Jesus was truly an African!

Black is love.

Now it should be CLOSED.

Love is colorblind.

Now it should be CLOSED

If love was color blind, there wouldn't be no racism
If love was color blind, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Now it should be CLOSED

Jesus wasn�t a racist.

Now it should be CLOSED

This is why there is no peace. Everyone wants the last word!

Now It Should Be CLOSED

Jesus wasn't racist because he wasn't white.

Now it should be CLOSED

Your argument is the thing that causes racism.

Now it should be CLOSED

I agree

Now it should be CLOSED

Originally posted by Illmatic67
Now it should be CLOSED

The both of you should be WARNED for carrying on this tit for tat.

Specially you Illmatic. You uber old school ATS member, shouldnt you know better by now?

Kinglizard I can forgive because he actually makes intelligent posts, and might have been drawn in by your racist diatribes.

[edit on 13-6-2004 by Agent47]

Yes, I agree with you, personal enlightenment will be attained. That is why this board should not be closed. For those who are emotionally upset I think that person or persons should avoided reading this thread. You're not forced to read it.

The problem is not the thread, but the control of peoples thoughts that some are trying to do. And than justifying this control by claiming to know what Jesus thinks. This is very, very dangerous in this day and age. This post is very important to the people that wants to share information. You can't speak for everyone. Go away if you can't handle it. It is clear that you can't add to the discussion and only writing about how much you hate it. This is not positive at all!


"No person is your friend who demands your silence, or denies your right to grow."

- Alice Walker


"Religion without humanity is a poor human stuff."

- Sojourner Truth, American abolitionist (c.1797-1883).


What people call psychedelic music is basically entering a door--a different door of perception--which brings me to the saying, "You cannot behave appropriately unless you perceive correctly." This is why "Shaman" is important. When the European people came to America, the first thing they killed was the shamans, because they knew that those guys knew too much and they wanted to make people deaf, dumb and blind. Same with Africa. This way, they'll indoctrinate you with the Christian thing, but you cannot have access to Christ unless you go through them.

- Carlos Santana (Musician)

why do we care what colour he was ?
does it make him any less credible?any less of a man?
the answer to the last 2 are no
we shouldt care if what colour or race he was. just the message he was trying to get across

Black is love.

Now it should be CLOSED.

Why would you say something as ignorant as that? You have no reason to be so cocky Illmatic, no reason at all. You may have been on ATS longer than some of us, but that gives you no right to walk over the rest of the members. You walk into this thread say nothing of cohernence and ask it to be closed ?



You will not answer the question I posed on another thread either......

Wether or not he was black/white/chinese/purple does not matter, what matters is his message. Ones race does not give him more credence.



Deep

[edit on 13-6-2004 by ZeroDeep]

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
You will not answer the question I posed on another thread either......

Get used to that one, Illmatic is sooooo super old school that he doesnt even have to respond to other members at this point.

As youve pointed out the posts dont even have to be coherent , but when your avatar says "member since XXXXX" then it really doesnt matter does it?

Sorry I just needed to work off that rage.

[Edited on 13-6-2004 by Agent47]

before ego identifications, go thrown across the board of humanity for the use and advantage of others minds or perceptions; lest not forget that "we" are referring to a "person" that is respected in certain images by millions.

thus the true nature to the "dilemma": how does the message of "jesus" present itself for the best possible assimulation of such universal and honest virtues pertaining to the interaction of life.

thus an entirely new "issue"; do certain people make the choices they make inherintly; and external stimuli to such force of choice to "exist" in such fashions may create "effects" in the "nature of reality". as evident by the lack thereof within even this post. but we all try.

Wow, now that was truly interesting! Very poetic! However, one of Tim Wise's points was that invasion and than indoctrination of the masses doesn't change reality. But if you believe that might makes right, than whatever the power elite dictates in order to maintain their so-called "divine" order will be acceptable.

Forcing a European image on indigenous people and than convincing them that this image is the son of god, or god himself maybe beneficial to the invading people, more so than the indigenous.

I really don't think your concerns are about humanity, well not all of humanity. For some, it's about maintaining a social system or order that they have benefited from for centuries now. If brown skin humanity can't survive under this "divine" system, why should the elite care. It's their own fault if they are not smart enough to figure it out.



