Admiral Byrd / Antarctic Mystery

reply to post by Silver Shadow


It's your beliefs anyway and your life and the way you want to live. Enjoy yourself.

BTW, by all means thrash me but please leave the kids alone. What had they done to you that you must disparage against them? They are not as stupid as you presumed or they would have never ascended the grades.

[edit on 1-5-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

i urge you not to argue with him. He doesn't believe any of this and there is no point trying to convince him. Anyways, let's try to get this back on track which i had to try to do in my last antarctica post when he came along and started arguing. I will present the quote from Admiral Byrd which people can not deny.

from: ufocasebook.conforums.com...

QUOTE: "The Expedition completed its Mission in less than two months and left the region after having made major geographical discoveries"

QUOTE: "The Admiral stated that in his opinion the Expedition had established a precedent without parallel as regards the rapidity with which the geographical discoveries were made."

Here one asks, "Without parallel in comparison to what?". Was there some kind of timetable to make "the geographical discoveries"?

QUOTE: "As regards the recently terminated Expedition, Admiral Byrd said that the most important result of the observations and discoveries made was the bearing which these had on the security of the United States."

The Admiral then went on to say:
QUOTE: "I am in a position perhaps better than any other person to realize the significance of how to use the scientific knowledge in these explorations because I can make comparisons. Twenty years ago I made my first Antarctic Expedition."

If the Admiral was making comparisons between what he saw now and what he saw twenty years ago, this implies that something relating to the geography of Antarctica must have changed. Otherwise there would be no point in making a comparison because everything would be the same. This might also explain the true Mission of the Expedition: to investigate the topographical changes. (Byrd was obviously referring to the Byrd Expedition I of 1928-1930 when he was in the area between 150° and 180° from the Pole on the Pacific side. It would be here that the geographical change had most likely occurred.)

In what way did these geographical discoveries and observations adversely affect the security of the United States?

QUOTE: "Admiral Richard E Byrd warned today of the need for the United States to adopt protective measures against the possibility of invasion of the country by hostile aircraft proceeding from the polar regions. 'I don't want to scare anybody but the bitter reality is that in the event of a new war the United States will be attacked by aircraft flying in from one or both poles."

On three occasions in the article Admiral Byrd warned of "invasion of the country". This term does not mean invasion of air space, it means invasion of the United States by a foreign Power. In 1947 the United States was the world's only super Power. The threat to the security of the United States was of attack and invasion by aircraft proceeding from the polar regions. One of the main reasons for Admiral Byrd's early return was to warn his countrymen to prepare defences against this threat. He could have reported his findings by signal but instead he decided to head for home, so urgent was what he had to communicate.

What i requested in my OP is for someone that speaks spanish to translate the original newspaper clipping which i provided. Also i wanted to see if anyone could confirm if this interview is real. If it is real i think this is the best evidence of "UFOs" because of Admiral Byrd's importance within the government.

Admiral Bird was quite right in the above statement.

Antarctica is a vast landmass, and the idea that an Antarctic Treaty would be signed by all the major nations, but America would be totally left out of the process would be a political and long term STRATEGIC disaster for America.

So America worked very hard during the 1958 International Geophysical year with Operation High Jump to earn a voice among the other Antarctic nations, and the motive for that is easily understood.

If you believe that Admiral Bird set up secret underground Masonic lodges in Antarctica, or contacted aliens, or discovered star gates, time travel, or any other of the conspiracy nonsense, you are OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN MIND.

It is just as crazy as believing the war in Iraq was started because of hidden star gates, time travel, secret alien bases, shape shifting reptilians, and all the SAME total nonsense.

Next we will hear Iran is being bombed because there are hidden star gates, secret underground alien bases, time travel, and shape shifting reptilians.

And some people here will STILL believe it all.

ya know what guys...this is a good thread, leave peoples families out of it..i loved that old film and wish we had more info on the whole expedition.

just to clarify..

If you believe that Admiral Bird set up secret underground Masonic lodges in Antarctica, or contacted aliens, or discovered star gates, time travel, or any other of the conspiracy nonsense, you are OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN MIND.

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He did not set up a secret underground masonic lodge. He set up a REAL masonic lodge on his previous trip to Antarctica, the trip before Highjump.

There is very little information on this and that is why i made that other post. The information about the Masonic lodge No. 777 of Antartica under New Zealand is a fact, i'm sorry if that bothers you.

Admiral Richard E. Byrd, Federal Lodge No. 1, Washington, DC; established Antarctica Lodge No. 777 under the Grand Lodge of New Zealand

www.matawanlodge.org...

