Jesus was truly an African!

Cu#e, I think you're a wonderful person, but please stop assuming that I can't "take" a Black Jesus. If you think that Palestinians are Black, then I would agree that Jesus must be Black, period. No argument whatsoever from me. If you mean that Jesus was Black the way that most Ethiopians are Black, then I'm not sure... it's possible. I think it would be unusual, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. It's far more likely than imagining that he was, for example, as light-skinned as me!

I'm going to say something that I know you will probably interpret as me being a white supremacist or something, but please don't take it that way: Jesus' skin colour, I imagine, was irrelevant even to the Man himself. As I said above, if you consider modern Palestinians to be Black, then Jesus was almost certainly Black. I'm fully willing to have him pictured as an Ethiopian every time I see him, although I don't see the benefit in changing traditional works of art, even if they are flawed in terms of skin colour. But please, please stop thinking that I have anything against Jesus being Black. I don't!

It�s interesting to see that you are a person that knows very little about history that you would make such a strange statement about ancient people versus modern people. And you think that they are one of the same in appearance. You can�t be that misinformed. Talk is cheap!

Proving that African are the indigenous people in that region is clear to most in the day and age.


Africans are the first humans
www.africanbynature.com...

Africans along the Red Sea
www.africanbynature.com...

Early African Exodus to Asia
www.africanbynature.com...

African Migration to China
www.africanbynature.com...

Afrocentrism....
Rebuttal:

This is a book for teachers and scholars, written by a professor of classics at Wellesley College. I wish there were no need for such a book. It is to our national shame both that Afrocentrism has been allowed to flourish inside our schools, but outside the boundaries of the traditional standards of empirical research, and that there has been a need for Afrocentrism to develop in the first place.

Not Out of Africa

Are you a believer in 'afrocentrism', Cu#e?
I mean, technically, by what your referencing and saying, that because 'man' supposedly began out of Africa, then we are all technically 'black'? So in that same theory of thinking, Jesus was black, so I can agree with that.




seekerof

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The Mose Mystery

The African Origins of the Jewish People

An intriguing bombshell, based on extensive research into Egyptian history, archaeology, literature, and mythology, presents the idea that much of biblical scholarship concerning the origins of Israel up to 1000 B.C. is completely and totally wrong.

Sure to cause controversy in both academic and religious circles, The Moses Mystery examines the troubling question of why ancient Israel has no archaeological or documentary presence prior to and just after the Exodus from Egypt and challenges the conventional wisdom on the origins of the pre-Exodus bible stories. Marshaling an astounding amount of research in the fields of biblical archaeology and Egyptian history, literature, and mythology, Gary Greenberg shows that the first Israelites were indigenous (native) Egyptians and that the history of Israel before the Exodus is based almost entirely on Egyptian mythology.


Gary Greenberg is president of the Biblical Archaeology Society of New York. He is also a member of the American Research Center in Egypt, the Archaeological Institute of America, the Society of Biblical Literature, and the Egypt Exploration Society. He serves as a senior trial attorney with the Criminal Division of the Legal Aid Society of York City.

ISBN: 1559723718


There seem to be a great deal of European Americans of the Jewish faith who are fully aware of this history.

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The AFRICAN ORIGINS of MODERN JUDAISM

"This book deals with an aspect of human history and experience often suppressed or misrepresented. It raises the question: Who are the Jews and what is their proper place in history? Mr. Malcioln presents to his readers a much more convincing answer than that of other authors better known than he."

- Dr. John Henrik Clarke, author of Africans at the Crossroads

"[Dr. Malcioln] demonstrates the relationship between [African] Black Hebrews and White Jews, Arabic-speaking Africans and Arabs. [This book] is important for members of all monotheistic religions that originated in the same region to understand their own ancient beginnings and their ancestral ties to each other. History as it relates to the common origin of man, without self-serving revisions by European historians, is not a subject most publications and bookstores are prepared to handle."

