Feds invade farm for 5 a.m. inspection

i prefer real milk as opposed to the waterdowned homo stuff you get in the store with all the tasteyness gone.

Alfalfa, oats and good hay with lots of sunshine and love toward ole bossy makes for great milk.

But keep her out of the stinkweed.


yuch!

Yeah, as I suspected. Now who on ATS might actually have an idea about dairy's and the horror stories surrounding them. Not everyone is sympathetic.

Cry all you want to, about this indignation, if you ever truelly were on a dairy farm, you might not drink milk, either.

The process is horrid...........the cows are kept pregnant their whole lives, so you can drink milk. They come into a situation where they "quicken," and instead of getting a bull, they get an arm.

They are perpetually kept pregnant, for your pleasure, and never get to nurse a calf.

Barbaric, and disgusting, in my opinion. Like I said, it reminds me of a puppy mill.

reply to post by endisnighe


I completely agree with you. I honestly think it's a sad story.
Maybe a big wake up call for the Amish. They are not excluded from the world powers anymore.
I think the powers of the Gov. are spreading all over and no-one is safe anymore. They want to control our food...our drugs, our children...and the list goes on.


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A family milk cow is treated with great respect. lol

And the farmers I know treat their livestock very well.

But yes some large operations, which are built to feed everybody sometimes scares the crap out of people.

The bottom line is people demand cheap food and so the family farm has been forced to evolve into the family corporation.

You cannot blame the farmer...he barely gets by and carries millions in debt load.

The debt load is the scary thing because if we have a collapse who will take over those big operations?

And yes I agree that pasteurization of milk to the GP is a wise practice but raw milk still needs its rightful place,

reply to post by Blanca Rose


Are you insinuating I do not know about dairy farms?

What is your problem, do you want to find someone that is sympathetic to your typical asinine arguments about the poor animals?

Hell, one farm in Minnesota where I built a concrete stave silo and a pole shed, the farmer had sprinklers set up in the different buildings so when the summer heat got too much, the cows could go in and cool down. Unless dairy cattle are kept well fed, happy and healthy, they do not produce.

Sorry for your supposed viewpoint that they are mistreated. But any true dairy farmer treats their animals well.

This will be my last off topic post to you. Good day.

reply to post by endisnighe


I am not insunuating anything. Dairy cows are on dairy farms for one reason, and that is to supply milk for people who drink milk from dairy cows.

How is that natural?

People are weened from the tit of their human mothers by a certain age. Acceptable? Yes.

Why do you, think it is ok for cows to replace that?

Nobody needs it.

Eat some freaking broccoli for instance.

But, I am sure you haven't sought out any other ideas for your calcium supplement.

Quite whining over something, and animals that are not a natural part of your existance.

Honestly, I don't think this thread is about who should or shouldn't drink milk...or how people treat cows. Those are important issues, however... the importance of this thread is about the Fed's enfringing on people's rights.
Unfortuantly the Amish are in the middle of it.

reply to post by blue_fish


Ok, I agree with this. However, if he is selling raw, unpasturized milk to the general public, this is an issue.

Some people love it, so they should have their own cow. It is not safe, for the general public, hence if he was selling it that way, there is a problem.

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My mom grew up on a farm and drank raw milk all the time. When my parents both worked, we had Amish babysitters that brought raw milk frequently to give to us.
No Problems!
Wertdagf is a N.W.O. Soros parasite shill. All he is paid to do is spew his ant-Christian, Ant-American rant. He won’t respond with a reasonable reply.

well, dog gone..there he is above, and what did I say?

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Originally posted by Wertdagf


ants feed and protect aphids who produce food for the ants.

only idiots play the nature card when debating about life styles.

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Only people who can't understand the abuse of animals, would find this an outrage.

So, it's okay to have a lifestyle that abuses animals?

Thanks for letting me know where you come from, and for calling me an idtiot....you twit!

reply to post by Blanca Rose


Do you think they would prefer we let them live or chase them down and rip their throats out? Do you think other predatory animals even TRY to treat their food sources with respect?

Humanity is coming out of its infancy... and soon milk and everything else will be created syntheticaly... then all you crybabies can shut your trap by chewing on a lab grow slab of meat.

reply to post by Wertdagf

First of all, if you even took the time to read my replies, I don't drink milk..I don't think humans drinking milk from a cow is in any way natural. I am a naturalist, in that I believe cows should become pregnant, naturally.

Get a grip on yourself, and actually read a thread before you reply.

Thanks

reply to post by blue_fish


Yes, there are a lot of Amish in my area. When I get trim work for my side jobs I go to them for their oak material trim.

I find it frelling ridiculous that we as consumers cannot make a choice. I think a nice lawsuit could be in order. We need to find some lawyers that actually have consciences and go after these morons.

reply to post by whiteraven


Oh yes, there are the mega corps involved in dairy farms also. At least they have not taken over Wisconsin. I have several friends and relatives still in the business.

