War Looms It Would Be Wise To Prepare

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
Who cares? Really? All you guys do is talk and talk about how war or economic collapse is around the corner.

The numbers dont lie:
www.usdebtclock.org...

Because there is nothing else you all can do about it. Your all slaves like the rest of us. We have no say in it. The definition of insanity is repeating the same process and expecting a different result.

Um, continuing to not do anything about being slaves isnt also insanity? The same source of our slavery has plenty of hand in all the major wars.

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
War Looms It Would Be Nice To Prepare

If by those that should prepare you mean the U.S, then I conclude that:

You have - by far - the highest military budget in the world (U.S military expenses represents almost 50% of the entire world military budget)

You're firmly implanted in the region your "prophecies" conclude as the danger-zone, militarily occupying Iraq, partially Afghanistan, with military bases and installations scattered all over the Middle East.

So I would say that you're already well-prepared, I would even say that you're likely to be the cause of or the reason for a possible future conflict.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I couldn't be bothered to read the entire thread, but why the hell would Switzerland be anihillated? They are obsessively peaceful and non-partisan. The only offensive thing they have ever commited to the war effort was the Swiss Army Knife!

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I'd need some citations for all of that. Thing is, if its supposed to be here in less than 2 years why cant we see it yet? How fast is it going / what its velocity?

I already did. i showed how three research groups found a secular increase in the distance between the planets and the Sun which cannot be explained by any of the theories we have now.

I have even written several links pointing out to this research and more, and how scientists are looking for a Dead Star, a companion star to our Sun.

Satellites, like Pioneer, were at first affected by whatever this is, and then comets, and even the planets are being affected by this.

If you check the past links I gave you will see the evidence.

Why can't be seen? Because it does not behave like a normal star, since it never became a regular star.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The Hopi's have passed down wise tales, not historically preserved scriptures.

That is not entirely true, what the Maya say is that the world won't end. It is just a new cycle which began with the appearance of the Blue Star Kachina. But this new cycle will also bring much destruction as well as transformation.

The Maya/Hopi prophecy has been passed down through the ages.

Then you have Wormwood in the Christian bible.

Rev 8:10-11 "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Forgive me, but I wasn't aware of anything happening to the solar system that isn't related to the global warming controversy.

A lot is happening to the Solar System, appart from Climate Change on Earth. Many other planets have been undergoing Climate Change also and mainly in the form of WARMING.

Not only that, but scientist who actually have been investigating this for ages report the following.

If you actually read the links, and excerpts I gave in page 6, you will see some of what is happening to the Solar System.

This is one of the theories some scientists have about the "invisible dead star".

Nasa scientists are searching for an invisible 'Death Star' that circles the Sun, which catapults potentially catastrophic comets at the Earth.

The star, also known as Nemesis, is five times the size of Jupiter and could be to blame for the impact that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

The bombardment of icy missiles is being blamed by some scientists for mass extinctions of life that they say happen every 26 million years.
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Evidence Mounts For Companion Star To Our Sun
by Staff Writers
Newport Beach CA (SPX) Apr 25, 2006
The Binary Research Institute (BRI) has found that orbital characteristics of the recently discovered planetoid, Sedna, demonstrate the possibility that our sun might be part of a binary star system. A binary star system consists of two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass.

Once thought to be highly unusual, such systems are now considered to be common in the Milky Way galaxy.

Walter Cruttenden at BRI, Professor Richard Muller at UC Berkeley, Dr. Daniel Whitmire of the University of Louisiana, amongst several others, have long speculated on the possibility that our sun might have an as yet undiscovered companion. Most of the evidence has been statistical rather than physical.

The recent discovery of Sedna, a small planet like object first detected by Cal Tech astronomer Dr. Michael Brown, provides what could be indirect physical evidence of a solar companion. Matching the recent findings by Dr. Brown, showing that Sedna moves in a highly unusual elliptical orbit, Cruttenden has determined that Sedna moves in resonance with previously published orbital data for a hypothetical companion star.

In the May 2006 issue of Discover, Dr. Brown stated: "Sedna shouldnt be there. Theres no way to put Sedna where it is. It never comes close enough to be affected by the sun, but it never goes far enough away from the sun to be affected by other stars... Sedna is stuck, frozen in place; there's no way to move it, basically there's no way to put it there – unless it formed there. But it's in a very elliptical orbit like that. It simply can't be there. There's no possible way - except it is. So how, then?"

