Spiritual Awakening- a taste of what it's like

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


i am sorry i dont mean to offend you either you should know it if you mean to be trusted
but you said you dont like my language and 75% you dont get to read it, so what do you want me to say then, why are you meaning to make issues about what i say then
you dont like what i write in forms and substance since you clearly say how what you understand is not what you agree upon

so you are never meaning to give me any credit or consideration why should i keep that negative act towards me in me when it is of you and not from me to myself

that is why i say dont speak to another when you dont like him, dont worry that is how everything is better in all sense

reply to post by imans


This is also why I said you are fighting with a shadow created by your own ego.

I dont dislike you. At all.

I also dont care about "credit." I dont want to take any from you, nor deny you any you deserve. For me, spirituality isnt a matter of credit. What could any of us say that hasnt already been said a thousand times by a thousand people? And even the first person who said it, what credit could they take? Can anyone be given credit for reporting the truth? Or trying to? We as individuals dont make it so, we just happen to be lucky enough to have eyes to see it.

And besides, the truth as I saw it makes the idea of fighting another human for "credit" as silly as slapping myself on the face in outrage.

I didnt say I dont like 75% of what you say, I said I dont understand it. The words you choose, and the order you arrange them makes some of what you say unintelligible to me. When I do respond, it is because I think I have understood some portion of what you are saying, although I acknowledge usually in that response that I may not understand.

I wish that one of us spoke the others language better, because you have intriguing ideas, whether I agree with all of them or not.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Don't take it personally.
Many have come under the wraith of imans...

reply to post by godddd


Of course while we are here we need to learn from our experiences but when I had my moment of clarity it was as if nothing ever happened, nothing to learn from and nowhere to go. Nothing ever really happened. It was an extremely creepy feeling, as if everything and everyone was just a dream I dreamth up. Coming back into this reality was really lonely after experiencing that sense of oneness/nothingness or whatever you would like to call it.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


you just said dont understand how then do you know anything abotu my ego which is the whole self living source

it doesnt matter what you say about it, i explained it before when it is about me how i mean to myself true rights

you are obviously only an ego that convince himsef of efforts to realize for accepting something else being existing, it is your story not mine

you cannot pretend what the other expressions source are, as if it cant be himself objective reality and him as a living true one
as if there is only your god as source of what appear being

look i dont care about what you say but i care a lot about me, it is my freedom there i do what i like to do and what i want to do not what i am forced to do especially when i can in free words expressions meaning any other expression to reply to

learn to speak with who are like you and you wont see any ego being an issue, so you keep your negative wills on others to yourself kind, that is your way if you were honest on being better one

reply to post by Boypony


Its true but the Buddha said that their are many paths to enlightenment. The amount of paths are as big as every single experience one has. So that means every experience is different. It would be nice to just visit a monastery and just meditate for a few years. I know I could do that. I have given up my life many times. The only reason why I come back is because "The party is over". I wish to train for good myself. I just use torrents and look at web pages. Occasionally Ill buy a book or two and I buy lots of incense. I was invited to join Kopan Monastery outside course dates. They said I was welcome and it would cost a dime. The truth of the matter is the reason why we don't charge for these types of services and keep them sacred is because our ancestors knew this was something that eventually everyone would need. So to me its understandable to pay for a meditational getaway but to learn from a monastery for the rest of your life should not cost anything but there should always be a medium for donations otherwise the teachings cannot move off the continent because traveling does cost money.

Originally posted by PositivelyDetermined
reply to post by Boypony

 

Its true but the Buddha said that their are many paths to enlightenment. The amount of paths are as big as every single experience one has. So that means every experience is different. It would be nice to just visit a monastery and just meditate for a few years. I know I could do that. I have given up my life many times. The only reason why I come back is because "The party is over". I wish to train for good myself. I just use torrents and look at web pages. Occasionally Ill buy a book or two and I buy lots of incense. I was invited to join Kopan Monastery outside course dates. They said I was welcome and it would cost a dime. The truth of the matter is the reason why we don't charge for these types of services and keep them sacred is because our ancestors knew this was something that eventually everyone would need. So to me its understandable to pay for a meditational getaway but to learn from a monastery for the rest of your life should not cost anything but there should always be a medium for donations otherwise the teachings cannot move off the continent because traveling does cost money.