As I said earlier in the thread, I would not drink raw milk from a large corporate farm.

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Yeah, I am having a hard time now finding old time seeds for things like tomatoes. God I miss the ones from when I was younger. The tomatoes we get now are GMO with skins so thick you can hardly bite through them without the whole thing exploding.

I think my brother in law still has some. I think I need to see if he has enough for next year. I am only planting a couple varieties of veggies this year. Hopefully my landlord does not mind I tilled up a big patch in the backyard.

Bicker all you want about raw milk . The issue is Feds are over stepping their bounds again on the guise of our own safety .

Never mind the Amish don't use bovine growth hormones on their cows to give more tainted milk or other hormone to make them grow faster nor do they preventatively pump them full of antibiotics they feed and let the cows graze naturally they dont use artificial insemination to breed the herd .The milk is raw free from rbgh and all the other antibiotics.

Pure and natural good GOD heaven forbid we let Americans touch that stuff.
How horrid of these Amish people to raise and milk cows naturally and cut out the Monsanto and pharmaceutical industry out of the PROFIT LOOP. Thats the FEDs job protect the health of the corporate entities .

We have to stop them before the masses go for unadulterated food which is actually good for you for a change . Stop them before the masses actually start to think for them selves and look what the food industry puts in our food to make it safe for profit err safe for us to eat .

Pffft

most people around here were raised with RAW from milk cows or goats I never heard of any one getting sick from it. And going back several generations no one in the family either .

I would drink raw milk from the Amish any day before I would drink any with rbgh in it .

This isn't the first time the Feds raided a family farm for conducting "illegal" milk sales. What a crock of ****.

I grew up drinking real milk, fresh, un-pasteurized, un-homogenized, and humans have been drinking milk this way since man first domesticated goats and cattle.

I don't know WHAT they pass off as "milk" in the supermarkets is supposed to be, anyone who ever grew up on real milk would never consume that concoction of chemical preservatives, watered-down, growth-hormone and vitamin-supplemented CRAP. It's undergone to many chemical processes and alterations for me to still call it milk. Mega-factory farms (i.e. Monsanto) have all but relegated the local family farm to the history books, even still you get a ridiculous draconian government raid on a local farmer while the factory farms get away with murder.

reply to post by Lostinthedarkness


If you are so into milk, why aren't you a proponent for milking from your mother, or other human female milk?

Why is it ok, over and above the most natural milk for you to be drinking, to subject this to cows?

Disgusting. It isn't even natural for you, or your digestive system.

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Most milk drinkers are a product of their cultural upbringing . The simple fact is humans has been drinking milk from cows goats horses lamas and maybe more animals as well from a point thousands of years ago. You are trying to break habit that reaches far in the dawn human history . Some cultures would rather use milk and cheese than butcher an animal . I would say that comes out well for the animal a little milk instead of a steak.

As from a person raised on a farm. The act of milking a animal is a direct correlation to the animal being milked trying to mimic technique the eating habits of the young off springs of the species. Many small farms will have the young off spring with the milkers . Some animal get use to the milking to where the left side is for the human and right for the off spring . The small farms or organic dairies are a far cry from the typical corporate dairies. Really most milk animals do not mind it at all . If the animals was taken proper care of in the beginning .

May be if it was a cultural trait to do as you suggested we most likely still have the government sticking their nose in that as well .

I don't drink the lactation juice of another species so I have no dog in this fight. I don't care about raw or pasteurized products.

I do see a couple of things within the news article that piques my interest.

Who is losing money with this dairy farmer belonging associated with the National Independent Consumers and Farmers Association? Any corporate farms in the area he is competing with. I find it high unusual the FDA singled him out a couple of months ago without a complaint from someone.

The reason for any Federal officials be it FDA or the US Marshals is that this is an interstate commerce case. If this was a true health issue, you would have had State and County health people there. A more likely explanation will be a tax issue with the FDA just being the legal reason to start.

This is more than a guy selling some quarts of Amish milk in a neighboring state.

I work on three different dairy farms in my area (milk Hand),and being in a local dairy community i see a lot of other dairy's and how they are run,plenty of beef around too.
Its nothing to take home milk straight from the vat,it does get filtered you know! Its a clean product providing hygiene practices are adhered too.
The cleaner the milk,the more $$$ they get, so hygiene is in their own best interest. Milk from the vat is the true product,what you get at the shop 14 days later is watered down garbage.
Farming practices vary from farm to farm,some are fairly rough with the big push for the $$ but they still keep cows well looked after, some are quite good,they really take good care of their animals.
Not all farmers are harsh,like everything else ya get ya good and ya bad.
One farm i work on is certified organic,we only milk once a day (mornings) i would call them spoiled lol they really take care of em.