The Lost and Hidden connection between Religions

Originally posted by misguided
Again, I found it a good read, but hard to take in, thanks for your post. Not trying to take anything away, just sharing my opinion...

Thats cool. Im not sure of the theory I proposed in the OP myself. Hence posting about it.

I was told by the same source that in the Vedas they supposedly predict that the Crescent-Religion will be the last Religion before all three streams converge.

reply to post by Skyfloating

I was told by the same source that in the Vedas they supposedly predict that the Crescent-Religion will be the last Religion before all three streams converge.

I think history shows us there'll be no religious 'convergence' unless it's at the end of a sharp sword or gun barrel.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
I think history shows us there'll be no religious 'convergence' unless it's at the end of a sharp sword or gun barrel.

The breed of super-paranoid-fanatic is dying out. Except for in some backwaters of the American Bible-Belt and small parts of the Arabian Desert, Religion is becoming increasingly respectful of others.

Ecumenism

Interfaith

reply to post by Skyfloating

The breed of super-paranoid-fanatic is dying out. Except for in some backwaters of the American Bible-Belt and small parts of the Arabian Desert, Religion is becoming increasingly respectful of others.

We'll agree to disagree on that one...it seems to be increasing imao. The Interfaith link's interesting. I guess the biggest obstacle to 'religious singularity' is human nature. I'm not a religious person, but inevitably less conflict in most situations is a positive thing. I'll raise my metaphorical hat to your optimism

Originally posted by seagrass
question: Mithra/Taurus/bull the slaying of the Taurean Age. if so.. why isn't there much much more Aries/Ram in the next age? Warriors yes. But no Ramlike Religions? Am I mistaken?
We have Pisces/Fish/Jesus in the this age.
The bearer of water comes next.

There is, you just have to look for it. Sacrifice of The Lamb (Jesus), which comes from the idea of the sacrificial lamb, transferring all your tribes sins to a lamb (symbol of innocence) and ritually slaughtering it as a means of cleansing yourself of sin.

Also theres statues of Moses with ram horns, that could tie in.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
If what I told is true then Swahili would be the crescent-stream and Japenese/Korean would be more linear, like us.

Then it would not be true, as the Japanese alphabet is very beautiful and curvy. Korean I know has a lot of lines and circles.

Hiragana

Here is a website that provides mathematical proof of the equivalence of the sacred geometries of Judaism (Tree of Life, Otz Chiim), Hinduism (Sri Yantra), and the Platonic solids:

www.smphillips.8m.com...

These (and other) sacred geometries are shown to embody the 240 roots of the largest exceptional group E8 that appears in superstring theory, the number 137 determining the fine-structure constant, the interval composition of the seven types of musical scales, the nitrogen base composition of the 64 types of codons in RNA, the bone composition of the human skeleton, and other examples of the realization of the divine paradigm.

Imagine primitive man. On the grasslands. No fire. Only hunting and gathering and eating all flesh raw.

Approximately 4000 BCE a supernova occurred in the night sky that happened to be seen directly in between three stars that formed the shape of a perfect equilateral triangle. (eye of Horus anyone?)

From this event, a gift was supposedly deposited on earth and given to mankind. (HELLO, LUCIFER, the bringer of light. PROMETHEUS, who stole fire from the Gods)
Do you think that this could be fire perhaps?

Say you were a primitive man and you saw fire for the first time.

The sun was already worshiped...

So the fire represented God descended upon earth. At the same time hunter gatherers were expanding their diet. This started to include tubers, roots, but most importantly MUSHROOMS, which represents the SUN of God. God in the flesh.

Being that these people were migratory, they followed the heard of cattle.
A heard whose dung produced.... psychedelic mushrooms.

WHICH IS WHY THE COW IS A REVERED SYMBOL ACROSS EVERY SINGLE RELIGION KNOWN TO MAN.

Three stages occur when ingesting psilocybin:
1) vision becomes more acute, which would make the difference between life and death favoring those eating the mushrooms.
2) for lack of a better word, ummm...... the eating of the mushrooms makes one HORNY. (the mass propagation of humans for no reason about 6000 to 8000 years ago.)
3) hallucinatory psychedelic states.