"I'm thinking it was placed there in the earliest history of the solar system. I'm thinking it could have gotten there if there used to be stars a lot closer than they are now and those stars affected Sedna on the outer part of its orbit and then later on moved away. So I call Sedna a fossil record of the earliest solar system. Eventually, when other fossil records are found, Sedna will help tell us how the sun formed and the number of stars that were close to the sun when it formed."

www.spacedaily.com...

Anomalies in the Solar System
Dittus, Hansjoerg
37th COSPAR Scientific Assembly. Held 13-20 July 2008, in Montréal, Canada., p.717
Several observations show unexplained phenomena in our solar system. These observations are e.g. the Pioneer Anomaly, an unexplained constant acceleration of the Pioneer 10 and 11 spacecraft, the Flyby Anomaly, an unexplained increase of the velocity of a series of spacecraft after Earth gravity assists, the recently reported increase of the Astronomical Unit defined by the distance of the planets from the Sun by approximately 10 m per century, the quadrupole and octupole anomaly which describes the correlation of the low l contributions of the Cosmic Microwave Background to the orientation of the Solar system. Lacking any explanation until now, these phenomena are still investigated intensively. In my talk I will discuss the present status of those investigations and the attempts to find reasonable explantions.

adsabs.harvard.edu...

Another source explaining a bit more about the secular increase in AU, and which still states it cannot be explained by our current knowledge.

Secular increase of the astronomical unit and perihelion precessions as tests of the Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati multi-dimensional braneworld scenario
Lorenzo Iorio JCAP09(2005)006 doi: 10.1088/1475-7516/2005/09/006

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Lorenzo Iorio
Viale Unità di Italia 68, 70125, Bari, Italy
E-mail: [email protected]
Abstract. An unexpected secular increase of the astronomical unit, the length scale of the Solar System, has recently been reported by three different research groups (Krasinsky and Brumberg, Pitjeva, Standish). The latest JPL measurements amount to 7 ± 2 m cy−1. At present, there are no explanations able to accommodate such an observed phenomenon, either in the realm of classical physics or in the usual four-dimensional framework of the Einsteinian general relativity. The Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati braneworld scenario, which is a multi-dimensional model of gravity aimed at providing an explanation of the observed cosmic acceleration without dark energy, predicts, among other things, a perihelion secular shift, due to Lue and Starkman, of 5 × 10−4 arcsec cy−1 for all the planets of the Solar System. It yields a variation of about 6 m cy−1 for the Earth–Sun distance which is compatible with the observed rate of change for the astronomical unit. The recently measured corrections to the secular motions of the perihelia of the inner planets of the Solar System are in agreement with the predicted value of the Lue–Starkman effect for Mercury, Mars and, at a slightly worse level, the Earth.

www.iop.org...

There is also evidence that whatever this is, is also affecting comets, and they are arriving earlier than they are supposed to.

6 The increase of the Astronomical Unit

6.1 The observation

From the analysis of radiometric measurements of distances between the Earth and the major planets including observations from Martian orbiters and landers from 1961 to 2003 a secular increase of the Astronomical Unit of approximately 10 m/cy has been reported (36) (see also the article (37) and the discussion therein).

6.2 Search for explanation

Time–dependent gravitational constant and velocity of light This increase cannot be explained by a time–dependent gravitational constant G because the ˙ G/G needed is larger than the restrictions obtained from LLR.

It has also been speculated that a time–dependent change in the velocity of light can be responsible for this effect. Indeed, if the speed of light becomes smaller, than ranging will simulate a drift of distances. However, a inspection of Kepler’s third law
T2 4π2
a3 = GM⊙

(17)
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shows that, if one replaces the distance a by a ranging time a = ct, then effectively the quotient G/c3 appears. Only this combination of the gravitational constant and the speed of light governs the ratio between the orbit time, in our case the orbit time of the Earth. Consequently, a time–dependent speed of light is equivalent to a time–dependent gravitational constant. Since the latter has been ruled out to be possibly responsible for an increase of the Astronomical Unit, also a time–dependent speed of light has to be ruled out.

Cosmic expansion The influence of cosmic expansion by many orders of magnitude too small, see Sec.9.2. Neither the modification of the gravitational field of the Sun nor the drag of the planetary orbits due to the expansion is big enough to explain this drift.