- Amsterdam News, New York

"This book has a two-fold purpose to demonstrate to African (Black) and White Hebrews and Jews their undeniable kinship and to encourage a better relationship among Israelites through understanding of that kinship. In this seminal work, Malcioln attempts to answer the fundamental question of the Relationship between Africa and the Hebrews or Jews. This historical study will show the contributions made before and after certain periods of Jewish dispersion from Africa."


Jose' V. Malcioln was born in Panama of a Moroccan-Hebrew mother. He has taught in the New York school system many years. He has also taught in Mexico, Spain, Amherst, Brooklyn, Boricua and Malcolm-King Colleges. He is a graduate of City College, N.Y., Baruch College, Columbia University and obtained his Ph.D. at the Institute lbero Americano, Madrid, Spain.

ISBN: 0865433720


Scholars from all over the world has face these facts today! It can't be hidden anymore.

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It defintely doesn't need to be hidden, only the truth needs to be revealed...so lets reveal some of it:
NORTH AFRICANS

The cultures of Northern and Northeastern Africa are frequently attributed to blacks of sub-Saharan African origin. However, this is done more for political reasons than to reflect historical or scientific reality, as the evidence from various fields indicates a predominantly Caucasoid origin for North Africans, with gene flow from Negroids being small and occurring comparatively recently.

From this main site:
Racial Reality

This website is a collection of genetic studies, anthropological surveys, scientific research, historical perspectives and illustrative photographs on various topics relating to race and racial origins. Its purpose is to discount the proliferation of pseudo-scholarship that has arisen in Nordicist (White Nationalist), Afrocentric, multicultural and race-abolitionist circles. The accumulated materials are intended only to correct misinformation, not to denigrate any group or advance an agenda. The author holds no special credentials in any of the fields mentioned.

ADDED
Jesus was Jewish, correct?
JEWS




seekerof

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Dreaming of a Non-White Christmas

Santa, Jesus and the Symbolism of Racial Supremacy


www.africanbynature.com...

What do you know, a real image of the ancient Hebrews.


Another European American writing about this history.

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That was truly embarrassing! You can't be that sad to want to be, "African!"

White Mythologies: Writing, History and the West

by Robert Young


Beginning with Helene Cixous' indictment of history as a"story of Phallocentrism, " Young investigates the different concepts and operations of "history" Western thought--from classical and critical Marxism through post-colonial critiques of Eurocentrism. He traces the various attempts by Hegel, Marx, Lukacs, and Sartre to produce a more coherent theory of history, and more recent efforts by Althusser and Foucault to produce a "non-historici st" history. Ultimately, White Mythologies argues that all attempts to write history as a single narrative are doomed to failure.

ISBN: 0415053722

Culture and Imperialism

by Edward W. Said

Edward Said makes one of the strongest cases ever for the aphorism, "the pen is mightier than the sword." This is a brilliant work of literary criticism that essentially becomes political science. Culture and Imperialism demonstrates that Western imperialism's most effective tools for dominating other cultures have been literary in nature as much as political and economic. He traces the themes of 19th- and 20th-century Western fiction and contemporary mass media as weapons of conquest and also brilliantly analyzes the rise of oppositional indigenous voices in the literatures of the "colonies." Said would argue that it's no mere coincidence that it was a Victorian Englishman, Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton, who coined the phrase "the pen is mightier . . ." Very highly recommended for anyone who wants to understand how cultures are dominated by words, as well as how cultures can be liberated by resuscitating old voices or creating new voices for new times.

ISBN: 0679750541


Carnal Knowledge and Imperial Power: Race and the Intimate in Colonial Rule

by Ann Laura Stoler

ISBN: 0520231112


Imperial Eyes: Travel Writing and Transculturation

by Mary Louise Pratt

ISBN: 0415060958


The Rhetoric of Empire: Colonial Discourse in Journalism, Travel Writing, and Imperial Administration

by David Spurr

ISBN: 0822313170

has the thought circuit of this thread decreased to a one on many one's theme?


without characterizing or externalizing that which is observed, due to a lack of self observation; as well, due to melanin and eu-melanin as supported by these facts: about melanin

www.highculture.8m.com...
www.blackebony.co.uk...

a primer to these subjects under the religious, scientific veil

www.answersingenesis.org...