From the third, developed religion and written language.
People wanted to explain their visions, so they would draw "characters" in the sand to describe them.

These visions also created shaman and religion.

Written language did not develop "out of the blue".

These mysteries of calender, math, and the seasons that developed out of worship of he sun combined with these mushroom cults to create the priest God-King.

In every religion, both new and old, one of these ancient roots can be found.
1) a food that brings one closer to the Gods: soma (Hindu), and haoma from
Zoroastrianism, which is the basis for all of the Abrahamic faiths.
2) the worship of seasons and the sun. This is too easy to see if one looks.
Read all of the links that I have previously posted.

All religions have a common root and that is what is taught by the Mysteries, like Freemasonry.
This was done to give power to the men, because they realized a long time ago that women were the divine manifestations of the universe. Men needed a way to win their power back over women, and the best way is by war and secrecy.
Women experience cycles. They are literally a metaphor for life and death. The worship of the feminine was the M.O. for all archaic religions at one point.
Men knew that this would minimize their need so they invented war and the mysteries of initiation.
Women and minorities are still to this day not allowed to participate in the TRUE mysteries of Freemasonry.
(Prince hall freemasonry is a joke. So is the order of the eastern star. They are ways of maintaining an image of being politically correct. If you don't believe me, then ask a black dude who has ever tried to join a non prince hall masonry brotherhood. Guess what? They CAN NOT)

Religions are manifestations of the first Mushroom cults and more than one author, christian and secular alike, agree with this notion.

i think nimrod is a poster child for this thread. here's the first post black sea flood world emperor. his name crosses many languages and cultures.

for example:

in akkad he was enmerkar

in egypt he was narmer (and Asar, Asari, Aser, Ausar, Ausir, Wesir, Usir, Usire or Ausare (osiris))

in china, he may have been Shun (theorizing, it could've been Yu, as there's no evidence that nimrod was the immediate offspring of cush). this primarily because it appears one of his ancestors matches the etymological description of cush, and who is described as "he of eyes of double brightness"

Their first king is called "Shun". He is black, and his eyes shine with a "double brightness" (this has theological significance - i.e. demon possession). His father's name is spelled Chusou or Khusou (Cush).

ezinearticles.com...?&id=2033859

i don't think "glowing eyes" signifies "demon possession" specifically. it's more likely it signifies spirit possession of some kind, or a particular lifeform possession, for example:

revelation 19
12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

now that passage is apparently describing yeshua with glowing eyes.

and here's another

daniel 10
6His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

this passage refers to, what sounds like an angelic visitation. the rest of the passage is really wild (worth reading if you are interested in high strangeness in biblical text)

www.biblegateway.com...

Some fascinating replies in this thread, some really good info too.

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Shroom-states are nothing like mystical states, in my experience - which is why I disagree with the "Religions came from mushrooms" theory.

But hey, what do I know...

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What is not widely known is that Buddhism also has a concept of Heaven or Afterlife-Paradise called Pure Land

Originally posted by Kandinsky

I think history shows us there'll be no religious 'convergence' unless it's at the end of a sharp sword or gun barrel.

Well they say there will be war. A man will arise to bring peace. And then all hell breaks loose. Ending with the beloved, kind , turning his other cheek 'Jesus' coming to the rescue. Armored with a mighty sword he will slay down evil. Even if they turn the other cheek.

Sound like fun. Right.

ALL RELIGIONS ARE THE SAME!!!!!


i do not believe you have to either be religious or a darwinist.
i believe that science,religion,evolution, history, myth, folklore, the word, etc, all ORIGINATE from the truth.

how many people have played the game "telephone" well history has been told that way. ive studied many religions. the most interesting thing is, ALL bibles have different names of characters, but ALL THE STORIES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. noah, moses, jesus, etc. all tell of the flood, all tell of a baby being found on the river, all tell of a savior from god (jesus) but all the names are different. that means these things really happened. over 2000 years the stories just got a lil different but the core stays the same. science has proved what the bible has said. but the harcore bible thumpers dont believe the world existed past 6000 years.

i would like some discussion about this with someone whos knowledgable. if you have something to add then message me back

Great thread with alot of well thought out, intelligent replies. As has been mentioned, many of the secret societies make no distinction between their members religious preference. Take Freemasonry for example, where any man who believes in "God" and meets the other perameters for membership, prays with Brothers of every other faith inside of a lodge which represents the outside world/universe, to the GAOTU, a generic yet deeply symbolic name for "the god of many names and faces." THIS is the reason for the Catholic churches' negative stance.