Clock drift An increase of ranged distances might also be due to a drift of the time scale of the form t → t + αt2 for α > 0. This is of the same form as the time drift needed to account for the Pioneer anomaly. From Kepler’s third law one may ask which α is suitable in order to simulate the increase of the Astronomical Unit. One obtains α ≈ 3 · 10−20 s−1 what is astonishing close to the clock drift needed for a clock drift simulation of the pioneer anomaly, see Eq.(16) and below.
7 The quadrupole and octupule anomaly Recently an anomalous behavior of the low–l contributions to the cosmic microwave background has been reported. It has been shown that (i) there exists an alignment between the quadrupole and octupole with > 99.87% C.L. [38], and (ii) that the quadrupole and octupole are aligned to Solar system ecliptic to > 99% C.L. [39]. No correlation with the galactic plane has been found.

The reason for this is totally unclear. One may speculate that an unknown gravitational field within the Solar system slightly redirects the incoming cosmic microwave radiation (in the similar way as a motion with a certain velocity with respect to the rest frame of the cosmological background redirects the cosmic background radiation and leads to modifications of the dipole and quadrupole parts). Such a redirection should be more pronounced for low–l components of the radiation. It should be possible to calculate the gravitational field needed for such a redirection and then to compare that with the observational data of the Solar system and the other observed anomalies.

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8.2 Other anomalies?
There is one further observation which status is rather unclear bit which perhaps may fit into the other observations. This is the observation of the return time of comets: Comets usually come back a few days before they are expected when applying ordinary equations of motion. The delay usually is assigned to the outgassing of these objects. In fact, the delay is used for an estimate of the strength of this outgassing. On the other hand, it has been calculated in (44) that the assumption that starting with 20 AU there is an additional acceleration of the order of the Pioneer anomaly also leads to the effect that comets come back a few days earlier. It is not clear whether this is a serious indications but a further study of the trajectories of comets certainly is worthwhile.

arxiv.org...

Originally posted by nik1halo
Sorry if this has already been asked, but I couldn't be bothered to read the entire thread, but why the hell would Switzerland be anihillated? They are obsessively peaceful and non-partisan. The only offensive thing they have ever commited to the war effort was the Swiss Army Knife!

Since you couldn't be bothered to read the entire thread, you probably haven't bothered to get a history lesson either?

Hitler didn't bomb Switzerland. Why not? THEY'RE THE BANKERS. They financed him, and kept his loot safe.

Obsessively peaceful in their own country perhaps, but another country getting bombed is just good business right?

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
Who cares? Really? All you guys do is talk and talk about how war or economic collapse is around the corner.

The numbers dont lie:
www.usdebtclock.org...

Because there is nothing else you all can do about it. Your all slaves like the rest of us. We have no say in it. The definition of insanity is repeating the same process and expecting a different result.

Um, continuing to not do anything about being slaves isnt also insanity? The same source of our slavery has plenty of hand in all the major wars.

OOOhh somebody made a web page with numbers counting up and down..... well then it must be true. come on man. where is the evidence to back all this up. just because sombody made a web page with a countdown doesnt mean you sit in front of it with popcorn waiting to see if when the money runs out something is going to happen. its not real. its just an illusion to keep you distracted.

you laugh at the morons that are zombiefied by "so you think you can dance" or the hills or twilight or whatever load of garbage there flogging the sheep to keep them distracted only to fall victim to this other form of distraction. Oh no the world is going to end... so what if it does. did you think you were going to live forever? how about living everyday like its your last and being glad for the gift of each day. Do you really think the world will ever be free of tyrants and tyranny??? what fantasy world do you live in? there will always be a negative element in the world there has to be we need it. so dry those tears and pick yourself up its going to be ok. there is nothing to worry about. the worst that could happen to you is that you could die with regrets so get off your ass and live life with none.

thats all im going to ad to this fear mongering hope you all have an average day.

We have had several threads showing some of what is happening to the Solar System, which will cause more dramatic changes even to Earth.

NASA-Voyager Makes an Interstellar Discovery

December 23, 2009: The solar system is passing through an interstellar cloud that physics says should not exist. In the Dec. 24th issue of Nature, a team of scientists reveal how NASA's Voyager spacecraft have solved the mystery.