Divine right: 1. The doctrine that monarchs and or imperialists believe their have a right to ruled because they were chosen by God to do so and are accountable only to God. 2.a. Having the nature of or being a deity. b. Of, relating to, emanating from, or being the expression of a deity. c. Being in the service or worship of a deity; sacred. 3. Superhuman; godlike. 4.a. Supremely good or beautiful; magnificent. b. Extremely pleasant; delightful. c. Heavenly; perfect.


Manifest Destiny: 1. A policy of European imperialistic expansion defended as necessary or benevolent. 2. Manifest Destiny Doctrine was based on the idea that Europeans had a divine providence. It had a future that was destined by God to expand its borders, with no limit to area or country. All the traveling and expansion were part of the spirit of Manifest Destiny, a belief that it was God's will that Americans spread over the entire continent, and to control and populate the country as they see fit. Many expansionists conceived God as having the power to sustain and guide human destiny. "It was white man's burden to conquer and christianize the land."

Note 1: In 1845, a democratic leader and influential editor by the name of John L. O'Sullivan gave the movement its name. In an attempt to explain America's thirst for expansion, and to present a defense for America's claim to new territories he wrote: ".... the right of our manifest destiny to over spread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federaltive development of self government entrusted to us. It is right such as that of the tree to the space of air and the earth suitable for the full expansion of its principle and destiny of growth."

Note 2: Another way to disguise Manifest Destiny was to promote the philosophy of White Man's Burden. Rodyard Kipling made this philosophy famous in his poem of the same name. In his poem Kipling urged the United States to follow in the footsteps of Great Britain. He stated that, as a world power, the US had the burden to help the inferior people of the world adjust to Christianity. He also warned the United States that it would not be an easy task to take on the role of a world leader but, the rewards will outweigh the trouble.


It sounds to me that George Bush understands this system very well!

[edit on 14-6-2004 by Cu#e]

I don't think everyone has the same needs that you wrote about.

www.africanbynature.com...

hope this wasnt mentioned in the links or other posts cuz i didint read them. we are all african by nature. we all started off in africa. the reason were not all black is cuz of mutation and adaptation. when people migrated to different places of the earth they canged to fit their enviroment. this is adaptation. ex. their are a lot of dark places in africa right? well guess what. thats why theyre black. to hide better in the shadows for hunting. when people migrated to asia they too changed to fit theyre enviroment. theyre are a lot of deserts in asia right? thats why they have medium colored skin, to blend in with there enviroment. when people migrated to norway and places up their by it they too changed to blend in. they are the whitest of all to blend in with the snow. if your white like me just look at you freckles. thats your blackness. its just pigmentation all clustered up. the reason their is red hair and blonde hair is simply from mutation. i learned that in 6th grade science.

You mean others were once African by nature. But not any more! Using your thinking, then we are all Asian by nature. Silly isn't it! Be proud to be European American.

R. Yehoshua bar Yosef ("Jeezuzzz") was a Galilean male of supposedly "Daviddic" descent (i.e. mixed Judaean/Moabite extraction) although he was called a "Sammaritan" in John's Gospel, which may suggest he was thought to have been mixed in with the foreign Greek elements as well as with some Assyrian blood i.e. when Samaria and the northern "kingdom" was invaded by foregin nations (BC 721-701= Assyria) and (BC 331-63 = Syrian Greeks)---all of whom introduced new blood into the "already heavilly mixed Israelite race".

A Black man ? No. A White man? No.

Kind of Arabic (olive skinned) looking? Yes, very probably, although you'd never know it by looking at all that mediaeval European art, which aims to make "the son of god" out in their own European "white skinned" image.

If you want to know what he looked like physically in terms of "racial appearance" (whatever that means) check out the present day Jordanian population--roughly where Moab was supposed to be located.

This should give you a clue, all ye wannabe Sherlocks, as to the physical race of this man...although we do not possess a definitive or reliable physical description of him from antiquity to confirm our suspicions (or beter yet. a snapshot or video) !!

It's just as well, there is no evidence he was good looking either !

("There was no comliness about him...nor any beauty of features that would cause us to desire him"---as it says in the book of Deutero-Isaiah)

How about this... Jesus can be white, to white people, Jesus can be black to black people, Jesus can be oriental to oriental people, Jesus can be any color anyone wants him to be, but there is no getting around the fact that Jesus SAVED US! Praise his name!