It's all about control ladies and gents. How does a religion tax, control thought, and keep this control? Why creating fear, and demonizing every other "religion" to keep people inside their cage. In ancient times an adept from another mystery school was welcomed in a seperate and different one as an adept. For instance, Alexander the great being recieved at the Jewish temple sanctum sanctorum. Someone very astutely noted that the mystery schools "have more in common they do uncommon." This is fact. Another example of a modern "secret society" promoting the study and praxis of all religions besides Theosophy and Freemasonry is Martinism. "Reintegration" is their mantra. This "all inclusiveness" is opposed by those who wish to divide and conquer. And members of these mystery schools have been severely persecuted in the age of peices, and that is why they are now "secret". Once upon a time they were just invitational, but everyone knew who they were. They just weren't initiated. One more point and then Ill go. ALL of the mystery traditions have a three teired initiation system. The ancient Egytians on down to the Essenes to the modern amalgamation that is Freemasonry etc. An excellent series of books are written by a dear fellow Brother and High Initiate "Chevalier Emery's". Google his esoteric name along with his book "Revelation of the Grail". He was commisioned to write this book to send out to the masses by High Grade members of the orders he belongs to.

God speed!

reply to post by Skyfloating


Skyfloating, The Cherokee have a lot of similar concepts as Buddhism. But independent cultures also create similar tools, like knives, mortar/pestels, breads from grains etc.

That's not because those cultures were somehow connected, it's because similar creatures with similar problems and similar needs develop similar tools.

I'm not sure why the process of enlightenment should be any different.

There are many cases in which religions have indeed inherited elements from those prior, such as Christianity out of Judaism and other pagan religions... Hebrew Creation Myths out of Sumerian creation myths etc. Same can be said of the Buddhism/Hinduism connections. Karen Armstrong has some great books about this.

But at the same time, common concepts, tools, and exercises will crop up amongst disparate cultures as it relates to dealing with the human condition. The only connection required for that is being in the same evolutionary bush :-)

reply to post by HunkaHunka


hebrew comes from habiru which comes from nibru (enlil's city on the euphrates) and nibiru (a word to denote the crossing of jupiter across the meridian of the sky, and crossing place was the meaning of nibru). so hebrew history IS sumerian history. they didn't borrow it. they lived it.

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Mahalo for sharing.

Fascinating theory.

OM reflecting 3 streams of energy symbolizing 3 world views of religion and 3 written forms of language.

On page 3 you mention babel tower...perhaps there are similar existing stories appearing around the world, like the flood story Kandinksy and you have refered to.

Curious what is Ancient Egypts complete story of the flood...and whether this story can in any way be related to the tales of Mu - Atlantis.


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Originally posted by undo
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

hebrew comes from habiru which comes from nibru (enlil's city on the euphrates) and nibiru (a word to denote the crossing of jupiter across the meridian of the sky, and crossing place was the meaning of nibru). so hebrew history IS sumerian history. they didn't borrow it. they lived it.

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I never said they borrowed it, I said they inherited it...

Who said they borrowed it?

reply to post by HunkaHunka


they didn't inherit it either. how do i explain this.
enlil was the sumerian god known in the biblical text as jehovah.
he was EL of the Elohiym. the etymology is

EN.LIL
LIL
IL
EL

he and the sumerian enki, had temple cities on the euphrates river, pre-black sea flood. his city was later known as nippur, which you can see here:
oi.uchicago.edu...
and read about here:
en.wikipedia.org...

the hebrews were followers of enlil. thus they were named after his city, nibru, which meant crossing place.

and i am not attacking you, btw. i'm just explaining what i know about the subject. it was their history, not borrowed not inherited, but lived.

I have been a lurker on ats for quite a while now. This thread made me join ATS and post my first comment. The thread unlike many others has been till now a very good and well coordinated effort by everybody who has posted with lot of insights and interesting information coming out. I have learned a lot of new things from it. Keep it up