"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system," explains lead author Merav Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University. "This magnetic field holds the interstellar cloud together and solves the long-standing puzzle of how it can exist at all."

voyager.jpl.nasa.gov...

Some of this I have posted throughout the years in these forums in threads such as.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have shown that even back in 1978 scientists already knew the Solar System was headed into a new region of space, and an interstellar cloud which could very well change the climate of Earth.

Title:
Is the solar system entering a nearby interstellar cloud
Authors:
Vidal-Madjar, A.; Laurent, C.; Bruston, P.; Audouze, J.
Affiliation:
AA(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AB(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AC(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AD(Meudon Observatoire, Hauts-de-Seine; Paris XI, Universite, Orsay, Essonne, France)
Publication:
Astrophysical Journal, Part 1, vol. 223, July 15, 1978, p. 589-600. (ApJ Homepage)
Publication Date:
07/1978
Category:
Astrophysics
Origin:
STI
NASA/STI Keywords:
ASTRONOMICAL MODELS, DEUTERIUM, HYDROGEN ATOMS, INTERSTELLAR GAS, SOLAR SYSTEM, ABUNDANCE, EARLY STARS, GAS DENSITY, INTERSTELLAR EXTINCTION
DOI:
10.1086/156294
Bibliographic Code:
1978ApJ...223..589V

Abstract
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Observational arguments in favor of such a cloud are presented, and implications of the presence of a nearby cloud are discussed, including possible changes in terrestrial climate. It is suggested that the postulated interstellar cloud should encounter the solar system at some unspecified time in the 'size=4]near' future and might have a drastic influence on terrestrial climate in the next 10,000 years.

adsabs.harvard.edu...

Then NASA, and ESA made the discovery of the increase in interstellar dust because we have been approaching this new region of space.

ESA sees stardust storms heading for Solar System

PRESS RELEASE
Date Released: Monday, August 18, 2003
Source: Artemis Society

Until ten years ago, most astronomers did not believe stardust could enter our Solar System. Then ESA's Ulysses spaceprobe discovered minute stardust particles leaking through the Sun's magnetic shield, into the realm of Earth and the other planets. Now, the same spaceprobe has shown that a flood of dusty particles is heading our way.
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What is surprising in this new Ulysses discovery is that the amount of stardust has continued to increase even after the solar activity calmed down and the magnetic field resumed its ordered shape in 2001.

Scientists believe that this is due to the way in which the polarity changed during solar maximum. Instead of reversing completely, flipping north to south, the Sun's magnetic poles have only rotated at halfway and are now more or less lying sideways along the Sun's equator. This weaker configuration of the magnetic shield is letting in two to three times more stardust than at the end of the 1990s. Moreover, this influx could increase by as much as ten times until the end of the current solar cycle in 2012.

www.spaceref.com...

Part of the reason for this increase is because the Sun has been acting very strange, and the last time it's magnetic field did not flip completely. But that is not all. The increase in the interstellar dust is exponential, which means, it has been getting denser and denser. Do notice how they say this would occur until 2012.

Not only that but Pluto, which has been moving away from the Sun since 1999 had been WARMING as it moved away from the Sun, and even 9 years after it had been moving away it had been WARMING.

Pluto thought to be warming up
Astronomers at the University of Tasmania have found that the solar system's smallest planet is not getting colder as first thought and it probably does not have rings.

Dr John Greenhill has collected observations from last month's event when Pluto passed in front of a bright star, making it easier to study.

French scientists have shared the measurements they took in Tasmania that night, which indicate that the planet is unlikely to have rings.

Dr Greenhill says the results are surprising because they show Pluto is warming up.

"It looks as though the atmosphere has not changed from 2002, which is pretty surprising because we expected the atmosphere would freeze out as the planet moved further away from the Sun," he said.

"But so far, if anything, the atmosphere has gotten even denser."

www.abc.net.au...

So something from outside the Solar System, or something within the Solar System we haven't seen yet had been warming Pluto.

But Pluto, and EArth have not been the only planets, or even Moons with at atmosphere which ahve been undergoing Climate change in the form of warming.

Mars may be going through a period of climate change, new findings from NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest.

Odyssey has been mapping the distribution of materials on and near Mars' surface since early 2002, nearly a full annual cycle on Mars. Besides tracking seasonal changes, such as the advance and retreat of polar dry ice, the orbiter is returning evidence useful for learning about longer-term dynamics.

