Governments of Earth are going to be isolating and insulating transmissions from Earth that could possibly contain information that could compromise the Security of Earth.

This is pure Defense 101... The less an opponent knows about you the better...

Any defense specialist would tell you that the best intelligence is a one way street. Shield as much of your knowledge as possible while gaining as much information about your opponent as possible.

[edit on 4/25/2010 by Brainiac]

Originally posted by Noncompatible
Firstly I said at will.
Secondly, define extremely long time.
Thirdly..hollow out an asteroid? Sorry it's just a tad more difficult than you make it sound.

Lastly, once again. If they have been traveling for an "extremely long time".
Well I can think we can safely surmise they can obtain all the resources they need yes ?

Maybe they simple don't like uppity hairless apes ?

My examples were not so much the peculiars of a situation as much as saying an advance race doesn't mean they are omniscience and can come here with dire results.

Hello,
Hawking may be right about aliens. He may also be wrong about trying to avoid any contact. Who is to say contact has not already been made, in a hush hush, underhanded way?

I'm still on the fence, even though certain things that used to really sway me away from belief in ETs, this thread and it's findings kinda prompt me to give you fine people an opportunity to allow your brains to fall-out, or not.

My brains are still intact, I think...

Dare I risk providing stuff I've read that is "really inconceivable" to actually think it can, or will hold any water? Sure, I know I'm a knuckle-head, so I can accept it if my peers consider me one as well...

Look at this crazy stuff; found here...www.lawofone.info...

Questioner: What do the crusaders do?

Ra: I am Ra. The crusaders move in their chariots to conquer planetary mind/body/spirit social complexes before they reach the stage of achieving social memory.

Questioner: Then we have crusaders from Orion coming to this planet for mind control purposes. How do they do this?

Ra: I am Ra. As all, they follow the Law of One observing free will. Contact is made with those who call. Those then upon the planetary sphere act much as do you to disseminate the attitudes and philosophy of their particular understanding of the Law of One which is service to self. These become the elite. Through these, the attempt begins to create a condition whereby the remainder of the planetary entities are enslaved by their free will.

Questioner: How do the crusaders pass on their concepts to the individuals on Earth?

Ra: I am Ra. There are two main ways, just as there are two main ways of, shall we say, polarizing towards service to others. There are those mind/body/spirit complexes upon your plane who do exercises and perform disciplines in order to seek contact with sources of information and power leading to the opening of the gate to intelligent infinity. There are others whose vibratory complex is such that this gateway is opened and contact with total service to self with its primal distortion of manipulation of others is then afforded with little or no difficulty, no training, and no control.

Questioner: What type of information is passed on from the crusaders to these people?

Ra: I am Ra. The Orion group passes on information concerning the Law of One with the orientation of service to self. The information can become technical just as some in the Confederation, in attempts to aid this planet in service to others, have provided what you would call technical information. The technology provided by this group is in the form of various means of control or manipulation of others to serve the self.

Questioner: I don’t know if this is a short question or not, so we can save it till next time, but my question is, why do the crusaders from Orion do this? What is their ultimate objective? This is probably too long to answer.

Ra: I am Ra. This is not too long to answer. To serve the self is to serve all. The service of the self, when seen in this perspective, requires an ever-expanding use of the energies of others for manipulation to the benefit of the self with distortion towards power.

If there are further queries to further explicate this subject we shall be with you again.

Questioner: In the last session you mentioned that the Orion crusaders came here in chariots. Could you describe the chariots?

Ra: I am Ra. The term chariot is a term used in warfare among your peoples. That is its significance. The shape of the Orion craft is one of the following: firstly, the elongated, ovoid shape which is of a darker nature than silver but which has a metallic appearance if seen in the light. In the absence of light, it appears to be red or fiery in some manner.

Other craft include disc-shaped objects of a small nature approximately twelve feet in your measurement in diameter, the box-like shape approximately forty feet to a side in your measurement. Other craft can take on a desired shape through the use of thought control mechanisms. There are various civilization complexes which work within this group. Some are more able to use intelligent infinity than others. The information is very seldom shared; therefore, the chariots vary greatly in shape and appearance.

