fast ufos in the sky over Niagra falls Canada April 13th, 2010

Some bats can fly at an altitude of 10,000 feet and can be very erratic in their flight patterns. I would definitely go with the bat theory.

the montana film and utah film i have recently posted a page or 2 back shows what the op has posted almost identical

shot by an amateur in the 1950s 1950 to be exact experts military claims it not a Bird , plane , or balloon , or meteor ! shot 3 years after Roswell

there were also called Foo Fighters by American Pilots of Word War 2
German Pilots of World War 2 seen them also

many pilots saw them as balls of light ! Fireballs

tell you what, take a night vision Video cam if you have one use it the day light and watch the sky's!

and see if you can spot one !

a blog of someone that thought the same thing until he tried it himself !
his blog here ufomedia.blogspot.com...

check my last post on this thread

it is also shown on the Documentary called Ufo greatest story ever denied

another a you tuber named Prophet Ezikel his channel below
www.youtube.com...



[edit on 19-4-2010 by Wolfenz]

S+F

awesome footage,ufo's in my eyes.

there is no way a bat can fly that fast and the object moves nothing like a bat.
can't ppl just accept that mabye there are ufo's out there?

also why would there be three lone bats cruising around at that altitude looking for insects?

almost all the bat footage i see has large groups of bats. why would these 3 be trying to find insects up in the freakin stratosphere??

i think you guys need better alternative theories than bats.

[edit on 19-4-2010 by drifta84]

Originally posted by Ptenjakin
Hey guys, this is my first post here..

I just wanted to throw in my two cents on why I believe the object is NOT a bat.

First of all, if you look at the first portion with the birds as comparison, you can clearly see the wings and body and etc.

The vid using two scenarios with no controlled tests is redundant.

Control in regards to and not limited too;

Height, are the subjects being filmed at similar heights.

Weather, are weather conditions similar as this can affect how bright IR can be.

Are they the same camera videotaping the subjects?

So saying comparison is incorrect. Besides.. might as well show planes, insects or even trash flying around.. its only one of many possible comparisons that have been left out. Which this video thinks its being scientific by showing one comparison and then coming to a conclusion of UFO when it could have and should have done more research.

Which others in this post are taking up the slack to discern what it is.

Originally posted by drifta84
S+F

awesome footage,ufo's in my eyes.

there is no way a bat can fly that fast and the object moves nothing like a bat.
can't ppl just accept that mabye there are ufo's out there?

also why would there be three lone bats cruising around at that altitude looking for insects?

almost all the bat footage i see has large groups of bats. why would these 3 be trying to find insects up in the freakin stratosphere??

i think you guys need better alternative theories than bats.

[edit on 19-4-2010 by drifta84]

Just because I don't believe this to be a UFO, does not mean I don't believe in them. Where did you come to that conclusion that I or others do not believe UFO's exist if we do not believe this to be one?

As for how many bats are expected to fly in groups.. what makes you believe they only fly in mass? I've seen a single bat fly around and I've seen 3 to 4 where I live.

Its ok.. your grasping to believe and feel your part of something bigger thinking this can get you closer to what you believe to be absolute without any real tangible research. Well good on you and hope it brings you closer to your answers and beliefs.

[edit on 19-4-2010 by Willbert]

I've seen objects like those in the vid myself.

Not saying what is in the OP is "genuine" or not, just saying I've seen those kind of rapid "dots" up in the nightsky.
Real high up, moving fast and in strange patterns.

And no, what I saw was not satellites (beacuse I saw those too and they were totally different).

Just wanted to add this post to say that the video in the OP does have strong similarities of the "objects" I've seen myself and they were not looking like any sort of "human" technology I have ever seen or read about.

And if the objects in the OP vid is the same type like the ones I've seen, I don't think you can get jet-fighters up to check them at that altitude (like someone in here suggested).

I note that if you visit the youtube link, that the video supplier says things like:

"Another dumb ass who doesent [sic] take 5 seconds to read the comments"
"No stupid bast [sic], these are thousands of feet up"
(strangely, he doesn't elaborate on his amazing ability to measure the height)
"I've seen them in -25 degree weather for the 500th ----ing time."
"ALL STUPID ASS BIRD COMMENTS WILL BE DELETED"
"NO BIRDS ARE INVISIBLE AND CAN MAKE THESE MANEUVERS AND HOVER."
"I have no time for idiots"

Yes, that's the sort of language a credible, serious researcher uses...

I'm sick to death of idiotic and pointless videos like this one - that purely and simply demonstrates that things look weird in night vision.... Well, gee who woulda thort?

