Another seriously undeniable flaw in the 'official' 9/11 story.

9-11= unfortunately a few americans either complicit, or orchestrated the strike was going to happen.

What would be epic, partially, was if wikileaks was to get a hold of the pentagon tape. Unedited, undoctored.

Originally posted by benoni

Ever heard of Afghanistan or the Middle East???

Yeah, they've gone really well.

well.. this 'flaw' isn't new actually it's been going around, and around.... and around for nearly a decade now, and it still goes unnoticed.. old news to me and to the victims of 9/11

convientanly swept under the rug of MSM

and as I've been saying for the last 9 yr's .. where was the National Guard alll.. .this time.. TOTALLY NOT even around to be seen .. road blocks not set up to potentioally capture those at fault .. harbor wide open to let traffice in and out..ect..

the list .. goes on and on ..

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Alfie Alfie Alfie - you (and it appears many others) have a very narrow view of events and like to look at things in a vaccuum, taking each individual piece and taking pleasure in picking each apart. I'm new here and having spent only a few days on this site, it has become painfully obvious that very few people on this site understand how the government works. You, for instance, have placed a link up to a document that has been altered to fit what the government wants you to see (it was posted in 2003). I can tell you from first hand experience that this NRO exercise was - at the time - considered important and was being monitored by NORAD. It had nothing to do with engine failure, but a pilot error crash in low visibility into NRO HQ in Virginia. This is just ONE of the exercises which I realized after the fact provided cover for this attack to take place.
On a side note - being new, I have to tell all of you "it ain't true unless you provide a link" people are going to spend your lives being very disappointed, because you will NEVER find the truth about ANY true conspriacy on ANY official link (JFK's been in a box for close to 47 years, and there still is nothing on any official website about the truth of his death). The MSM isn't going to cover these things because real investigative journalism is dead. The ONLY place you will find any information on ANY supposed conspiracy that is substantive will be on forums such as this. Having spent the bulk of the last 25 years on the other side, I can tell you that it is common (and easy) for the government to "update" or redact web pages in order to fit their stories. Its not hard to rewrite history, because very few people care - as long as they're able to get a pizza delivered in time to watch American Idol. I have offered my 2 cents - take it for what its worth. Good bye

Originally posted by harrytuttle

Originally posted by hooper
Please note that 9/11 was not an accident. The NTSB studies ACCIDENTS to determine cause and suggest corrective action to governing agencies.

How would NTSB know the Pentagon hit wasn't an accident unless the NTSB investigated it?

Your statement, just like the 9/11 Commission, is what is known as a "foregone conclusion".

[edit on 20-4-2010 by harrytuttle]

Flight 77 didn't just come out of the blue and hit the Pentagon. Before it hit the ground we knew it had been hijacked, we knew that two other hijacked planes that morning had struck the towers in NYC. When the hijacked Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, deducing that the strike was purposeful was not a "forgone conclusion" but an expression of simple observation, deduction and logic.

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You've been on the "other side"?? Were you a secret agent??

You must have some amazing insights into how all these conspiracies work.

reply to post by TopsyTurvyFuture

This is just ONE of the exercises which I realized after the fact provided cover for this attack to take place.

Again, exactly how does having some people in an office miles away practising how to exit their building in a fire drill provide "cover" for a plane crashing into the Pentagon?


Do you think it was done so no one would notice the big fire and explosion over at the Pentagon? What do you mean by cover?

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by benoni

Ever heard of Afghanistan or the Middle East???

Yeah, they've gone really well.

As Dubya said once, We came, we saw, we kicked its A--!!, no wait
that was ghostbusters

Anywho

You may have won the War but you lost the Plot, no wait that's not right

You lost the Battle but you won their hearts and Mind, no wait that's not right either.

Doesn't matter 'cause, It ain't over until the fat...., second thoughts it may never be over.
The good 'ol boys in their Red,White & Blue are gonna be there for at least another 10 years yet.
And add another 10 years if Jethro Bush ever gets into Office.

reply to post by projectnsearch

The best evidence for what happened on 911 is from Dimitri Khalezov. It's the only thing I have every heard that fits all the evidence.

Dimitri says the US had no choice but to push the red button because they were told that a nuclear bomb was in the planes or hidden in the towers and that they were trying to save lives by activating the destruct sequence. Dimitri also says a stolen Russian cruise missile hit the pentagon which also makes sense because I always felt that it was a missile because there is no way a passenger jet could hit the Pentagon so precisely flying just feet above the lawn but a Russian anti ship cruise missile certainly could have done it easily. Dimitri says the Granite missile had a nuclear warhead but it did not go off of course. He also said that all the Granite missiles from the Kursk were stolen before the Russians could salvage it and this was hidden because it would cause panic with over 20 nuclear warheads missing!

OK, I do not in any way believe the official story and I'm quite positive that there was at the very least government collusion involved in the events of 9/11, but this guy Dimitri's allegations are ludricious and I couldn't resist repsonding.

First, he implies that the buildings were taken down with low yeild nuclear implosions. That makes no sense because even though I'm not a demolition expert I find it hard to believe that a single nuclear device could cause the tower to implode inward upon itself and fully collapse into the basement.

Second, when were these nuclear devices supposedly placed?

Third, even if the U.S. covered up the use of a nuclear device, Russia, China and a host of other countries would have detected a detonation.

Fourth, radioactivity in the aftermath of any such detonation would surely be measurable and impossible to deny, as the half life of Tritium is hundreds, if not thousands of years. If it were 55 times normal levels on 9/11 as he claimed, it would still be 55 times the normal level today.

