South Park Bullcrap Mohammad Censorship

Originally posted by skunknuts

Originally posted by eNumbra
For all the outrage and bluster in this thread, did anyone stop to think that maybe... they bleeped the word and any mention of the character to make a point about censorship?

Yeah, several different permutations of that possibility have been proposed.

I'm not sure 'outrage' and 'bluster' adequately capture the tenor of this thread up to this point. I, for one, expressed annoyance. Outrage is more of the 'threatening lives' type of expression, no?

Best,
Skunknuts

You titled the thread as "bullcrap mohammad censorship", and devoted a very small post-script to idea of intention in the OP.

So this thread, in summary is you complaining about hearing a bunch of bleeps with the reasoning of which occurring as an after thought after a few paragraph of venting.



I just called it as I saw it.

[edit on 4/21/2010 by eNumbra]

Originally posted by Aceofclubs
i`ll bet it because comady central don`t want the agro here in uk thay took out the bit were hammed headed a turkey(i think, could have been something else)and put a notice up saying thay was not going to show it for whatever reason. south park don`t seem to care what anyone thinks i doubt thay did it.

what..ah what are you trying to say?
I can't make out what you are babbling about?

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel

One is of many who believe that they can kill the creators of South Park for the making fun of Muhammad.

''Many'' ?
I have only seen one rather unsavoury character that was linked to on this site that was intimating or calling for any killing.

I was viewing a couple of other threads on this subject, and many people confirmed that there was no problem regarding the episode in the early 2000s where many religious figures were featured, so I'm a bit suspicious of the prominence that is given to this Revolutionmuslim webmaster that has voiced his views.

This is quite a good example of how much power the MSM media holds.
We have this site calling for death and whatnot to the South Park writers, which would have been seen by probably only a few hundred already bigoted people. Nobody would have ever known.
And now, because the MSM has decided to cover the story, we've got the supposed 'blasphemy' and inciteful views of the webmaster being widely reported to a potential audience of hundreds of millions of people worldwide.

Divide and Conquer.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Chicks fan !

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel

One is of many who believe that they can kill the creators of South Park for the making fun of Muhammad.

''Many'' ?
I have only seen one rather unsavoury character that was linked to on this site that was intimating or calling for any killing.

I was viewing a couple of other threads on this subject, and many people confirmed that there was no problem regarding the episode in the early 2000s where many religious figures were featured, so I'm a bit suspicious of the prominence that is given to this Revolutionmuslim webmaster that has voiced his views.

This is quite a good example of how much power the MSM media holds.
We have this site calling for death and whatnot to the South Park writers, which would have been seen by probably only a few hundred already bigoted people. Nobody would have ever known.
And now, because the MSM has decided to cover the story, we've got the supposed 'blasphemy' and inciteful views of the webmaster being widely reported to a potential audience of hundreds of millions of people worldwide.

Divide and Conquer.

Yeah, I totally agree. Plays right into the neocon agenda.

Best,
Skunknuts

reply to post by BeastMaster2012


Yes, I didn't actually see the episode, but I thought the bleeping may have been for effect.
I have seen quite a few South Park episodes before, and although a lot of the subject matter is not the sort of thing I'd normally find comedy in, I can see the bigger picture.

I just can't help but feel that this site that issued these not-so-veiled threats was a site that nobody would've noticed normally, but for media exposure.
I mean, there are all sorts of threats and quasi-incitement posted on the internet, why report this particular one ?

Well, I just went to Comedy Channel to watch the repeat of the program from earlier, and tonight's episode has been replaced with a repeat of the episode concerning the kids having to read Catcher in the Rye.

I guess those of us that missed it might be able to buy a bootleg DVD of tonights episode from the local dealer on the street corner, providing there are no censors around.

reply to post by kyred


SOUTHPARKSTUDIOS.com

every episode is there free of charge, but you may have to wait a few days-weeks because of obligations of the company etc.

The bleeps are the whole point of the episode. There's nothing wrong with saying Mohammad's name - there are zillions of Muslims walking around with his name. It's not like intoning the name of God in Judaism (which is a no-no, but nobody will kill you for it).

If you censor stuff -- bleep it, cover it up, don't let people know it for what it is -- then you are just hiding knowledge and the true meaning of things. At the end, no less than three characters opine about the great meaning of the episode, but all of it gets bleeped out, rendering the entire message and point of the story moot...of course, the fact that they bleep out the moral of the story is the real meaning and moral of the story. Censorship can only detract from art or discourse, it can never improve it more make it better. That, I think, is what they are saying.

I have yet to see the episode, but based on what I hear I would guess the bleeping is meant to be obnoxious. Knowing the humor style of South Park, Matt and Trey are probably trying to emphasize the rediculousness of the PC movement. Either that or they DON'T want it bleeped, and Comedy Central is doing it anyway. Those guys aren't the type to shy away from offending people out of fear

That's why I love South Park so much...it's a humor that keeps you second guessing what they are really trying to say. And they are spot on about people's attitudes and mannerisms...hilarious show

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by skunknuts

Originally posted by eNumbra
For all the outrage and bluster in this thread, did anyone stop to think that maybe... they bleeped the word and any mention of the character to make a point about censorship?

Yeah, several different permutations of that possibility have been proposed.