All paths, no matter how benevolent or malicious are perfectly acceptable and beautiful.

Love and Light be with you in these incredible times that many of you have chosen to take part in even if you do not remember...yet.

reply to post by jmarmoro1


Mabey you dont accept yet the brilliance of the fact that you are a creator....and you feel that this is just something you are just a stand in of...instead of really being int eh pilot seat of.

You can 'just be'....or you can....create where you want your soul/spirit complex to go from here...and what print you want to leave behind here....you are the canvas...you are the artists. The nature of your heart, the nature of your thoughts, the nature of your deepest being...is creating something...beyond here.

Yeah I've had several peak experiences throughout my life. It's temporary insanity is all. Anyone who thinks they're the universe and will live forever, or they are all that exists is insane. Been there, done that. It leads to ignorance, and arrogance. No thank you. There's enough problems on this here rock, to be bathing in the bliss of ignorance. Too much work to be done.

Enjoy naivety while it lasts, kid.

reply to post by LeoVirgo


I am coming into a better accepting of it now and as the time goes by i am becoming more aware just how my thoughts and feelings do the creating around me. At the time i experienced that oneness it took me off guard, to really grasp that nothing ever happened was mind blowing and coming back to this mundane reality seemed creepy. Everyone just carrying on not having the slightest idea there dreaming and completely bound, but then there not really there at all to begin with... lol its still creepy just thinkin about it. lol i guess i have some work to do

reply to post by jmarmoro1


Yeah...the unattachment you guys are describing is pure apathy. You guys are seriously sick. If I had to guess, there's various pathogens which have compromised your ability to reason. I think there's going to be much more of these people walking around in the near future. It's just a sad, sad story.

All right, let's reason this out. If God is all that exists, then there is no you or me. Everyone you see isn't really there, and your ability to see is just an illusion as well! All separation is illusion, and nothing even matters.

Don't you see where this gets us? It's paradox after paradox. It's pure madness. NONE OF IT makes the least bit of sense. How can this be? Because it's based on FALSE PREMISE.

It's what happens when people lose their minds and give into false programming. Obviously, you are here. Obviously, so is everyone else. We're all made of the same stuff, but that doesn't mean we're all one being.

People say things like we're just consciousness experiencing itself for the sake of having the experience. They say we're part of infinity. That doesn't make the least bit of sense. If we are infinity, why and even how could we possibly begin to experience something novel? We would know every possible outcome all at once, constantly experiencing it. This means, existence in itself would be meaningless. There would be no point. IT MAKES NO SENSE!

The universe in NOT infinite. It's just unfathomably large. We all root from the same source, but we're not all one being.

What this philosophy is, is a mass or rationalizations to cope with the fact that you're experiencing sickness. You guys can't handle that you are no longer able to fit in with people, and so feel the need to say retarded things like "they aren't even there" and such irrationalities. You guys can't fit in because there is literally a sickness within you which prevents you from being a functional member of society.

I've been there.

Done that.

You think you're so enlightened, when really it's pure ignorance.


[edit on 18-5-2010 by unityemissions]

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by jmarmoro1

 

Yeah...the unattachment you guys are describing is pure apathy. You guys are seriously sick. If I had to guess, there's various pathogens which have compromised your ability to reason. I think there's going to be much more of these people walking around in the near future. It's just a sad, sad story.

All right, let's reason this out. If God is all that exists, then there is no you or me. Everyone you see isn't really there, and your ability to see is just an illusion as well! All separation is illusion, and nothing even matters.

Don't you see where this gets us? It's paradox after paradox. It's pure madness. NONE OF IT makes the least bit of sense. How can this be? Because it's based on FALSE PREMISE.

It's what happens when people lose their minds and give into false programming. Obviously, you are here. Obviously, so is everyone else. We're all made of the same stuff, but that doesn't mean we're all one being.

People say things like we're just consciousness experiencing itself for the sake of having the experience. They say we're part of infinity. That doesn't make the least bit of sense. If we are infinity, why and even how could we possibly begin to experience something novel? We would know every possible outcome all at once, constantly experiencing it. This means, existence in itself would be meaningless. There would be no point. IT MAKES NO SENSE!

The universe in NOT infinite. It's just unfathomably large. We all root from the same source, but we're not all one being.

