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Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by polarwarrior
You see polarization as this positive or negative. There is nothing but positive after you pass the test, the test given has blank spaces after the questions, and when you put positive answers in, you pass it.
The test is not about choosing a side.
There is only one way to pass the test.
Only one side brings us home.
A human being is a part of a whole, called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by polarwarrior
Infinity is wonderful, its infinite, endless, beyond, beyond, and then again beyond, and its never ending, infinite endless possibilities, all things exist in "no time".
At no point does the Infinite Family Of Light ever join together as One Being.
felt so disconnected and alone here.
There may be endless planes and dimensions that you could experience a kind of oneness if you wish though you would still experience being you, and then as you think of another location, there you would be, if you were compatible with the experience.
And we exist as many versions of self, past, present and future where there is not past, nor present, nor future in "no time", endless versions of self, and we are all of ourselves.
The ego creates the deadening illusion that we are separate entities, islands unto ourselves that literally have no connection to the world around us. Nothing could be further from the truth. The ultimate spiritual realization has always been that all is One. The more profound our realization of that absolute fact the more significant will be the positive impact that we will have upon this world that we are all creating together. The more we realize how big an impact we are actually having, whether we're conscious of it or not, the more our conscience—our spiritual conscience—will be awakened. The realization that all is One is the essence of enlightenment, and the actual experience of that realization is the recognition at the level of consciousness that there literally is no other. If there is no other then there is only you. That means you are that one unified creative impulse that chose to initiate the evolutionary process fourteen billion years ago. As you become more conscious of that fact, you realize that it's up to you to drive that process forward in this very moment. The awakening of spiritual conscience means that the future literally depends upon you—not metaphorically or theoretically but actually. I'm talking about a living realization—that's what radical, impersonal, evolutionary enlightenment is all about!
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by polarwarrior
The interconnectedness is the Many In One, note the One. What this means is the One is many infinite rays, but we are united always.
Do you imagine in the Beyond, what many would call the Gardens of Heaven, there is anything short of eutopia, and joy?
The universe could be thought of as a giant living being or something, with many individual cells in it, these cells share a connection with each other, fractally you are not just one cell but one body as well hence you are also all cells. The opposite is also true, the many subsett parts contain the whole. Fractals and holograms help here. You know how in a holographic picture if you cut it in half and shine the laser onto just one half how it doesnt show half the picture, the hologram is still whole its just smaller. And you can cut that half in half again and again and each time the tiny part will be seen to still have the entire picture. So each infintesimally small part contains the whole.....well like in a hologram, you are the whole! So the entire universe (whole pic) is in you (small cutout). You are the one, as well as being one of the many in one, you are all of the many in one. You are everything, and everything is you, you are every being, every situation, every emotion, you just are.
To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three- dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser, and the fractals that all is made of in the hollographic illusion only..
To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film.
When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.
The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose.
Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole.
The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order.
Originally posted by polarwarrior
Ok let me just say first etman that if we were having this discussion a year ago I would have completly agreed with everything you say.
But experiences of other realms, contemplation and mediation has lead me to another level where the seperate view is still true but there is a unity underling the whole of creation.
Firstly yes I agree all those terrible acts you keep listing such as murder are horrible and of course I wouldnt reccomend you kill your family
I want to talk about the depth of our disagreement where you think infinity is manyness and I think its unity.
Because the "all is one" pholisphy is the basis for other claims which you have a problem with so lets get to basics.