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Martian Ice Shrinking Dramatically

New gullies that did not exist in mid-2002 have appeared on a Martian sand dune.

That's just one of the surprising discoveries that have resulted from the extended life of NASA's Mars Global Surveyor, which this month began its ninth year in orbit around Mars. Boulders tumbling down a Martian slope left tracks that weren't there two years ago. New impact craters formed since the 1970s suggest changes to age-estimating models. And for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress.

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

Prediction of a global climate change on Jupiter
Philip S. Marcus

Top of pageJupiter's atmosphere, as observed in the 1979 Voyager space craft images, is characterized by 12 zonal jet streams and about 80 vortices, the largest of which are the Great Red Spot and three White Ovals that had formed1 in the 1930s. The Great Red Spot has been observed2 continuously since 1665 and, given the dynamical similarities between the Great Red Spot and the White Ovals, the disappearance3, 4 of two White Ovals in 1997−2000 was unexpected. Their longevity and sudden demise has been explained5 however, by the trapping of anticyclonic vortices in the troughs of Rossby waves, forcing them to merge. Here I propose that the disappearance of the White Ovals was not an isolated event, but part of a recurring climate cycle which will cause most of Jupiter's vortices to disappear within the next decade. In my numerical simulations, the loss of the vortices results in a global temperature change of about 10 K, which destabilizes the atmosphere and thereby leads to the formation of new vortices. After formation, the large vortices are eroded by turbulence over a time of 60 years—consistent with observations of the White Ovals—until they disappear and the cycle begins again.

www.nature.com...

Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
October 9, 2002

BIRMINGHAM, Ala.--Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Williams College, the University of Hawaii, Lowell Observatory and Cornell University announced in a press conference today at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's (AAS) Division for Planetary Sciences in Birmingham, AL.

The team, led by James Elliot, professor of planetary astronomy at MIT and director of MIT's Wallace Observatory, made this finding by watching the dimming of a star when Pluto passed in front of it Aug. 20. The team carried out observations using eight telescopes at Mauna Kea Observatory, Haleakala, Lick Observatory, Lowell Observatory and Palomar Observatory. Data were successfully recorded at all sites.

An earlier attempt to observe an occultation of Pluto on July 19 in Chile was not highly successful. Observations were made from only two sites with small telescopes because the giant telescopes and other small telescopes involved lost out to bad weather or from being in the wrong location that day. These two occultations were the first to be successfully observed for Pluto since 1988.

web.mit.edu...

That's a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure in Pluto, which is the highest increase in any planet in the Solar system, and it is increasing as Pluto orbits away from the Sun. If the Sun is the cause for global warming in the solar system, as some scientists say, why is it that Pluto, the planet that is the farthest away from the Sun, experiencing the most severe effects, and it is getting worse and worse as it orbits away from the sun?

reply to post by Misoir

Face it; Christian, Jews, and Muslims don't like irreligious people

really and you know this about me already .. wow..I don't remember you EVER asking me what my beliefs are ..

STOP tring to throw the thread and stick to the point.. !!!!!

Back then, when I fist posted this I speculated that since there was going to be an exponential increase in interstellar dust, then more radiation, charged particles, and plasma would enter the Solar System. But the regular naysayers of ATS claimed there was no proof for this until...

Space radiation hits record high
22:55 29 September 2009 by David Shiga
For similar stories, visit the Solar System and Spaceflight Topic Guides

Like a wounded Starship Enterprise, our solar system's natural shields are faltering, letting in a flood of cosmic rays. The sun's recent listlessness is resulting in record-high radiation levels that pose a hazard to both human and robotic space missions.

Galactic cosmic rays are speeding charged particles that include protons and heavier atomic nuclei. They come from outside the solar system, though their exact sources are still being debated.

Earth dwellers are protected from cosmic rays by the planet's magnetic field and atmosphere. But outside Earth's protective influence, cosmic rays can play havoc with spacecraft electronics – they may be responsible for some recent computer glitches on NASA's Kepler spacecraft, which temporarily halted its planet-hunting observations. They can also damage astronaut DNA, which can lead to cancer.

Now, the influx of galactic cosmic rays into our solar system has reached a record high. Measurements by NASAs Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) spacecraft indicate that cosmic rays are 19 per cent more abundant than any previous level seen since space flight began a half century ago.
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www.newscientist.com...