I mean seriously, what is the point of this garbage? Without some really serious gear, including perhaps some radar/laser ranging, there is no way to accurately identify or eliminate quite a few possibilities (the most likely being bats, as identified by many here).

His assertions about their height are simply laughable, and he ticks almost all the boxes for poorly collected 'evidence'. I would elaborate, but frankly I've wasted enough time just looking at that awful video (in the near future I'll be posting a full list of the do's and don'ts of imaging ufo's..).

Originally posted by Ptenjakin
Hey guys, this is my first post here..

I just wanted to throw in my two cents on why I believe the object is NOT a bat.

First of all, if you look at the first portion with the birds as comparison, you can clearly see the wings and body and etc.

Also, observing the same segment, you can see the stars in the sky clearly.

Moving onto the second portion of the video, these dots do not have any sign of having wings or any shape of a bat. We can conclude the zoom is relatively the same by the size of the orbs in the sky in both sections of the video. We can also probably assume that bats would probably not fly up that high (or high enough to make them dot-sized) to hunt.

A star will look the same way (just a dot) no matter the zoom. Stars are not planets -- zooming in on them with a relatively low-powered telescope would not make them bigger orbs. THEREFORE, we can't know that the zooms were the same.

Secondly, the birds may have looked different because they may have been flying lower. For example, the birds may have been less than 100 feet up, while the other the object I think may be bats could be flying at 500 feet or more.

[edit on 4/19/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by Willbert

Originally posted by drifta84
S+F

awesome footage,ufo's in my eyes.

there is no way a bat can fly that fast and the object moves nothing like a bat.
can't ppl just accept that mabye there are ufo's out there?

also why would there be three lone bats cruising around at that altitude looking for insects?

almost all the bat footage i see has large groups of bats. why would these 3 be trying to find insects up in the freakin stratosphere??

i think you guys need better alternative theories than bats.

[edit on 19-4-2010 by drifta84]

Just because I don't believe this to be a UFO, does not mean I don't believe in them. Where did you come to that conclusion that I or others do not believe UFO's exist if we do not believe this to be one?

As for how many bats are expected to fly in groups.. what makes you believe they only fly in mass? I've seen a single bat fly around and I've seen 3 to 4 where I live.

Its ok.. your grasping to believe and feel your part of something bigger thinking this can get you closer to what you believe to be absolute without any real tangible research. Well good on you and hope it brings you closer to your answers and beliefs.

[edit on 19-4-2010 by Willbert]

i came to no conclusion, i never stated that if u don't believe this to be a UFO then you can't believe any other footage. i am just putting it out there because of # posts declaring it's bird's or bats.

so you have seen single bats or small numbers of bats flying this high??and this speed. a bat cannot accelerate like that.prove it. then i will consider the bat theory.

grasping to believe i'm part of something bigger?? such as? where is your tangible evidence this is a bat? there is no tangible evidence for sighting a UFO unless they stop by to let me get some pic's, its all speculation.

Originally posted by McGinty
reply to post by blaws572

 

I saw the exact same phenomena high above the outskirts of London, back in about '92. I can confirm that the object was very very high, since i ran around to check it's position relative to the stars around it -- that relative position barely altered, meaning it was very high indeed, thus moving great distances at incredible speed, and making unbelievable changes in direction.

Great work.

I'm sure you truly feel that the object you saw was flying high, but how exactly did you discern the altitude by "checking its position relative to the stars around it?" A high-flying object traveling at high speeds would look the same as a relatively low-flying object traveling at relatively slower speeds.

There is no method for doing this using just our eyes.


[edit on 4/19/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by drifta84
...so you have seen single bats or small numbers of bats flying this high??and this speed. a bat cannot accelerate like that.prove it. then i will consider the bat theory....

What do you mean by "this high??and this speed". What heights and what speeds are YOU talking about?

I'm saying it could be a bat flying a few hundred feet off the ground (say 500 feet, perhaps higher) moving at the speed that a bat normally moves.

I'm curious to know what speed and altitude you calculated the object to be moving, and how you came up with those numbers.

[edit on 4/19/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Stars are not planets -- zooming in on them with a relatively low-powered telescope would not make them bigger orbs.

It's all in the details, Soylent. What is "low-powered" to you? A decent optical zoom will most definitely magnify the image and produce a "bigger orb". Ever seen some venus UFO vids where they zoom in? Sheesh.

Originally posted by jclmavg

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Stars are not planets -- zooming in on them with a relatively low-powered telescope would not make them bigger orbs.