Questioner: You mentioned that the Orion crusaders, when they get through the net, give both technical and non-technical information. I think I know what you mean by technical information, but what type of non-technical information do they give? And am I right in assuming that this is done by telepathic contact?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Through telepathy the philosophy of the Law of One with the distortion of service to self is promulgated. In advanced groups there are rituals and exercises given and these have been written down just as the service-to-others oriented entities have written down the promulgated philosophy of their teachers. The philosophy concerns the service of manipulating others that they may experience service towards the other self, thus through this experience becoming able to appreciate service to self. These entities would become oriented towards service to self and in turn manipulate yet others so that they in turn might experience the service towards the other self.

Yeah, I don't know what to make of it. When I first found it, I figured it was some good creative fiction, which I still do. The only thing I've since learned in my entire life is not to rely on my own understanding, I have a "brain-bucket" to keep my brain from falling out. I need it for how open minded I truly am.

I'm intrigued by this stuff lately, anybody know why?

Originally posted by thomas_

Originally posted by 11118
reply to post by thomas_

 

The Human governments use technology and tools with precision.

Most of the disc shaped ships you see are unmanned and of Human origin, they are drones.

There is that group of entities who wish to control and enslave, they feed off the negative energy of suffering and control. They think themselves only as the Creator and are lost, cut off from the life force feeding themselves off of control others and controlling of each other - pure negative energy. You need not worry, unless the vast majority of people on earth wish to be enslaved they will not be "landing" any time soon and they are far outnumbered by those who wish to serve.

The Earth is quarantined due to past events in regards to the self-destruction of ancient civilizations. Information was given by benevolent entities then used poorly. Those who wish to cross into the Earth must get permission, the negative entities cannot cross into earth without facing Love - it is like a shield, the complete opposite polarity of their being.

Remember their is no "war", the benevolent entities could crush the negative entities with ease - but they Love them and understand they too are the One Creator.

Nice, but I have to say that their love has a bitter price that they are not the ones paying. If they can intervene and transform this into Eden they should do it right away and quit playing with the farm of ants. It's time already. Lemurians and Atlanteans are long gone by now.

They don't want to judge human kind, I get it. But they are the only ones that could because most of the human kind has lost direction and real propose and we can't certainly judge anything.

Anyway... nothing will happen and everything will remain the same crap we are way too familiar with.

If they were to do so it would be an infringement on the majority of the masses Free Will.

Not only that but there is a quarantine like I said, ancient civilizations were given such advanced information that lead to self-destruction and thus the quarantine was set in place.

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Nice post, I absorbed it like a sponge.

Very nice.

This is what these threads are about. To discuss, add to and learn from.

Not to belittle, argue and or take away.

- Karma

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I can assure you those of Orion are far outnumbered. They also abide by Free Will as to not lower their "polarity" and I do not see the masses calling for enslavement; although, the masses are not calling for the latter either.


To add in regards to this information:

Questioner: Do any of the UFOs presently reported at this time come from other planets, or do you have this knowledge?

Ra: I am Ra. I am one of the members of the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator. There are approximately fifty-three civilizations, comprising approximately five hundred planetary consciousness complexes in this Confederation. This Confederation contains those from your own planet who have attained dimensions beyond your third. It contains planetary entities within your solar system, and it contains planetary entities from other galaxies. It is a true Confederation in that its members are not alike, but allied in service according to the Law of One.

Questioner: You mentioned that there were a number of members of the Confederation of Planets. What avenues of service, or types of service, are available to the members of the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. I am assuming that you intend the service which we of the Confederation can offer, rather than the service which is available to our use.

The service available for our offering to those who call us is equivalent to the square of the distortion/need of that calling divided by, or integrated with, the basic Law of One in its distortion indicating the free will of those who are not aware of the unity of creation.

Questioner: From this, I am assuming that the difficulty that you have in contacting this planet at this time is the mixture of people here, some being aware of the unity, and some not, and for this reason you cannot come openly or give proof of your contact. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. As we just repeated through this instrument, we must integrate all of the portions of your social memory complex in its illusory disintegration form. Then the product of this can be seen as the limit of our ability to serve. We are fortunate that the Law of Service squares the desires of those who call. Otherwise, we would have no beingness in this time/space at this present continuum of the illusion. In short, you are basically correct. The thought of not being able is not a part of our basic thought-form complex towards your peoples, but rather it is a maximal consideration of what is possible.

Questioner: At what point would this calling be great enough for you to come openly among the people on Earth? How many entities on Earth would have to call the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not calculate the possibility of coming among your peoples by the numbers of calling, but by a consensus among an entire societal-memory complex which has become aware of the infinite consciousness of all things. This has been possible among your peoples only in isolated instances.

