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reply to post by dragnet53


Why do you think Georgia would be safe in the event of some sort of catastrophe. Since I know no catastrophe is coming it would be useful to describe the disaster and then why Georgia would be safe.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Austexdude

 

Another useless post by Lucus. About all he says here is that the importance of this thread is free advertising for him.

This is a repeated claim in which he makes it abundantly clear that all he wants is attention.

Actually, stereologist, if I may, I would offer that it is you that appears to like the attention. I post infrequently, but I read a LOT in this forum and elsewhere, and the time has come to thank you: the more you sound off, the closer I tend to pay attention and examine what you oppose. Your special brand of opinion here supposes that the reader is incapable of digesting the information presented and assigning their own credibility factor. I assure you this is not the case.

You can try to rescue people from their ignorance all you want by stomping your cyber-feet and aiming your strategic rhetoric, but all it really does is draw attention to the very subjects you appear to try to dispell. People will form their own opinions come hell or high water, to use that expression, regardless of how fervently you try to steer them away from it. If this topic and its subject/creator/content is so irritating to you, may I suggest you relieve yourself of that which vexes you so, spare us bashing the subject, and leave the how-tos of opinion forming to the reader?

Thanks!

reply to post by Auntie Matter


So you have no content to post to support one side or the other. Why don't you post something that contributes to supporting or refuting the Lucus claims?

Originally posted by Austexdude
You can claim BS all you want...it is IMPOSSIBLE to disprove something that has not happened.

You claim Nibiru is closing in and that gravitational perturbations were noticed in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune as early as the 1980's right? It's been nearly 30 years, those perturbations should have increased exponentially. You didn't claim it hasn't happened, you've claimed that it's been happening for 30 years!

You can go on all you want astronut...very few people believe you.

If even one person believes me then I'm completely satisfied. My satisfaction is not derived from my popularity or lack thereof. The truth is not determined by popularity, and I will continue to expose the truth no matter how unpopular it may be here.

Originally posted by dragnet53
reply to post by ngchunter

 

I never believe anything on youtube.

Then why did you defend jcattera's videos?

in fact I hardly believe things on here. I sometimes hope they're real, but I know the truth. But here is why I say it is real. look at all the recent fireballs happening since 2009. They have increased a lot.

I remember quite a few prior to 2009. Do you have actual quantitative data to show the rate has significantly increased?

Now those 'comets' hitting jupiter on the south side was kind of an eye opener as well.

Funny you should mention; every single discovery of an object that has hit jupiter has involved an amateur astronomer. In fact, it is the vigilance of amateurs like Anthony Wesley that are shedding light on the true rate of impacts. Until the advent of webcam-based lucky imaging, no one was keeping constant surveillance on Jupiter. Now there are amateurs all over the world recording it on video every clear night.

It is out there and people claim it might be near oort cloud.

That's mutually exclusive with claims of a 3600 year orbit or an object nearing the inner solar system, in other words, Nibiru.

Can your telescope see that far?

My telescope can see out to 2.4 billion light years. I do not doubt the possibility that there could be an object as massive as a brown dwarf at oort cloud distances, but that is an entirely different claim from one of an object anywhere near the inner solar system. The two claims are worlds apart.

Yes...there is much data to show that giant fireballs have increased...it's called TURN ON THE FREAKIN NEWS...

These so called 30-50 year events are happening all the time. I could personally show you at least 5 events of that magnitude that happened in the past year. Many are being caught on video.

Stop with your malarkey...if you're an astronomer then you would know that because even a simple fool can figure that much out.

Explain these then with your superman science.

JUNE 12th, 2010 - Fireball witnessed over Pinar del Rio
JUNE 12th, 2010 - Fireball crashes into Canadian farmer's field.
JANUARY 18th, 2010 - Several meteors and fireball seen over Richmond sky (Night)
JANUARY 18th, 2010 - Meteorite hits doctor's office in Virginia (Day)
JANUARY 10th, 2010 - Large fireball reported over Irving California
JANUARY 7th, 2010 - Fireball seen over Montreal Canada
DECEMBER 19th, 2009 - Huge fireball seen in broad daylight over Candlesby, UK
DECEMBER 7th, 2009 - Bluish green fireball sighted over northern Germany
NOVEMBER 27th, 2009 - Large fireball seen by witnesses over Miami
NOVEMBER 26th & 27th, 2009 - Large fireballs reported over Edmonton 2 nights in a row
NOVEMBER 21st, 2009 - Huge meteor explosion lights up sky in South Africa (VIDEO)
NOVEMBER 19th, 2009 - Asteroid streaks across Australia for 15 minutes
NOVEMBER 18th, 2009 - Asteroid creates huge fireball seen in 8 states! (VIDEO)
NOVEMBER 7th, 2009 - Huge flash in the sky witnessed by many in British Columbia
NOVEMBER 7th, 2009 - Large fireball reported over California
NOVEMBER 6th, 2009 - Earth narrowly misses asteroid strike
NOVEMBER 4th, 2009 - Large ice chunks from sky batter Chicago house
OCTOBER 27th, 2009 - Bright blue fireball reported over Kansas
OCTOBER 18th, 2009 - Meteorite hits family car in Canada
OCTOBER 13th, 2009 - Hundreds in Netherlands and Germany see exploding fireball
OCTOBER 8th, 2009 - Asteroid creates massive explosion over Indonesia
OCTOBER 7th, 2009 - Fireball and explosion reported over Namibia
MARCH 29th, 2009 - Huge fireball and explosion over East Coast USA
MARCH 2nd, 2009 - 100 foot asteroid zips by Earth