Fifth, the claim that the EMP from the nuclear implosions is what caused cars blocks away to be melted is insane! EMP stands for an Electomagnetic Pulse, which would fry electric and electronic components, but not cause metal to burn or melt.

Sixth, if it were the heat energy generated from a nuclear implosion that caused cars to melt, everything else in the vicinity would have melted as well.

Seventh, the allegation that we felt we had to detonate 3 muclear devices, because we had no choice makes no sense. If there was nuclear devices on any of the airplanes why even bother to fly them into the buildings, and if there were nukes in the buildings why bother with the airplanes at all.

Eigth, if nukes on the Kursk were stolen before the Russians could recover them, that information would have surfaced. If the russians felt we took them, do you really believe that it would not have caused an international incident? And if they believed that a rogue nation or group took them, would it not have caused an all out manhunt?

Nope, I don't believe any of this guys claims!



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All that's missing is Bruce Willis and people will go and see it.

There are some people that just can't tell the difference between reality and a hollywood script. Some of these theories are so far out into left field it's out of the ball park. But the really great thing about Conspiracy Theories is you don't have to prove a single thing. And due to the Nature of Conspiracies, the less proof there is, the better it is for Conspiracy Theories.

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Good article...very interesting. Aside from the twin towers what really gets me is the Pentagon. I work in security and I find that for me one of the biggest elephant's in the room would have to be the "time delayed CCTV footage" from the gard post that they released. Sure doesnt look like a plane to me......but hey what the hell do I know. lol

Originally posted by benoni
Did I just read here that Amerika had nothing to gain by plotting the whole 9/11 thing??

Are you serious??

Ever heard of Afghanistan or the Middle East???


Jeez....

Cuddly toys and passports (asbestos coated??!!) found intact....??

Yeah...right!

Yes, you did. Fact is we were going there anyways. 9/11 was not needed. Afghanistan is about drugs, not terror as well as having a forward operating base when Pakistan finally loses all control. Just like Iraq. Look at a map. it is all strategic. We have surrounded Iran with going into Iraq and also housing troops in Afghanistan as well as a few other 'stans in the region. It also gives a clear shot for Israeli war planes to hit just about any country in the region they want. Our government did NOT need 9/11 to go to war. Were you guys old enough to remember the sanctions already in place against Iraq in 01?

If you want a history lesson on why 9/11 happened, look into the assassination of Anwar Sadat. Before the overthrow of Iran they were friends as well as trying to work with the Israelis. for this he was killed by none other than one who would go on to 'create' Al Qaeda. They were responsible for the 93 attacks as well. Look up Ayman al-Zawahiri, Omar Abdel-Rahman and Abd al-Hamid Kishk.

You folks need to get off prison planet and seriously pick up a book.

reply to post by galloways


No, more like attempting to make sure people are educated and there is no a group mentality. think as an individual and you will get more accomplished. Most people post on here to get starts and flags and feel good when 100 other 9/11 conspiracy people all agree but there is one thing that has not changed in the 8 years since 9/11. NO NEW EVIDENCE.

It is a rehash of the same garbage. Once in awhile someone finds some dust but as soon as it is popular it is gone. I think some of you may want to check this thread and add you two cents since he is such a major player.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

My conspiracy thought is that the entire Truth movement, etc, which harps so hard on the WTC, is trying to divert attention away from the fact we shot down 93. that is called a disinfo campaign and is as clear as day. You see, I am not a true OS believer but I feel we were attacked that day and the US did have prior knowledge but it was not confirmed. It is all in the The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States report.

reply to post by esdad71

Fact is we were going there anyways. 9/11 was not needed.

What I have said, since 'Day 1'.

Our government did NOT need 9/11 to go to war.

Again, how true!

History will show that the U.S. Adminstration, that was in charge under President George W, Bush, had a pre-conceived impetus to invade the Middle East. They needed no pretext. They had already 'manufactured' quite a few, and "9/11" was NOT in their plans, it fell into their laps.

Were you guys old enough to remember the sanctions already in place against Iraq in 01?

I fear that these details in history have been excluded, in favor of the latest "conspriacy-du-jour" that will encompass the short-term memory of most....

You folks need to get off prison planet and seriously pick up a book.

Well said!

My sentiments, exactly.




[edit on 20 April 2010 by weedwhacker]

The above is the most ridiculous and naive thing I have read on this thread...

Good God Sir....your a pilot and you believe this drivel????

Prison planet ? Whats that...?? Never heard of it....just as you deny the real reasons for your repeated invasions of Sovereign States....

Shame on you....

reply to post by benoni

...just as you deny the real reasons for your repeated invasions of Sovereign States....

And, herein lies the difficulty.

It is rampant, and endemic.

The ATS poster, responded to in this post, somehow conflates MY happenstance, of being born a U.S. citizen to somehow make ME (personally) responsible for all of the ills perpetrated (whether real, or imagined) by the Government of the "nation-state' that i happened to be born into.

I should add....by NO CHOICE of my own.

And.....!BOOM! goes the dynamite, yet again.

This is an ongoing "seriously undeniable flaw", as per the OP, in the 'stories' that are constantly suggested by the 9/11 "Official Deniers".

It is becoming, at this late stage, a bit comical. So many years on, and STILL nothing of substance?

reply to post by -Blackout-

Actually the NTSB did investigate. Their investigation was under the control of the FBI.
The FBI instructed the NTSB to release all of their information they had accumulated in their investigation to the 9/11 commission.


www.scribd.com...

So , weedwhacker and Esdad, if they did not need impetus for the events, why wait?

Ahh of course it was just a coincidence that brought upon the attacks and the almost immediate invasion of afghanistan, and then Iraq which were all fed to the public as being necessary because of 9/11 .

Nope, no impetus at all.