POLISH PLANE CRASH - Survivors Murdered! NEW Evidence!

Very strange, but a good watch all the same. Thanks for posting.

Brave.

Originally posted by Raud
reply to post by Itsonlyme666

 

I think she got fired because she sucks at her job, judging from the vid in the OP (and she seems a little crazy).
I could however support anyone who rises against big pharma. I think maybe she should stick to that. If she would have done so, I maybe would still have some respect for her.

No she didn't get fired because of that... just watch that vid and it'll become clear why.
Her "looks" is not important is it ?! Ok it looks like a Botox job but who cares ?
No preconceptions please.
What she says and does, that is important. (and on her website she shows you the evidence to back up her claimes)
And her website hasn't been down anytime in years as far as I know... so I wonder why now suddenly her site is being attacked (and by whom)...

Also the man who shot the video of the gunshots after the plane crash that was seen on youtube by everyone was stabbed to death.

Link

[edit on 24-4-2010 by zloty]

Originally posted by zloty
Also the man who shot the video of the gunshots after the plane crash that was seen on youtube by everyone was stabbed to death.

Link

[edit on 24-4-2010 by zloty]

Great source there mate. :shk:
"Kavkaz Center" is where muslim fundamentalists in Caucasus post their vids and whatnot.

You are not being very original. If you look around for just a brief moment, you'll see that the make believe story of his assassination is mentioned all the time.
It even has its own thread: crazy disinfo thread.

You're welcome.

[edit on 24-4-2010 by Raud]

reply to post by Raud


I apologize for posting that source, I know its unreliable but I couldn't find the original which was in polish. I just wanted to add it hoping someone would provide it. There was a topic on it on ats somewhere as well.

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Speaking Russian over the radio?
Isn't all air traffic control worldwide in english???
I might be wrong, but...nah, I don't think so.
Air traffic control is always in english. The option is hard to imagine. Planes would crash all the time otherwise.
Stupidity.

No, it isn't.

Actually, countries like France make some resistance over speaking only in English. And accidents have happened because of that.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
"wow, another piece of the NWO puzzle
comes to fruition...

...This is nothing but a
NWO regime change of Poland."

Doctor, I concur, just prior to the crash, V.Putin and D.Tusk (Prime Minister of their "respective countries") have been publicized as being close, and sharing the first (and in effect due to the crash, only) shared commemoration of the Katyn Forrest massacre. I have to agree that can't be simply a coincidence.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Also on the note of possible reasons for "regime change" may be the fact that President Kaczyński lobbied strongly on behalf of US anti-missile sights located in it's borders. Obama has subjected, and decided to just keep some anti-missle boats in the black sea (good luck). Romania has done something similar, now we just have to wait and see what happens next.

Polish missile deal backlash:
www.cbc.ca...
www.missilethreat.com...

Thoughts?
Romanian missile shield:
news.bbc.co.uk...

Intriguing aspects of the video, but there are some crazy leaps in logic. This woman is clearly no journalist. Besides the fact that her theories for motive are totally unsubstantiated, the fact that Merkle is somehow complicit because she didn't drive in for the funeral is absurd. World leaders generally send advance teams in weeks in advance. They do not tend to travel on a whim and take huge precautions to ensure security. You don't just "drive in." Air travel is by far the safest means (ironically.)

There are plenty of claims without substantiation that are interesting... What's going on in that video? Was the guy who shot it killed? Were the radar and lamps at the airport truly tampered with? Those WOULD be the kinds of facts that would need rock-solid substantiation before I'd subscribe. She should focus less on the broad strokes and distant dots and more on verifying the few points that would truly be damning if proved...

This came off a bit zany.



[edit on 24-4-2010 by pantangele]

reply to post by Tifozi

Although the native language for a region is normally used, the English language must be used on request, as required by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).

Wiki

Originally posted by Itsonlyme666

Originally posted by Raud
reply to post by Itsonlyme666

 

I think she got fired because she sucks at her job, judging from the vid in the OP (and she seems a little crazy).
I could however support anyone who rises against big pharma. I think maybe she should stick to that. If she would have done so, I maybe would still have some respect for her.

No she didn't get fired because of that... just watch that vid and it'll become clear why.
Her "looks" is not important is it ?! Ok it looks like a Botox job but who cares ?
No preconceptions please.
What she says and does, that is important. (and on her website she shows you the evidence to back up her claimes)
And her website hasn't been down anytime in years as far as I know... so I wonder why now suddenly her site is being attacked (and by whom)...

I think you will find Jane played a major role in exposing the distribution of H5N1 (Avian Flu)-infected samples. See below and a couple of interviews on camelot

Jane Bürgermeister is an Austrian-Irish journalist, based in Vienna, who was propelled into the public spotlight last year (2009) when, outraged at the distribution of H5N1 (Avian Flu)-infected samples distributed to European laboratories by Baxter Pharmaceuticals, she started to publicize the issue and attempted to press charges against several authorities. Since then she has become a hero to many for her role in championing the rights of citizens against the threat of compulsory mass vaccination.

projectcamelot.org...

to Itsonlyme666

I am supprised at the riddicule that has been pointed her way when she has done more than any here to combat TPTB and the flu vaccine.

reply to post by Raud


The problem isn't that you are answered back in english. Is what other people are saying.

If a plane is going for a landing before your plane, and says "control, the fog is reaching criticial levels", but says in french (because.....he is in France), and you're not french, you are not getting that information.

It is as important to be answered back in english, as it is for others to speak in english in order for you to understand what is going on around you.

And just because they are obligated to speak in english, doesn't mean that it is any good.