What this philosophy is, is a mass or rationalizations to cope with the fact that you're experiencing sickness. You guys can't handle that you are no longer able to fit in with people, and so feel the need to say retarded things like "they aren't even there" and such irrationalities. You guys can't fit in because there is literally a sickness within you which prevents you from being a functional member of society.

I've been there.

Done that.

You think you're so enlightened, when really it's pure ignorance.


[edit on 18-5-2010 by unityemissions]

they are negative in all sense of that mean, and negative dont mean being in powers and have to give them anything, for what nothing can be if we are not all that is a lie, the only justification of what they expect is god evil rules denying any positive existence being real
and this what i guess would change

when one is negative he must sit down and sleep if he wants, whatever then happen infront of him he must not move before being positive about something and limit itself to that
it is not that difficult, they are not going to suffer for sleeping noone is forcing them to speak or to do anything, and if they mean something then they should be clear about what they want and beg for it then

Originally posted by unityemissions
h...the unattachment you guys are describing is pure apathy. You guys are seriously sick.

You may be right that we may be seriously sick. After all, if we were delusional, of course we would not know it. But then that goes for you as well. What we are describing is not pure apathy though. The problem is that the experience we are talking about, that feeling of what I call "unconditional acceptance," some call it "remaining with what is," and last night I heard another very good term "trust," is not a common enough feeling in our society that we have a better word for it that we can all relate to. If you have had the feeling, you pick the words or concepts you know that are closest to it, and use that, hoping it will work. It often doesnt. Apathy I have felt in my life, and apathy is not what we are describing, at all.

Mystic philosophers of the past have discussed the language problem in great detail, and many have come to the conclusion that the most accurate description you can make of these states, of what "GOD" or the "ALL that IS" is, is by saying what it is not. Its called "via negativa." Many of us here know we are not really able to say what it "Is" precisely, but we are trying anyway.

Originally posted by unityemissions
All right, let's reason this out. If God is all that exists, then there is no you or me.

No. Even in Aristotelian logic your statement is not true. if I make a set of parenthesis represent the boundary of "God" we can still both "be" inside that set. ( you me ) Kind of like a you are a single person, with untold millions of little cells and bacteria, etc., making up that One.

However it is more true to discard Aristotelian logic if we want to get closer to the objective truth of what the "All that Is" is from a mystic perspective or experience. Aristotelian logic is of the form "either/or." Something is either this or that. The form of logic that would be closer to the experience would have to be that some is "Both this and that and neither this and that." Perhaps a word would be potentiality? Undifferentiated state? Even those words are not accurate. Our minds dont work using that logic, and so they have trouble finding words or terms to approximate it.

Mind you I am not trying to convince you. I am just saying that some of your arguments against us are not accurate.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by jmarmoro1

 

Yeah...the unattachment you guys are describing is pure apathy. You guys are seriously sick. If I had to guess, there's various pathogens which have compromised your ability to reason. I think there's going to be much more of these people walking around in the near future. It's just a sad, sad story.

All right, let's reason this out. If God is all that exists, then there is no you or me. Everyone you see isn't really there, and your ability to see is just an illusion as well! All separation is illusion, and nothing even matters.

Don't you see where this gets us? It's paradox after paradox. It's pure madness. NONE OF IT makes the least bit of sense. How can this be? Because it's based on FALSE PREMISE.

It's what happens when people lose their minds and give into false programming. Obviously, you are here. Obviously, so is everyone else. We're all made of the same stuff, but that doesn't mean we're all one being.

People say things like we're just consciousness experiencing itself for the sake of having the experience. They say we're part of infinity. That doesn't make the least bit of sense. If we are infinity, why and even how could we possibly begin to experience something novel? We would know every possible outcome all at once, constantly experiencing it. This means, existence in itself would be meaningless. There would be no point. IT MAKES NO SENSE!

The universe in NOT infinite. It's just unfathomably large. We all root from the same source, but we're not all one being.

What this philosophy is, is a mass or rationalizations to cope with the fact that you're experiencing sickness. You guys can't handle that you are no longer able to fit in with people, and so feel the need to say retarded things like "they aren't even there" and such irrationalities. You guys can't fit in because there is literally a sickness within you which prevents you from being a functional member of society.

I've been there.

Done that.

You think you're so enlightened, when really it's pure ignorance.