One cannot define or comprehend infinity for every time they think they know what it is they realize much more is still to go, its a never ending mystery that cant ever be completely explored, each time you think you know about you realize there is still more to it. Any concept about infinity you try to put into words or pictures is absolutly meaningless, its but a fraction of infinity.Would you agree that almost infinity(finity) is the opposite to infinity? and that in infinity nothing doesnt exist, but simply all that could be is? One cannot count things in infinity, take the number line for example you think you can count 1, 2, 3, ... but in infinity it actually goes 1.000001, 1.000002 all the way to 1.9999999 and 2 so there are infinity numbers between one and two. Now if you were to take any two of those infinite numbers inbetween and compare it to the one next to it you would realize it is exactly the same, there cannot be any discrete measurable difference or else there would be a number not covered and there would only be a finite amount of numbers. Essentially one could take any two numbers that are side by side in the squence and swap them over and the sequence would still be correct, what is there to distinguish these numbers from each other when they are exactly the same? The paradox is that you could keep comparing numbers next to each other one after the other along the sequence and each time they will be exactly the same as the last, and yet all combinations of numbers are still covered. The next step in comprehension comes in realizing that any two consecutive numbers in the sequence are one and the same thing, it is not possible to distinguish one from the next, for if it were there would only be a finite amount of numbers. So what does one call this infnity sequence of all possibilities, its one thing, its one infinite sequence.
Think of your exploration of infinity like that of a tree for an example, starting at one leaf first you see there are many cells but they are all in one leaf. Then you go but hang on there are many leaves, but they are all on one branch, then you realize it cant be one because there are many branches...and so on untill you realize its all one tree. But then you see another tree and claim its not all one after all, but in the scope of the entire forest, it is one forest. This can go on infinetly each time you think you have manyness it is just a subset part of a bigger "one". And it is my understanding that you may be on the cusp of seeing the next big "one" such as having exhausted the tree your looking out into the forest and will swear it is manyness untill you look down from the skies and see one big chunk of greenery. I see infinity as being all one thing, sure it has many parts but they are all parts of the one. The only number to describe a whole is the number 1. You may say ahh but there are many wholes, still there is one collection of wholes. It keeps coming back to one.
There is only one word to describe infinity and that is unity, it is one infinite.
There is no such thing as two infinite or three infnite is there?
because these are just the same as one infinite.
So seeing as you cant put any other prefix before infninity apart from one, that is why it is called the one infinite creation.
-"We don't see the world as it is.
We see the world as WE ARE"
"You are not one of many. You are really MANY of ONE"
Sorry for the gross oversimplication, but negatives graduate to the next plane for existance for negatives, and yes it is a bloody awfull place, hell could be one way to describe it.
Cant you see they are deceptive...really deceptive
becuase the negative path ends around sixth and then entities can only pursure the positive path.
Entities incarnate as animals before they move on or "graduate" to incarnating as humans.
We have to choose one or the other then pursue it to a minimum degree to graduate.
We will then graduate to angels or light beings whatever you want to call them, and the evil humans on earth will graduate into being demons or whatever.
Nup, there is only one way that you know of to pass the test.
Unity_99 “Only one side brings us home. “
Polarwarrior.” No, thats what they would love you to think.
Its not necsesary for you to realize their is more ways home than the path you know of. So long as you have found a path then thats fine with me but you cant go and say there isnt another way home, the path of negativity.
If you meditate on the concept it can be seen,
no amount of words will ever be able to tell another.
There is nothing you can say about infinity that is not true for at least some part of it.
Like im sure much of it is wonerfull but there would also have to exist a non wonderfull part as all possibilities are covered.
using finite examples like rolls of film defeats the purpose because the portion of infinity thats being described is effectively rounded off to 0% in comparison to how much is not being described.
Unity_99 “At no point does the Infinite Family Of Light ever join together as One Being.”
Polarwarrior “Id agree with this because technically we never seperated in the first place, we just explored the illusion of seperation.”
Its not like I wish to experience oneness, it more like im not in denial about it.
But also to do with them not being able to face the fact that they are all things, there are things they cannot handle and want to seperate themselves from as much as possible so must deny that all is one for them to retain their own purtity and seperate from those evil acts or whatever.
I suppose it could be very hard to admit that the way some people are behaving that they could possibly be a part of you.
Were one being experiencing many different facets of ourselfes, like cells in the body of god or something...we are all one.