Many of the changes the Sun has been experiencing were not even seen centuries ago when Galileo Galilei was studing astronomy. In fact since Galileo, around 1749, and until recently it was thought that large magnetic filaments in the Sun could onlyform and last a few hours, and they are rarely seen be as long as the last few which have appeared in the Sun.

Filaments are dark, thread-like features that are seen in red light (H-α). They are dense, somewhat cooler, clouds of material. They are suspended above the surface of the sun by loops of magnetic fields. A prominence (left) is the same thing as a filament, except that prominences are seen projecting over the limb of the sun.

Filaments and prominences can remain relatively quiet and stable for days or weeks, but as the magnetic fields that support them change, they tend to erupt and rise off the sun over the course of a few minutes to hours. These are thousand to millions of kilometers wide and tall.

The last few ones have lasted for up to a week, and have been more than a million kilometers long.

Noone has ever witnessed them last so long.




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Originally posted by TiM3LoRd

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
www.usdebtclock.org...

OOOhh somebody made a web page with numbers counting up and down..... well then it must be true.

come on man. where is the evidence to back all this up.

So then I guess you might agree that those numbers are devastating????

If you must, hover your cursor over each and every number and you can see the sources.

just because sombody made a web page with a countdown doesnt mean you sit in front of it with popcorn waiting to see if when the money runs out something is going to happen.

It doesnt count down, it counts up. Up to our undoing. How far it goes, nobody knows, but the one thing you can count on is the higher those numbers get the worse the inevitable fallout will be...

its not real. its just an illusion to keep you distracted.
... so dry those tears and pick yourself up its going to be ok. there is nothing to worry about.

The funny thing is, I challenged almost every point in the OP.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


A great deal of what your talking about could have something to do with this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Even if there were another binary star, what does it have to do with doomsday predictions? Lets play this all out: Mayans figured out that this 'niburu' 'star' has a 400 year orbit, and thats what the '2012' calendar is about. What does anyone think is going to happen, since the world is still here after the long count happening every 400 years (forever)?

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

If you review the wikipedia section I linked it shows how grossly the 'most daming' of his statements was (deliberately) mis-translated and spun into the war propaganda machine by the same talking head newscorps you cited in your response. And attacking Israel only to get nuked isn't going to end 'western powers'. Since "we" overthrew their government in 1953, and so on, and then now today are arrogent and etc as he honestly said in your articles, what else would you expect?

I know about that claim, and I know how many people use that as an excuse to claim the Iranian president has never threatened Israel or the west, but sorry that is not true. There are several newspapers, and even from the Middle East which show the times that the Iranian president has threatened Israel and the west.

Sorry but one mishap about one word does not debunk every time the Iranian president has made threats to Israel and the west.... You should know this.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Please enlighten me. Last I checked the US is the global hegemonic empire... has been involved with terrorist operations including overthrowing numerous governments for at least 60 years...

Should I enlighten you how most, if not all those countries, and regimes the U.S. has helped topple were lifted by Communist regimes, and were spread by Communist regimes?....

From Vietnam, which was started by CHINA, and in which the CHINESE murdered millions of Vietnamese who would not bow down to COMMUNISM, to almost every conflict around the world....

I know the left NEVER mention what the Chinese Communists did to Vietnam, or other nations.

Even castro has participated in the spread of Communism around the world, and I know this because several of my uncles were sent by castro to do this in Angola, and many other countries...

The U.S. did not start it, but the U.S. tried to make sure the spread of COMMUNISM was stopped...at least until Socialists/Communists, or also known as PROGRESSIVES/Democrats infiltrated politics in the U.S., and started indoctrinating, and brainwashing Americans, and most of the world into believing what you seem to believe..... that it is all the fault of the U.S....

I know it because I still remember the speeches by castro, and even Chavez, among some others who blame the "imperialistic U.S., and Capitalism for all the evils in the world"....



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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I know about that claim, and I know how many people use that as an excuse to claim the Iranian president has never threatened Israel or the west, but sorry that is not true. There are several newspapers, and even from the Middle East which show the times that the Iranian president has threatened Israel and the west.