[edit on 18-5-2010 by unityemissions]

LMAO you been there done that huh?... O hes cool. Listen up brother I speak from experience not abstractly from some philosophy. I was knee deep at the time in clubs, women, and getting money. No social awkwardness or apathy, i was doing my thing everyday without avail and the furthest thing from my mind was escaping reality. This experience im speaking of found me because i sure as hell wasnt lookin for it. Beyond concepts and understanding, the experience was beyond anything you can 'imagine' it to be. So please dont sit here and type full length articles dismissing what you havent the slightest clue of. You never been there and you never done that so take that self righteous additude, pride and ego and go youtube papaji.

reply to post by jmarmoro1


this is not anyones reality, clubs money and women, it is your sect past life so easy to bring you to oness then

reply to post by jmarmoro1


Funny how people find "God" after they're SOL. Hmm...I wonder why? I'll leave that up to you to figure out.

As for telling me what I have and haven't experienced. It's an illogical stance. See, you reason that since YOU were so affected by this experience, and are still riding this high, anyone else who has felt something similar must still be in this state and forever changed. That's retarded. I'm not sure how long you'll be able to ride this madness out, but I'm pretty sure it will end one day, and you'll realize just how foolish you really were.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

This is beauty

What can be told must be known, and to really know something it must be static like a teacup for expample or something mechanical technical which we can learn and further develop.
What can be named is what we already know and have an idea of, but the idea turns into a concept which is expressed in words and taught by others.
Tao is the way or, the flowing river, movement and movement cannot be known, movement is life and life is change.

So what we are discussing are also concepts, like truth or god, or enlightenment and so on.
We discuss our experience, the experience we had, and that has left a mark in our brain which is a memory that we can recall.
But our memory is the knowledge we have, our thought are based on that knowledge which we just repeat.
If we had no memory would we think?




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[edit on 18-5-2010 by godddd]

reply to post by unityemissions


The problem with trying to use the logic you are using to determine which is the objectively "truer" or "less mad" state is..........that either way you go, you run into subjectivity.

You are saying that the "peak experience" or "enlightened" state of consciousness is a form of madness, delusion, hallucination, whatever. And that you yourself experienced it, but then "returned to your senses." Therefore, you conclude, the brief experience you had must have been the state of madness, and the more lengthy experience you have been having must be sanity.

But think about it, what if you have it backwards? What if you have been insane most of your life, had one brief moment of lucidity, of sanity, and then after awhile, descended back into madness? That is logically also a possibility.

You might then argue that "well the majority of people experience the world as I do, thus, since I am in the majority, I must be the sane one."

However, that is also a logical fallacy. Majorities only rule democracies. They dont have any bearing on "truth." If the majority of the population thinks the world is flat, it does not make it flat. If the majority of the population was deluded, it would make it the "norm" or "normal" to be deluded, but it would not make the delusion "truth."

Again, I am not trying to convince you either way, just showing that logic is not the way out of the dilemma.

Too bad the thread has resorted to a debate.

When you lower your self to debate, you are fully and firmly planted in duality.

Acceptance of the oneness of all is where it's at. This is what the Dalai Lama, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, etc have been attempting to implant in the collective consciousness.

I like the guy here say that awakening is delusional! This is great!

Gotta love you all... cuz you are me. Now that's delusional

Originally posted by unityemissions
As for telling me what I have and haven't experienced.

It's an illogical stance. See, you reason that since YOU were so affected by this experience, and are still riding this high, anyone else who has felt something similar must still be in this state and forever changed. That's retarded. I'm not sure how long you'll be able to ride this madness out, but I'm pretty sure it will end one day, and you'll realize just how foolish you really were.

Its retarded to experience something and be forever changed? Lucid dreaming wasn't even recognized by the scientific community until the 1970's, Yet it was talked about for centuries. People that heard lucid dreaming and never experienced it thought it was hogwash, delusional, insane. Even now I have a friend that has never lucid dreamed and he doesn't believe it.

If you have ever had a lucid dream - you do not think you are crazy.- They are that powerful.

But its just an experience right? its ludicrous to think it's real. The scientific community thought people were delusional. Until further testing to prove people were experiencing something during REM sleep that they had control over.

Why was it that people that had lucid dreams were forever changed, in terms that they could "live" while asleep? Why didn't they just say, bah - "that was probably something I ate, and it wasn't real at all". Because its that powerful.