In the case wherein a social memory complex which is a servant of the Creator sees this situation and has an idea for the appropriate aid which can only be done among your peoples, the social memory complex desiring this project lays it before the Council of Saturn. If it is approved, quarantine is lifted.

Questioner: Thank you very much.

lawofone.info...


[edit on 25-4-2010 by 11118]

Originally posted by Xtrozero

My examples were not so much the peculiars of a situation as much as saying an advance race doesn't mean they are omniscience and can come here with dire results.

I'll simply restate my original point a little better.

Show me the race of beings that has found the methods to negate the insurmountable (to us right now) logistical nightmare that crossing an interstellar gulf would incur. Be it through mastering the ability to travel at supraluminal speeds or hunkering down for the long haul in an enclosed enviroment or wormholes, warp bubbles etc etc etc...

Do that and I will show you a race of beings that would have little problem finding (or creating) and utilizing all the resources they require without having to fit the "Aliens will conquer the earth" stereotypes.

It just blows my mind when a true "brain" as Hawkins comes out and makes a suggestion ATS just lights up with people who might or might not have a clue at to what this man has just said. Hawkins just might have given everyone who wishes for ET to show up a hint to what is going on. This man is one of the greatest minds alive today. He has the leaders of the world come to him for answers to problems. He just made it very clear to the people who have approached him from military and science stand point to stop what we are doing. Read into what this man is saying. He is telling a few folks on this planet that the door your knocking on might not be the neighbor you hoped would answer.

Originally posted by Karma_Chameleon
No. Go back and read everything, not just what you want your eyes to see. DoomsdayRex made the initial snide comment in saying that I was sick. He also was implying that he was smarter than me.

Btw- it's not "then Doomsday" its "than Doomsday". See you were to busy correcting me you didn't even realize your own mistakes.

Take off your blinders my friend and then maybe you will see things as they truly are.

I meant no harm with what I typed. My appologies to anyone that took it that way.

- Karma

apologies.
don't grammar nazi people and not expect them to return the favor

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
He is right somewhat, you shouldn't expect everybody to be benign and nice. Lots of people say look at us humans were not so nice with eachother, I would have to say what makes you think aliens are as nice as humans there could be things out there that say hy by pouring fire on you it could be how they say hy on there planet. The very word alien means unknown, we as a species cant even understand eachother and you want to understand aliens. Ya good luck with that. Also if a species developed and evolved on a gas planet and went into space planets like earth it would consider devoid of resources not enough gasses. There could be entire races that pass over this planet because they see nothing intresting. We could be the mold/fungus growing on the side of the interstellar roadway. The same way you drive by whole colonys of ants and other critters on the way to work. Its not so much evil you need to wory abouth as indefference if they are so much more advanced then humans who knows what it consider's as life.

Us mold/Fungus... No, even without knowledge of any "real" extraterrestrial species we're far from Mold and Fungus...

Just as a Monkey is far less advanced than us humans, still a monkey is far more advanced over a fungus... Heck a spider is far more advanced over a fungus...

Originally posted by tsloan
It just blows my mind when a true "brain" as Hawkins comes out and makes a suggestion ATS just lights up with people who might or might not have a clue at to what this man has just said. Hawkins just might have given everyone who wishes for ET to show up a hint to what is going on. This man is one of the greatest minds alive today. He has the leaders of the world come to him for answers to problems. He just made it very clear to the people who have approached him from military and science stand point to stop what we are doing. Read into what this man is saying. He is telling a few folks on this planet that the door your knocking on might not be the neighbor you hoped would answer.

Hello,
I agree with your post, but allow me to put a spin/twist on it?
This Hawking fellow may be aware of any "government infil-traitors." He is saying backwards that the ETs these gov/officials have been in collusion with are the bad guys.

In such a role, think about this, a false-flag attempt to "fend-off" alien invaders. Who's side is Hawking on? And, are you sure? Who is to say these "invaders" are malignant? But the one's who came first, and traded technology for body-parts?

All kinds of stories are out there for us to be completely perplexed about. If a supposed alien force comes to invade us, I'll put my substance on that the invaders are not invading, but to redeem us. To make things right in the universe. I went off the deep-end, sorry.

ETA...Forgot to mention that Hawking has to be served in order to do any service. He may very well be on the good-guys side.

[edit on (4/25/1010 by loveguy]

Originally posted by Brainiac
So the Governments of Earth are going to be isolating and insulating transmissions from Earth that could possibly contain information that could compromise the Security of Earth.