Thats the foundation of it all. I just heard Rush repeat the phrase 'wipe them off the map' within the past 2 weeks. So when the foundational 'event' is a sick and selective play on words how are we to take the rest seriously? They've been being directly threatened in the modern sense since 9/11, despite the fact that Iran had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. They've been cornered for ages. The US and Britain literally put Iran on the map, and when they tried to take back their nation via election, 'we' overthrew their government.

At the end of the day, their annual military budget is about equal to what the Pentagon spends on day care each year!

Should I enlighten you how most, if not all those countries, and regimes the U.S. has helped topple were lifted by Communist regimes, and were spread by Communist regimes?....

According to the propaganda at the time, sure. But in hindsight most were fabrications or shoddy in other ways. In fact, please provide one totally absolutely proven example of an overthrown government / assassination that was communist before it occured.

From Vietnam, which was started by CHINA, and in which the CHINESE murdered millions of Vietnamese who would not bow down to COMMUNISM, to almost every conflict around the world....

I'm not familiar with that history, but its a fact that Ho Chi Men appealed to the USSA before the the USSR, pleading for the US to end French imperialism in their state, citing Thomas Jefferson as his hero and inspiration... the US government told them to shove it, and when the time came the US moved in as the imperialist tyrants, initiated by a false flag 'attack' in the Gulf of Tonkin. At the end of the day it was all about geostrategic positioning that doomed the regoin to bloodshed and genocide.

PS: For context:






[edit on 21-4-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


A great deal of what your talking about could have something to do with this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Doubful. It has to do with the fact that the Solar System, and the galaxy is always moving, and moves into different regions of space which can change the dynamics in the Solar System and affect Climate Change.

But in order for something to affect EVERY PLANET, not only with Climate Change, but also moving them away faster from the Sun than before can only be done by some dense dead star.

A blackhole/event horizon or whatever you want to call it would not do this, and we would see the destruction of galaxies before we start feeling the effects from such an event horizon.

Only a dense star has the mass needed to be able to affect satellites like Pioneer, make comets arrive days earlier, and even move planets farther from the Sun than what any standard model says they should be doing.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Even if there were another binary star, what does it have to do with doomsday predictions? Lets play this all out: Mayans figured out that this 'niburu' 'star' has a 400 year orbit, and thats what the '2012' calendar is about. What does anyone think is going to happen, since the world is still here after the long count happening every 400 years (forever)?

..... From the increased radiation levels, and scientist say it should increase more, to increase interstellar dust, the Climate changes seen in every planet, and Earth, which will only get worse as I have been saying for years in these forums, all of this and more shows that the Hopi/Maya, and other prophesies are right.

Sorry but it is not just "coincidences".....way too many "coincidences"...

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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
all of this and more shows that the Hopi/Maya, and other prophesies are right.

I think you skipped past some pretty damning arguments & questions I had smuthering these 'prophecy' ideas...

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I think you skipped past some pretty damning arguments & questions I had smuthering these 'prophecy' ideas...

And i think you just want to ignore all the facts my friend. You did not even read the first excerpts and links I gave that show we are in very strange times indeed, and there are too many facts occurring that show prophecy is occurring.

Did i forget to mention that since 1840 the Earth's own magnetic field has been weakening, and it is now weaker than at any time in more than 400,000 years?



Those are way too many coincidences IIB.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Thats the foundation of it all. I just heard Rush repeat the phrase 'wipe them off the map' within the past 2 weeks.

Well sorry my friend but once agian just because there was a blunder in one word...it doesn't mean ALL the times the Iranian president has made threats against the west, and Israel are all untrue.....

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

According to the propaganda at the time, sure. But in hindsight most were fabrications or shoddy in other ways. In fact, please provide one totally absolutely proven example of an overthrown government / assassination that was communist before it occured.

Sorry but that is not propaganda....it is the truth.... Are you going to tell us that all, or even most Vietnamese people wanted Communism?.....

The propaganda are the claims that "" is all the fault of the U.S." which you seem to be repeating quite frequently....

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I'm not familiar with that history,....

Right, so you are familiar with the propaganda that "is al the fault of the United States" yet you are not aware of the push for the spread of Communism by Communist regimes like China?....

There were hundreds of thousands if not millions of Vietnamese who fought with the Americans... But I guess they loved Communism...

Most Vietnamese were Buddhists, and Communism is an atheist form of economic/government.... The two, religion and Communism, don't go hand in hand....since Communism seeks to destroy all forms of religion...