I can't find much more information than that. That is why i made the previous thread about the Antartic Lodge No. 777, why is it there and why did they choose that number.

I just want answers and that interview is very strange. I want the truth and there is a lot to discuss from that interview. Please, tell me what you think he meant in that interview silver shadow? I would love to hear it. Do you think that interview was faked? This is what i'm trying to find out. I do not believe the Journal but i am trying to find out what he meant in the interview and if the interview is fake than there is nothing mysterious about Admiral Byrd's trip to Antarctica.

reply to post by Silver Shadow


I strongly disagree with your conclusions.
First of all, many thanks to the OP for this and his related threads!
You added some missing pieces like the fact that Byrd was a high ranking free mason and the Chilean newspaper article. This article was mentioned in a very good German documentary about the Nazi UFOs.
I've been looking into this Nazi UFO subject and I researched most of the claims that are made in this documentary. Stunningly, the evidence that is presented, how circumstantial it may be, is very real. The suggestions that are being made and the way they try to connect the dots makes also lots of sense.
The Documentary is called originally "UFO, Das Dritte Reich schlägt zurück? (UFO, the Third Reich strikes back?). There is however no adequate or professional English translation. My English and German are good in word and writing, but translating a documentary about scientific, mythological and esoteric stuff that goes 1 hour and 20 minutes is just too much for me. I've seen many US movies and the synchronized German version of them and I can assure you that even a well trained translator would have difficulties with it.

Besides the bulk of ignorance and disinformation, I found many, many threads and replies here on ATS which seem unrelated that confirm and back the story it even more.

Like the recent spirals, that one in Norway and those on the Australian radar made me wonder if this was related to the work of "Viktor Schauberger" from who is claimed that he is one of the geniuses behind the Nazi UFOs.
What is a spiral? A vortex! The vortex was Schauberger's territory!

There are however some very annoying "but's":

-The subject is and will be heavily ridiculed by many, even highly respected members.

-The Holocaust, its denial and the implications that it would have if it were only 350,000 deaths instead of the propagated 6 million.

-The opponents and debunkers tend to dismiss these topics as being ultra right wing propaganda or anti-Semitic.

-ATS being an American Forum. Nothing against Americans, but many of those fellow earthlings should get their feet back down on the ground.
It is probably very scary for many of you Americans if there would be a "Third Superpower" besides the USA and Russia.

All this stuff of the Nazis overtaking the USA is disinformation.
It's true that Jewish banks financed Hitler's war machine AFTER the war broke out but that overshadows something much more significant.

Hitler came into power during a economic crisis, one like we're in now.
How did he manage to rebuild Germany and what were his methods?
What was the concept of the National Socialistic economy before the invasion of Poland?
How did they measure the value of money if it wasn't backed by a gold reserve?

reply to post by Regenstorm


Awesome post and thanks for replying! I have seen a few books on Nazi UFO's and it does seem like they were real. I almost think that most UFOs we see today are man made.

What do you think the connection is between the jews, freemasonry and going to Antarctica? I have heard that jews possibly funded both sides of the war, aiding Germany and England. I don't know if i believe it because someone mentioned it to me and i haven't done the proper research regarding this subject. If you have any insight on the connection between the three i mentioned i would love to hear it. Great post !

Imagine the reaction of the American people if they found out that the US had given safe haven to a hosts of Nazi Scientist/Engineers/Physicists/War Criminals in return for their knowlege and skills. Imagine that despite the offer of amnesty, there were a certain hardcore group of SS Nazi Fanatics that would not surrender, and sought refuge in the Natl Redoubt og Antarktika.

This is what I believe happened...Operation Paper Clip, followed by Operation High Jump. Kinda like after the US Civil War...the guerillas turn in for amnesty...those that don't are outlaws.

The idea of alien UFOs was a perfect cover for the crescent UFOs seen by Arnold that look a lot like the Horten Bros prototypes of jet fighters/interceptors of 1944/45 Nazi Germany. Don't forget, Werner Von Braun was linked to over 30,000 slave camp deaths and yet, was a top player at NASA and was involved even with Walt Disney in their designs and space films. If I remember correctly, Disney was linked to the Nazis years before....coincidence?

Lastly, why would you carry 4,000 marines and an aircraft carrier to the Antarctic for geological exploration? Sounds like a Marine Amphibious Expeditionary force to me. They lost aircraft and took casualties... Finding coal and rocks?