This is pure Defense 101... The less an opponent knows about you the better...

Any defense specialist would tell you that the best intelligence is a one way street. Shield as much of your knowledge as possible while gaining as much information about your opponent as possible.

[edit on 4/25/2010 by Brainiac]

Hello,
I'm guessing this was learned because hind-sight is 20/20? I'm thinking Hawking might be the guy that forces the "disclosure" issue...

Originally posted by JScytale

Originally posted by Karma_Chameleon
No. Go back and read everything, not just what you want your eyes to see. DoomsdayRex made the initial snide comment in saying that I was sick. He also was implying that he was smarter than me.

Btw- it's not "then Doomsday" its "than Doomsday". See you were to busy correcting me you didn't even realize your own mistakes.

Take off your blinders my friend and then maybe you will see things as they truly are.

I meant no harm with what I typed. My appologies to anyone that took it that way.

- Karma

apologies.
don't grammar nazi people and not expect them to return the favor

Now I'm a nazi?
(In a whispering voice) Careful, there may be kiddies present on this thread that may take what you say the wrong way. I wouldn't want to see our behavior rubbing off onto the children. Just passing on information that another poster made me aware of.

Think of the children JScytale.

I believe the children are our future,
teach them well and let them lead the way,

Ah well, you know the rest of the song by now I'm sure.

- Karma

Originally posted by Noncompatible

Originally posted by Xtrozero

My examples were not so much the peculiars of a situation as much as saying an advance race doesn't mean they are omniscience and can come here with dire results.

I'll simply restate my original point a little better.

Show me the race of beings that has found the methods to negate the insurmountable (to us right now) logistical nightmare that crossing an interstellar gulf would incur. Be it through mastering the ability to travel at supraluminal speeds or hunkering down for the long haul in an enclosed enviroment or wormholes, warp bubbles etc etc etc...

Do that and I will show you a race of beings that would have little problem finding (or creating) and utilizing all the resources they require without having to fit the "Aliens will conquer the earth" stereotypes.

Stereotype is a human characteristic.
You could imagine what you wanted, mean, evil, natural, cruel, sadistic...



What do you want? You would want an Alien race to fit into a category that you can easily identify with? Hence Hawkins intial outlook...

Originally posted by JScytale

Wrong.
The fossil record is extremely detailed and well recorded. That and the very concept of a "missing link" is rather misguided - there were no "this animal morphed into this animal" jumps at all. Every single "step" was no more drastic than the difference between you and your father. Over the course of hundreds of thousands of generations, major changes are apparent between generation 1 and generation n, but there were zero leaps. You should also bear in mind pretty much every single animal on the planet has vestigial traces of its ancestry, such as the human tailbone or the fact whales have fingers. Also, mutation IS completely random, and is almost always harmful, sometimes neutral, and occasionally beneficial. You don't seem to be able to grasp what 3 billion years of trillions of individual life forms reproducing at any given moment really entails.

Yes they are detailed, but then why we don't have the remains for each single one of those stages?

All the stages that we have simply jump from one to another, some with small changes while other with huge changes that simply couldn't be according to the very same theory. The in-betweens most often are created in the minds of those that so passionately defend this theory in it's source.

And even though extremely detailed and well recorded the oder in which those fossil records show up sometimes are also on the unexpected order in places where there isn't a single sign of soil disturbance. Thus breaking the logical (expected) order in which these fossils should appear, the supposedly old on the top and the ones that should be new bellow.

Of course this could be explained by some other different theory, but so is the evolutionary theory.

But I agree, three billion years of sex and yet not answer, just lots of imagination added to a broken puzzle by everyone.

This is supposed to be an argument against evolution how? a skull fragment is more than enough to notice things such as sharing characteristics with two known human ancestors and placing it either in one of those groups or between them. All scientific theory is based upon the fragment itself and not the reconstruction - reconstruction is merely an estimation used as a visual aid.

You said a really important word "ESTIMATION", but a estimation isn't a fact, it is merely a best guess. Something that isn't or at least shouldn't be enough to sustain such a pivotal theory regarding the human origins. Add that to the own desires of the ones "recreating that full body from a original knee joint to some involuntary inference to make the theory hold truth and you get your self a H. Cepranensis or some other distant cousin of ours.

But I really would like to be enlightened on how they get SINGLE skull cap (a mere fossil piece) and use that to tie two different evolutionary stages that by them selves are also represented by one or few fossils that most often are only partial. I find this really interesting.