BTW, you do need to "prove" your claim of what you say the U.S. did....

The following comes form "wikipedia" a known leftist website..

Events resulting from the Vietnam War led many people in Cambodia, Laos, and especially Vietnam to become refugees in the late 1970s and 1980s, after the fall of Saigon. In Vietnam, the new communist government sent many people who supported the old government in the South to "re-education camps", and others to "new economic zones." An estimated 1 million people were imprisoned without formal charges or trials.[1] According to published academic studies in the United States and Europe, 165,000 people died in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam's re-education camps.[1] Thousands were abused or tortured.[1] These factors, coupled with poverty and the total destruction of the country that happened during the Vietnam war, caused hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese to flee the country. In 1979, Vietnam was at war (Sino-Vietnamese War) with the People's Republic of China (PRC). Many ethnic Chinese living in Vietnam, who felt that the government's policies directly targeted them, also became "boat people." On the open seas, the boat people had to confront forces of nature, and elude pirates.

en.wikipedia.org...

Who do you think brought Communism to Vietnam?.... Who do you think has been spreading Communism around the world?.... Not only China, but other Communist regimes also, and it has ALWAYS been by force....



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BTW...

With this understanding of democide, Table 1 lists all communist governments that have committed any form of democide and gives their estimated total domestic and foreign democide and its annual rate (the percent of a government's domestic population murdered per year). It also shows the total for communist guerrillas (including quasi-governments, as of the Mao soviets in China prior to the communist victory in 1949) and the world total for all governments and guerillas (including such quasi-governments as of the White Armies during the Russian civil war in 1917-1922). Figure 1 graphs the communist megamurderers and compares this to the communist and world totals.

Of course, eventhough systematically determined and calculated, all these figures and their graph are only rough approximations. Even were we to have total access to all communist archives we still would not be able to calculate precisely how many the communists murdered. Consider that even in spite of the archival statistics and detailed reports of survivors, the best experts still disagree by over 40 percent on the total number of Jews killed by the Nazis. We cannot expect near this accuracy for the victims of communism. We can, however, get a probable order of magnitude and a relative approximation of these deaths within a most likely range. And that is what the figures in Table 1 are meant to be. Their apparent precision is only due to the total for most communist governments being the summation of dozens of subtotals (as of forced labor deaths each year) and calculations (as in extrapolating scholarly estimates of executions or massacres).

With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.

Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1.

In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this centurys international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.

www.hawaii.edu...

That is not "propaganda"...and btw you are going to tell me that my three uncles who were sent by castro to spread Communism to Angola and other countries are lying?....

Sorry my friend, but it looks clear who has been believing the "propaganda"...

BTW, I also forgot to show this again.

SCIENCE WITHOUT BORDERS. Transactions of the International Academy of Science H & E.
Vol.3. 2007/2008, SWB, Innsbruck, 2008 ISBN 978-9952-451-01-6 ISSN 2070-0334
217
ABOUT POSSIBLE INFLUENCE OF SOLAR ACTIVITY UPON SEISMIC AND VOLCANIC ACTIVITIES: LONG-TERM FORECAST

*Khain V.E., **Khalilov E.N.
*Moscow State University named after M.V.Lomonosov,
**International Academy of Science H&E (Austria, Innsbruck)

It has been determined that in the period of solar activity increase (11-year
cycles) there increase seismic and volcanic activities in the compression zone of
Earth and at the same time there decreases the activity in the tension zones of Earth.
On the basis of the discovered stable 11-year and 22-year cyclicalities in the seismic and volcanic activities and their high correlation with solar activity there has been made the long-term forecast until 2018. The next maximum of seismic and volcanic activity with very high amplitude for the compression zones of Earth is forecasted for the period 2012-2015.

www.khalilov.biz...

BTW, if you want to know who Elchin Khalilov (Khalilov E.N.) is here are a few facts that anyone can corroborate...

Dr.Prof. Elchin Khalilov (Azerbaijani: Elçin Xəlilov (born On April, 26th 1959, Baku, Azerbaijan) is a famous scientist in the sphere of geodynamics, seismology and tectonics.

en.wikipedia.org...

In the thread i showed this info you can also find other peer-review research that show how changes in the Solar activity, more so during low periods of Solar activity, does cause earthquakes on Earth.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



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