[edit on 24/4/10 by Tifozi]

So Looking_Glass what is it that you propose we do about it all? If in fact if you are prepared to take action, what lengths are you willing to go

Great video that plainly states this wasnt some accident. Take the time to watch the entire video and you'll see this plane crash just doesnt add up. s+f

Poland is such a powerful country that their attempts to fight the NWO needed to be stopped. You don't really think that the NWO really cares about the Zloty and the fact that Poland refused the swine flue vaccine, now do you? Baseless conspiracy in my opinion.

Besides, Poland is not the only country to be not in a state of recession. I've conducted my thesis research on the Central European real estate markets in Prague last year, and both the Czech Republic and Slovakia had a growing GDP while Hungary was the exception of Central European economies.

Regarding the so-called shots that have been heard - that could very well have been exploding ammunition as it can be safely assumed that these elites went without their body guards. So claiming that it is gun shots is pretty baseless.

This video is one big piece of BS. The Russians placed the lamps in such a way that they would mislead the plane from the runway. Yeah sure.... this is beyond ridiculous.

I've just re-watched this video and I'm truly shocked how people could have flagged this so many times. I don't know what the purpose of this video is, but it is clearly extremely biased. What many people don't seem to know, there are many Polish who hate everything about Russia and try to do everything to disparage Russia. If you want to know why, you should look into their history, it dates further back than the Cold War.





[edit on 24-4-2010 by Mdv2]

reply to post by Tifozi


You're a pilot (like it sorta says on your avatar)?

Well, if that is the case, we have yet another reason to believe this was an accident and nothing else.

Originally posted by colin42

to Itsonlyme666

I am supprised at the riddicule that has been pointed her way when she has done more than any here to combat TPTB and the flu vaccine.

Exactly my point..
Some guys started about her physical appearance/bodylanguage and using it as an argument that she therefore would be a credit unworthy reporter.
I belief the exterior of a person says NOTHING about a person.
Jane B. has done a great deal of research and has taken a lot of action all on her own !!
Other people should do the same instead of standing on the sideline and putting people down without properly investigating the issue/person.
Have they no shame ?
Looks like debunking and discrediting is their hobby.

Edit to remove NAMES

[edit on 24-4-2010 by Itsonlyme666]

Originally posted by DrMattMaddix

04/13/10
(who attends the polish president's funeral) That will be a true barometer.

As presented in the video, Obama, French and German presidents didn't attend... So, essentially the most important 'friends' were all no shows.

Medvedev attended the funeral, so what does that mean?


When the journalist in the video says that Angela Merkel only had to "drive some 400 km" she is only showing that she didn't do her homework, Angela Merkel was coming from the US and had to land in Lisbon, going to Italy on the next day and had to go by road from North Italy to Germany, so at the time of the funeral she was somewhere between Italy and Germany.

Also, I don't think that the idea of moving the lamps would explain how they could have fooled the pilots, I suppose there are better ways of landing an aeroplane when there's not enough visibility (but I am sure someone, maybe Tifozi, will correct me if I'm wrong).

Not seeing the bodies is normal, I have never seen aeroplane crash site images in which I could see the bodies, and even when Sá Carneiro, the Portuguese prime minister at the time, died in an aeroplane crash in Lisbon in 1980, even in the live images that the TV was showing I was not able to recognise anything that looked like bodies, even when the cameraman was pointing the camera to where the bodies were.

As usual in any crime, we should ask "who has something to gain with it?" and not point to those people that we do not like and say they must the guilty just because of that.

I would also like to point that the "courageous Polish health minister" wasn't on the aeroplane, so why link the swine flu vaccine with this incident? Also, as far as I understand it (and this is something many people from the US forget), the Polish president does not have the governing power like the US president has, the government is the one who makes most of the political decisions, like not using the vaccine.

Another interesting thing is that nobody mentions the person that missed the flight, Zofia Kruszyńska-Gust, a presidential aid, because of illness. Why not suspect her?

So no one else has noticed an arm hanging in the tree above and left of one of the rear landing gear wheel sets??

[edit on 24-4-2010 by Silverado292]

Originally posted by ArMaP

I would also like to point that the "courageous Polish health minister" wasn't on the aeroplane, so why link the swine flu vaccine with this incident? Also, as far as I understand it (and this is something many people from the US forget), the Polish president does not have the governing power like the US president has, the government is the one who makes most of the political decisions, like not using the vaccine.

But we ARE talking about those people in the (former) Polish government.
She is a member of that government. She is a minister.
And because of her rejection of the vaccine the Polish people didn't get that st..uff (wanted to write something else but.. )
So why should J.B. not link it to what happened ?
I see it as "Polish government" vs "TPTB/EU", and clearly as seen in her statements in her video, so does J.B.

[edit on 24-4-2010 by Itsonlyme666]

Hello.

I am from Poland,
just one msg for you(AGAIN):
Could you, US kids, take your hands off this, please?
This vid is rubbish, and it is just bs.
Your speculations are rubbish.
You are generating absurd here having pieces of ALREADY useless/not true info.

I don't like what you are doing here.
How can someone speculate about something that he do not KNOW NOTHING about?

But we ARE talking about those people in the (former) Polish government.

Who are you to talk about MY gvmt, lol!
What do you know ABOUT it, what do you know about my country?
dude, please.

I know that my country will become UE/US bitch, new gvmt will force nation to get euro ASAP, and yeah, we will buy another F-16 ruins from US, you want to talk about Russia?
Stop focking making threat, Russia is not a threat - it is Slavic country, like ours.
These countries should not be enemies, our interests are different, but dude, they are people like us, not like US.
Understood?
So - stop babbling here.

[edit on 24-4-2010 by potential_problem]