in reference to the inference that the jewish people were of a particular "race" as expressed in "mass media" and "knowledge books"; and this "race" having ties to the ancient egyptians

www.hebrewhistory.org...
www.ijebu.org...

as though this information may be off topic; the thread nodes touched uppon such subjects.


as to jesus being historical, imiginary, mystical, mythical;

does the image, attached to the subject as studied, in any way change the message? and if this be true; which is, in a non/absolute sense: what are the reprocussions?


any takers on that question?



meat for men; great scholarly work going: cu#e, as to refutations to others percieved "reality"; the lack of sense to an issue, based on emotional response to the self, would i assume: be part and parcel solution to the previous question as aforementionally prosed.

Originally posted by foolishbeing

as to jesus being historical, imiginary, mystical, mythical;

does the image, attached to the subject as studied, in any way change the message? and if this be true; which is, in a non/absolute sense: what are the reprocussions?

I don't believe that there are any repurcussions other than to hardcore orthodoxy. If Jesus didn't exist it doesn't matter. What does matter is that the teachings attributed to him do exist. Those teachings are universal. They transgress race, colour or creed. They can be followed by anyone on this planet without being blocked by the petty arguments of racial hatred.

A Catholic priest by the name of Father Pfleger, at Saint Sabina in Chicago. Once told me that if people followed the bible by it's description of Jesus, the European American community would leave the church in massive numbers.

That was the fear, and it was told to him regularly by priests and even many cardinals. This was about ten years ago. Father Pfleger is European American. He has received many death threats over the years.

www.saintsabina.org...

You seem to be desperate to prove a point that can't be proven and that has no significance to true Christian's anyway - even if it could be shown to be true.

So what's your agenda? Are you trying to incite racial hatred?

members.aol.com...

Does the link above mean that Jesus was evil? Or that he was inferior? Or if you hapen to be a hunchback dwarf - does it mean that he was physically superior to people without defect?



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Sorry, you lost me, with your link and comments about it. I don't think one human is better than the next, in any way. I'm not into make believe concepts such as who is better than who.

What am I seeking? Honesty! In a dishonest world, it's rather refreshing! So I'm seeking love, respect and understanding among people in the family of the human race.

There is only one race!

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Two thoughts on this thread.

1. Why is it here? One of the most replied threads in ATS history was Jesus was a black man. It was closed by the mods for becoming repetitious. Gee I can't see that here.

2. What does it matter. Everything that exists was created by God in the way and manner He chose. It doesn't matter what His color was, that's up to God. It's just like the mods on ATS, it's their board and their rules.

The saddest part of this whole thing is that while debate whether or not history needs to be re-written, we're completely ignorinng the reaon Jesus came in the firsst place. To teach us how to live and seek eternity with Him!

Come on people, on judgement day I don't think it's going to get us an brownie points for saying "I fought hard on Above Top Secret to prove Jesus was a black African." Pardon me, and who are are you, Hmmm olive skinned, beard, earlly to mid thirties, nail marks, Eerrrr oooopps - never mind!

well i think the point can be surmised that this is judgement time; or that now is the time of rectification: if this is true, and a "true" christian hasn't overcome the racial hatred that limits his/her growth then this tread is very necessary.

i find it very necessary on both aspects of the "fence"

for those who know that "jesus" walks. and those who think of him as a mythical figure to be imulated in an attempt to achieve perfection.

either way and for both paths involved; personal enlightenment will be attained.


now the question was what of the original thread again?

jesus was truly an african;

any refutations or supporting information other than emotional filled responses charged with allegations of others personal beliefs; i mean dont we all believe?

CommonSense I couldn�t agree more, I think Jesus would be disappointed if he read this thread. It seems his message has been lost. We should spend the time trying to understand the text contained in the bible and how to apply it to our own lives rather than attempting to feel superior to others by finding similarities between the physical appearance of a particular race and Jesus. This thread has outlived its usefulness and is simply repeating the same argument over and over and over again.

It should be closed.

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Jesus was black.

Now it should be CLOSED

Jesus was Love.

Now it should be CLOSED