O/k, let's assume there is a still a secret Nazi underground base in Antarctica somewhere.

Now Antarctica is very remote, very cold, and it is dark for six months of each year. There is no food, no fuel, nothing down there to live on.

Every day the people on that base burn fuel and eat food just to stay alive. Where does it all come from ?

Are you saying that a relief ship goes down there regularly each summer to resupply this secret base ? If that is the case, where does the ship and all these supplies come from ?

Or maybe the base is resupplied from the Air. Maybe dozens of heavy lift aircraft make dozens of return trips to resupply this base. Where do they come from, what country?

With all this MASSIVE movement of ships and aircraft, every summer and thousands of tons of fuel spare parts, and food, to resupply this secret Nazi base, arriving in the Antarctic from overseas, why has it never been seen in all these years by anyone ?

In the very few summer months when the sea ice retreats, and it is daylight for 24 hours, the whole Antarctic coastline is alive with human activity. Bases being resupplied, aircraft flying, scientific work being carried out, but NOBODY has ever seen this supposed huge logistical effort to resupply this secret Nazi base. Why is that ?

reply to post by Silver Shadow


I don't think anyone is saying there still is a base there, this was right after world war 2.

What i am mainly concerned with is the interview and what he meant. That was the reason for this thread. Was he warning us of already present bases of enemies or the POSSIBILITY of bases being set up and us being attacked from those bases. If he is warning of a possible base setup than there could be nothing to this, but if there was something there, that is what i want to know about.

As for the food, i am sure they brought a bunch of food but i'm almost 100% certain that you can grow food underground. All you need is artificial light. You can bring enough food to last a few months while you wait for the food to grow. Also i would imagine you could have livestock there too, something like chicken would probably be the easiest. Chickens take about 6 months from hatching to full grown adulthood. They could probably keep the females for eggs for a while and eat the males.

This is all assuming you can raise animals underground, which i would think you could, i don't see why you couldn't. This would explain why there are non planes seen reaching them.

Let's say if you were trying to keep the Nazi regime going you would have to find a place to hide and keep doing whatever you wanted to do and Antarctica would be the perfect place.

Remember we are not saying this is going on today, this was right after world war 2.

[edit on 2-5-2010 by BeastMaster2012]

www.youtube.com...

Perhaps, it may be time to connect the dots.


1..Religions IF look upon religous figures as highly advance beings - Creator and Satan.


2. The strange and mystifying acceptance of gold as a primary role of backed asset in our past and present economic activities, a mineral resource that has no or little practical or tech use in our past and current stage of evolution, as compared to other more critical mineral resource needed by mankind.


3. UFO reports from ancient civilisations, even from Christopher Columbus


4. The rise of the Occultist (An alien branched assisted?) Nazi empire, and their presume fall and current resurgence for totalitarian dominance, as well as collusion from world leaders with need for silence..


5. An isolated last piece of landmass base called Antarctica sustained by alien technology both from air and undersea


6. .Book of revelations with deeper understanding explained in scientific terms, and its effect on our current times.


7. A clearer defination of alien threat - are there different species at work and current unseen war?


What one DOES NOT see or DOES NOT know is not a reality, but only a personal truth.
We must bravely go BEYOND our perceptions of personal truths based upon our 5 senses in order to find the true reality of what is happening.

This may be the most important thread for 'awakening'.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

And how does all that prove the existence of secret Nazi bases in the Antarctic?

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Well, you're right about this being a very important thread.
Just like this one:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

To be fair they may have had such a large defense force not because of any conspiracy but instead because of who was going and because of where they were going. A non-friendly military force could have tried to take advantage of the situation so they might have just wanted to have a large force to be able to respond to any kind of possible surprise attack.

This might have been mentioned before:

there was a plane crash during operation highjump and untill today the bodies of the plane crew havent been recovered.


I've also read somewhere that some nuclear experiments where done during operation highjump and that those experiments are responsible for the hole in the ozone layer.
on the next expedition 3 atomic bombs were tested on antarctica and all the 3 that were tested exploded on the air before reaching destination without any possible explanation by officials.

These nuclear explosion where detected in south africa.

It is also said that the next expedition to the antarctic, the 1st chilean expedition encoutered a lot of UFo activity.

but i couldn't find any info on that expedition....