It's all in the details, Soylent. What is "low-powered" to you? A decent optical zoom will most definitely magnify the image and produce a "bigger orb". Ever seen some venus UFO vids where they zoom in? Sheesh.

That's Venus, which is a planet and not a star. A star looks like a pinpoint even from very good backyard telescopes...

...plus I'm talking "in-focus" videos here (such as the one in the OP). In those Venus videos you are talking about, much of the "orb" effect was caused by being out-of-focus -- along the fact that Venus is a planet whose size can be seen through a telescope (although, an out-of-focus star would look like a bigger orb, also).

[edit on 4/19/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
There is no method for doing this using just our eyes.

So how did you determine the objects seen are bats if you can't correlate speeds and altitude by eye (which I would agree with)? It is interesting that this critique by skeptics is applied only against the suggestion that they may be objects at high altitude.

Do different standards of evidence apply to bat theorists?

Originally posted by jclmavg

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
There is no method for doing this using just our eyes.

So how did you determine the objects seen are bats if you can't correlate speeds and altitude by eye (which I would agree with)? It is interesting that this critique by skeptics is applied only against the suggestion that they may be objects at high altitude.

Do different standards of evidence apply to bat theorists?

I never said they were bats. I said they could be bats.

EDIT TO ADD:
Unlike the people who are saying "OMG! Those can't possible be bats! It must be a high-flying craft!", I never said it could NOT be anything else (even a high-flying craft). I'm just trying to say that it could easily be bats.

[edit on 4/19/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by McGinty
reply to post by blaws572

 

I saw the exact same phenomena high above the outskirts of London, back in about '92. I can confirm that the object was very very high, since i ran around to check it's position relative to the stars around it -- that relative position barely altered, meaning it was very high indeed, thus moving great distances at incredible speed, and making unbelievable changes in direction.

Great work.

I'm sure you truly feel that the object you saw was flying high, but how exactly did you discern the altitude by "checking its position relative to the stars around it?" A high-flying object traveling at high speeds would look the same as a relatively low-flying object traveling at relatively slower speeds.

There is no method for doing this using just our eyes.


[edit on 4/19/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

You can tell that it's not low - several hundred feet - by moving and seeing how much the distance of the object to the stars around it changes.

I suspected at first that it could be a firefly of some kind due to its strange movement. But there was no discernible change in the distance between it and the stars around, meaning IMHO that it was very high - at least a couple thousand feet, but it seemed much higher than that.

It was no bat etc. I saw it with the naked eye - it was as point of light, no different to the stars that it whizzed by, making sudden right-angled turns, sometimes stopping for periods, then whizzing off again.

Two other people saw it with me, confirming that it was high and that they had no ***** idea what it was.

EDIT TO ADD: To clarify - this object was at least a thousand feet up, and nothing that appeared as a point of light to the naked eye at that altitude could've moved like that - it was incredibly fast; the acceleration from standing was an almost vertical graph.

[edit on 19-4-2010 by McGinty]

There are three categories that these could fall into: 1)Natural 2)Artificial 3)Supernatural. The erratic flight patterns suggest they are not artificial., therefore they are either natural or supernatural. People who do not believe in the supernatural are thinking in terms of birds and bats, erm, naturally.

reply to post by jclmavg


I already explained that..

You can get the average size of a bat, and then calculate the altitude it would have to be to appear the same size as in the OP's video, and relative to the size of the background stars.

Once you do that you will noticed that the speed to size ratio of the object in the video is pretty much identical to bats.

I can do it all in my head, and if I want I could do it in a computer simulator. But I trust my mind enough to not have to go to such lengths to debunk this video of bats. It would be much easier to borrow night vision and a camera and film them myself.



[edit on 19-4-2010 by ALLis0NE]

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


show me a video where a bat flies this fast at 500 hundred feet, or a 1000 feet.

so far i cant find one video of a bat high enough to mistake it for a UFO.

from what i can gather, correct me if i'm wrong, a bat can travel at speeds up to 60mph. that object in the video seems to be travelling a lot faster than that.

reply to post by drifta84


Here is a REALLY GOOD collection of bats being filmed near wind mills...
www.bu.edu...

Lower quality videos are on YouTube. Check these out..

If you watch the sky carefully you can see the exact thing the OP filmed. Little orbs in the sky:


Take a look at how fast this bat turns around and flies away!


These suckers are fast, and I believe their speed matches the OP's video...

[edit on 19-4-2010 by ALLis0NE]