An illuminati motto is "divide on conquor"
I think many have been successfully divided.
The ultimate spiritual realization has always been that all is One.
The realization that all is One is the essence of enlightenment, and the actual experience of that realization is the recognition at the level of consciousness that there literally is no other. If there is no other then there is only you.
Eventually the two will come back together when duality is left behind.
A human being is a part of a whole, called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." Albert Einstein
This delusion of seperation is what makes it so hard for people to grasp that "all is one"
The many in one, so the many is small parts or components of the larger one, all(the many) is part of the one, all is one. The many are all in one, all is in one. All is one. If something doesn not seem to be in the one, your scope of the one is not big enough. The one includes all things. The one is infinite. The universe could be thought of as a giant living being or something, with many individual cells in it, these cells share a connection with each other,
Ok I used to think quite some time ago that the ngeatives needed to wake up to equality and love and light etc. and that I could perhaps help save a few of them but I have since wised up,
they know full well how to get out of this game.
They have so much hidden ancient texts, et communications, artifacts etc. its not even funny.
There is not "right" or "wrong" path they are just opposites to each other.
Originally posted by ET_MAN
Originally posted by polarwarrior
Thank you for sharing that, it's been a year now that you've felt the way you have so who really knows what can happen in another year.
Actally Ive felt this way for millions of years prior to this incarnation. I wasnt aware that I was a wanderer and wasnt even very spiritually seeking a year ago. If youd got me when I was still half asleep, I would have agreed with you. But now im fully awake.
I havnt learnt anything much here on earth, certainly not anything spiritual anyway, I "remember" things, much at first which has slowed down to a regular trickle now as the concepts become too abstract to have any relevence for 3d space time living, furthermore things not relevent to my "mission" here which is to aid polarization for the harvest are not revealed to my incarnate egoic unless I specifically ask for it.
To clarify a couple of things what do you mean by one-1?, isnt that redundent? am i supposed to read that as one one or something, like why the numeral and word? How do I read it when you type everyone-1, is that everyone one?
Do you have any alternative as to why you dont think infinty is unity? Please dont use the code again its getting a bit old, or the roll of film, Ive never liked either of those examples they just dont capture the mysterious essence..I know they do for you but do you have any other approaches about saying what you say because it seems like almost all your posts are the same old thing over...care to try a completely different tack of vocab that one could couple together with your other approach to try to picture your "thoughtform" behind the pages.
Would you agree that all you know is rounded to 0%?
Ok the the two paths positive and negative, diverge away in our plane and a few schools later they come back together again...so im sorry but the negatives will join you in your "utopia/heaven" eventually, but you've got a few billion years apart yet to go.
The part about the negatives which isnt nescasary that you see yet, is that they do you more benefit than you care to imagine. I miss having negatives ensalve me for "learning catalyst" which is why I jumped at the chance to come back here and help in the first place...lol nothing is as it seems in the illusion, it is TPTB who end up serving you...the creator wanted them and their behaviour in the perfect creation.
The imperfection you think you see is in the narrow eye of the beholder. The way the world is, its perfect.
Enbrace the creation as a whole, drop the bias for one spiritual orientation over another....the 4d neg is only hellish becasue im a positive, to a negative(which is the only ones who will go there) its like a mad rock party full of the sick cool older entities as they plan their next attack on the naive positives...but both are bad as each other in thinking their path is the "best" they are just opposites. I know you find the negatives actions hard to bear but belive me one day, out of duality, you will look back and see it as having been perfect and sacred all along.
Most of your "says who?" or "where did you get this information" questions can be answered by, Im saying it because im posting, and I know from past experience. Ive been on this 3rd density harvest many many times, its all somwhat the same thing, just different parts of the galaxy and different looking people.
Ive got an idea, do you know how to astral travel? perhaps we could meet in a more suitable environment where these cumbersome words are not required and discuss directly using thought, that way we dont get the old word confusion.
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