I'm not sure 'outrage' and 'bluster' adequately capture the tenor of this thread up to this point. I, for one, expressed annoyance. Outrage is more of the 'threatening lives' type of expression, no?

Best,
Skunknuts

You titled the thread as "bullcrap mohammad censorship", and devoted a very small post-script to idea of intention in the OP.

So this thread, in summary is you complaining about hearing a bunch of bleeps with the reasoning of which occurring as an after thought after a few paragraph of venting.



I just called it as I saw it.

[edit on 4/21/2010 by eNumbra]

So it looks like I was right to complain (considering I don't like censorship of this type). Still not sure if the end being totally bleeped was intentional or not (in response to being forced to bleep throughout the episode).

If you actually try to watch the episode on Southparkstudios.com you can't even watch it atm, it gives a message saying...

"WE APOLOGIZE THAT SOUTH PARK STUDIOS CANNOT STREAM EPISODE 201 AT THIS TIME. AFTER WE DELIVERED THE SHOW, AND PRIOR TO BROADCAST, COMEDY CENTRAL PLACED NUMEROUS ADDITIONAL AUDIO BLEEPS THROUGHOUT THE EPISODE. WE DO NOT HAVE NETWORK APPROVAL TO STREAM OUR ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE SHOW. WE WILL BRING YOU A VERSION OF 201 AS SOON AS WE CAN."

Many say the excessive bleeping is "genius" or "compelling" commentary by the South Park creators. But it is more like a good example of making lemonade from lemons.

I demand a new, uncensored episode were Ol' Mo' gets dumped on at least as much as poor baby Jesus. We will see. If a future episode rips on Allah, Mohammed, and the Black Rock from Space, then we will know they are unafraid of jihad threats!

Here, this at least is kind of funny. Muslims worship something not of this world! Alien Worshipping traitors!

The Black Rock From Space All Muslims Worship
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[edit on 22-4-2010 by mike_trivisonno]

[edit on 22-4-2010 by mike_trivisonno]

When i watched it i figured the only censorship was the name Muhammed. The rest, in particular the bit at the end, seemed like the censorship was part of the joke/point. As were the on screen 'censored' bars.

I have nothing against people of any faith but feel i must point out that the 'threateners' in this case have clearly lost focus of what's important in their religion.


Ps. laughed my absolute nuts off!

Originally posted by eNumbra
For all the outrage and bluster in this thread, did anyone stop to think that maybe... they bleeped the word and any mention of the character to make a point about censorship?

Comedy Central did all the censorship without telling Matt and Trey.

This was about CC covering their butts, not about anyone trying to make a point.


And why do we need three threads about this subject?

What tells me it was intentional, was the subplot with the "ooze" machine that the celebrities and the gingers we're going to use to transfer Muhammad's power of censorship into them. That joke, and the one that followed with the boys noticing who Tom Cruise was even though he was censored, wouldn't have worked otherwise. The creators already new from the previous episode they tried to air that the heads of Comedy Central/Viacom wouldn't allow Muhammad to be shown.

Originally posted by Miracle Man

Originally posted by eNumbra
For all the outrage and bluster in this thread, did anyone stop to think that maybe... they bleeped the word and any mention of the character to make a point about censorship?

Comedy Central did all the censorship without telling Matt and Trey.

This was about CC covering their butts, not about anyone trying to make a point.


And why do we need three threads about this subject?

You don't think a subject that intertwines media, religion, and censorship is thread-worthy?

You'd rather: I think I just saw nbiru. Derp, it was just the sun.

Best,
Skunknuts

Since the person whose name they bleeped was a murderous, pedophile maybe it should be bleeped.

I thought it was a great episode. I just find it sad that the thought of Muhammad in a cartoon angers so many Muslims. We had Jesus looking at internet pornography and Buddha snorting coc aine. Where's the outcry from the Christians and Buddhists? Everyone should be a little offended from time to time. It builds character, and the rest of us wont have to tiptoe around people in this bull# PC world.

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Sure its thread worthy.

I'm guessing thats why there are about 4 or 5 threads on the subject already.

edit to add.

I have no idea what nbiru is.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by Miracle Man]

Matt and Trey did something brilliant...

They had a real message that REALLY needed to be heard; the watered down one is that we should not take making fun of things so seriously.

So they take the single historical character that if you so much as show, let alone make fun of, some people will threaten your life.

It creates interest in the show beyond their normal audience. It was on the news, free publicity.

So they get to make their point, and make more money off of it.

I haven't seen the new episode yet, have to wait until tonight (it's on at 9:30 central time for those who wanted to catch it) but I just rewatched the first part, and it really seems like they were setting everything up. They mentioned that they could be threatened, they go to great lengths to not show him, it was a huge set up.

That's how I see it at least.

reply to post by iamsupermanv2




This isn't the first time they've used Mohammed in this way on South Park, The first time it was clever and having a dig by not showing him, This time... It was Comedy Central who censored it, They've admitted it.
There are many news articles where they admit this.. and I bet Trey and Matt are pissed off.

As controversy raged, Comedy Central confessed that it was responsible for the cuts. "I can't go into the thinking behind it, but I can confirm it was Comedy Central that inserted the bleeps and not South Park," a spokesman for the station said.

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