[edit on 3-5-2010 by hateeternal]

[edit on 3-5-2010 by hateeternal]

reply to post by sremmos


Your mixing stuff up. There were no nuclear devices used during Operation "High Jump".
There are however steady rumors that during Operation "Deep Freeze" in 1958 the USA detonated 3 EMP Bombs in an attempt to disable the electromagnetic propulsion system of the German UFOs. It is also been said that the hole in the ozone layer was caused by this event.
Isn't it strange that the hole in the ozone layer is in the southern hemisphere and not in the northern hemisphere where most of the industries are and most of the pollution is? A glimpse at the Jetstream may make you wonder how all the pollution from the North got there down South.

Originally posted by Regenstorm
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

 

Well, you're right about this being a very important thread.
Just like this one:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks for the link, it's a long one but i will definitely read it. I am fascinated with the Sumerians so it should be a good read.

So is it safe to say that most people posting here in this thread that we can assume that what admiral Byrd warned about in the interview is the Nazi UFOs?

Something that is also a very important notice is the collaboration between Germany and Japan. Can you imagine what results they produced if their engineers worked together on the saucer project?
Too bad that Japan is very far away and the language barrier very big. Or are there Japanese members here on ATS? I wish someone would do some research in Japan.

I have a Dutch book about flying saucers from the 80s and there is a short story about a sighting that occurred the day after George Adamski Died. This case suggests that the Venusians aka Germans were responsible for the death of Mantell. The Adamski case can be found in the [HOAX] Section of this forum. In my opinion the hoax is that the Venusian stories are there to hide the true origin of these saucers.
Debunkers are still not sure if the Haunebu 2 craft was a lamp, a hubcap or a chicken feeder.

reply to post by Regenstorm


Thanks for the link. No stone must be left unturned if we are to seek for the reality of truth. But I think this thread holds more research potential to build up the pieces of Nazi links to Antartica and make the world more aware of whats going on, the very reality that some selfish ones in this world is trying so hard to hide. 'Can we handle the truth?'

The boys from Brazil

To Beastmaster:- there's still plenty more gaps to fill before we can come to a conclusion. But we do have a premise we must tirelessly work on.

I have a feeling Atlantis is Antarctica. I have a wonderful book called "The Atlantis Blueprint" by Colin WIlson and Rand Flem-ath who continue the work of Charles Hapgood. Here is a bit on his theory about pole shifts:
en.wikipedia.org...

In 1958 Hapgood published his first book, The Earth's Shifting Crust which denied the existence of continental drift. The foreword was written by the physicist Albert Einstein shortly before his death in 1955. In this book, and two successive books, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings (1966) and The Path of the Pole (1970), Hapgood proposed the theory that the Earth's axis has shifted numerous times during geological history.

Hapgood's Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings used numerous archival maps, including the Piri Reis Map, which he claims show a vast southern continent roughly similar to Antarctica in shape, to propose that a 15 degree pole shift occurred around 9,600 B.C.E. (approx. 11.600 years ago), and that a part of the Antarctic was ice-free at that time. By implication an ice-age civilization could have mapped the coast at that point in time. This claim has not been validated.

Also today i rewatched a documatary on Hollow Earth in which they talk about Antartica.

They talk about how Admiral Byrd's expidition found the openings to Hollow Earth and his second expidition, Operation Highjump was lead by a secret organization called "The Secret Thule Organization that pulled the strings behind the Nazis". I can't make out the THULE word, i think it's that but i could be wrong. Following this, they show an interview with Vladimir Tarzisky, a UFO researcher who talks about the secret mission and about the 1 hour color documentary that the US released, probably "The Secret Land" which is posted here. He also adds there are rumors of russian and british troops along with the mostly 4000 US troops. Goes on to say they traveled to "little america" where Byrd had been in his previous trip a few years before and tried to locate the german base that was established around 10 years ago in 1936 or 1937, rumor is they established a massive underground colony with atleast 100,000 scientist, researchers, SS troops, children from hitler youth who would become the seed of the super race. They go into more stuff about Nazi's and Hitler and ofcour Agartha and hollow earth.

The Hollow Earth theory is fascinating, but i am not sure i buy it. I can understand underground tunnels and some kind of people or race living underground though and the earth not being hollow, but there being huge pockets of areas that are suitable to house a giant civilization. There are so many stories of long underground tunnels with strange creatures living inside them as most people in this post already know about, especially in south america.

Here is a link to the video, it is an hour long and very interesting and sums up the Hollow Earth stuff

www.veoh.com...

If you download the veoh player you can download the whole video to your PC. Veoh is a great site to download documentaries. I do NOT watch TV anymore, it is all trash and i stick to documentaries for entertainment.