If it's by comparing those ~3% of "useful" DNA that I find it a bit of fallacy. And I'll probably keep thinking that until they find the propose and match those remaining ~97%.

What divergences and inconsistencies? If you're referring to fossils being found in strata that is counterintuitive, this pretty much exclusively happens in locations where it makes sense, such as peat bogs. You should also bear in mind that carbon dating is exceptionally reliable when you cannot count on strata alone to place an age on any organic material.

Both, old where the new should be and vice versa. And carbon testing is far from THAT reliable. The variations are way too big and get even worst when you throw a really large time frame in the talk. Besides any drastic environmental change could impact the data you would get from it. So basically pretty much anything ancient being carbon dated could be off by a unacceptable margin or entirely wrong.

No, it doesn't. At ALL. It is the logical conclusion of observing natural selection and expanding it to the scale of all life on earth, from the beginning until now.

I can be wrong (as usual) but isn't natural selection that says that interbreeding of species can only yield a variation withing the same basic kind and not something like humans for instance?

First, evolution specifically refers to the process of adaptation through selection. It does not attempt to explain the origin of life because how life originated does not influence it in any way, shape or form. You have beef with abiogenesis. Feel free to educate yourself:

en.wikipedia.org...

I kinda disagree, they are all pretty darn connected. Doesn't even matter if you apply abiogenesis or biogenesis. But that's a long really long theoretical story

Separate species cannot interbreed in virtually all cases. In fact that is the primary marker for defining speciation - two populations become classified as separate species once reproduction between them is impossible.

But isn't the newest "version" of the evolutionary theory that argues that all those primates evolved in tandem and interbreeding giving birth to these sudden mutations called humans?

At least last time I've checked that was what they were talking about as a means to explain their findings in Kenya.

They recently found non-bacterial life which does not require oxygen to live and reproduce.

www.newscientist.com...

Originally posted by 11118

Originally posted by thomas_

Originally posted by 11118
reply to post by thomas_

 

The Human governments use technology and tools with precision.

Most of the disc shaped ships you see are unmanned and of Human origin, they are drones.

There is that group of entities who wish to control and enslave, they feed off the negative energy of suffering and control. They think themselves only as the Creator and are lost, cut off from the life force feeding themselves off of control others and controlling of each other - pure negative energy. You need not worry, unless the vast majority of people on earth wish to be enslaved they will not be "landing" any time soon and they are far outnumbered by those who wish to serve.

The Earth is quarantined due to past events in regards to the self-destruction of ancient civilizations. Information was given by benevolent entities then used poorly. Those who wish to cross into the Earth must get permission, the negative entities cannot cross into earth without facing Love - it is like a shield, the complete opposite polarity of their being.

Remember their is no "war", the benevolent entities could crush the negative entities with ease - but they Love them and understand they too are the One Creator.

Nice, but I have to say that their love has a bitter price that they are not the ones paying. If they can intervene and transform this into Eden they should do it right away and quit playing with the farm of ants. It's time already. Lemurians and Atlanteans are long gone by now.

They don't want to judge human kind, I get it. But they are the only ones that could because most of the human kind has lost direction and real propose and we can't certainly judge anything.

Anyway... nothing will happen and everything will remain the same crap we are way too familiar with.

If they were to do so it would be an infringement on the majority of the masses Free Will.

Not only that but there is a quarantine like I said, ancient civilizations were given such advanced information that lead to self-destruction and thus the quarantine was set in place.

I see, but it does sound like a dictatorship. Nobody is allowed to leave, nobody is allowed to come in and we are kept in the dark paying for mistakes that we didn't even did in the first place. A bit harsh don't you think? This makes Earth a real literal purgatory.

But I'm just kinda messing with you

Humankind simply isn't prepared to cope with the idea that we are the babies in this universe. People would commit suicide in mass if they knew that they are not that smart, not that advanced and not the only form of pseudo or intelligent life in the universe. Some people desperately need that false assurance to keep walking around.

Stephen Hawkin made the statement some time ago. I like his Nomadic idea, when you consider the short scale of time here on Earth, how the many Nomadic tribes have gone territorial, and gone to war to protect that territory, then have political stance. I think basically he is saying, don't be so sure that we are high on the pecking scale, but if we are, we are not the best examples of a life form, and not neccesarily the worst, but just that we are what we are, at this moment. Outside of our tiny microcosym we have no idea.

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