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reply to post by Austexdude


The idea that this list represents anything unusual is the sort of close minded, uneducated banter that the Lucus presentations are about.

Where is the evidence to support that there has been an increase in fireballs. This is a short list of meteors. Sorry, but big deal. I've personally seen several fireballs including one so bright that it cast shadows towards our campfire. It was a beautiful experience to see something that bright appear in the night sky.

Take a look at the following page from the American Meteor Society
Meteor Showers

The peak of the 1998 Leonid meteor shower (rich in bright fireballs), shown in a four-hour time exposure through a fisheye lens ...

This site which updates reports quickly on new sightings uses a photograph from a 1998 event. Now if this were a Lucus presentation we'd made something of this, but here we need to dig deeper and find out if there is something more to this claim.

2. How frequently do fireballs occur?

Several thousand meteors of fireball magnitude occur in the Earth's atmosphere each day. The vast majority of these, however, occur over the oceans and uninhabited regions, and a good many are masked by daylight. Those that occur at night also stand little chance of being detected due to the relatively low numbers of persons out to notice them.

Additionally, the brighter the fireball, the more rare is the event. As a general thumbrule, there are only about 1/3 as many fireballs present for each successively brighter magnitude class, following an exponential decrease. Experienced observers can expect to see only about 1 fireball of magnitude -6 or better for every 200 hours of meteor observing, while a fireball of magnitude -4 can be expected about once every 20 hours or so.

There you have it. The list of events posted by Lucus is nothing more than a tiny smattering of events. His demand of explain his list is simply that he has no idea what he was talking about and then did no research. The AMS does collect data and do provide lots of information. They actually do research, something Lucus probably never does.

reply to post by Austexdude

Even NASA a few years back stated that fireballs are a 30 year type event that occurs. Now it is common thing to happen.

Originally posted by Austexdude
These so called 30-50 year events are happening all the time.

Since when was it a "30-50 year event?" I've never heard anyone claim that until now. You're not showing data of a statistically significant INCREASE, you're only showing current occurances.

reply to post by Austexdude


I bet if you go farther back let say to 2000 you would notice less frequent fireballs.

reply to post by dragnet53


Can you show us where NASA made this statement? Of course not. You are making this up.

Originally posted by dragnet53
reply to post by Austexdude

 

I bet if you go farther back let say to 2000 you would notice less frequent fireballs.

I asked if you had data that showed a statistically significant increase in the number of fireballs. You only gave me current events. A paper in 1977 gave a rate of fireballs of at least 2 per year with a brightness equal to the moon for britain alone, nevermind the rest of the world:
www.nature.com...
Extrapolated worldwide, that's a crapload of very bright fireballs, and those are just the ones that equal or exceed the brightness of the moon. There are far more that are below that level but are still fireballs; I've witnessed at least 3 such fireballs personally.

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reply to post by dragnet53


That's quite a silly statement to make in light of the fact that thousands are known to happen EACH DAY. That's right each day.

The astounding lack of research - appears to be nada - is the reason that these totally absurd ideas are proposed. Take the time to learn. Here it's called denying ignorance.

I am looking for the NASA article and when I find it I will be sure to post it. Here is a clip from a new article.

Should we be concerned about this significant asteroid strike in the Earth's atmosphere?

Well anything that strikes the atmosphere and explodes is a call for some concern but what makes this strike more significant is that this is latest asteroid explosion in the Earth's atmosphere in just over a month!

On October 8th, an asteroid more than 30 feet in diameter exploded above South Sulawesi, Indonesia., which according to experts at the NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office, may have been the largest in more than a decade with the energy of three Hiroshima bombs!

rabbithole2.com...

Here is another piece of evidence...Google Trends. Notice the News Ref



I am looking for a NASA article that talks about size and number of times... If refers to refrig size and basketball sized impacts and how often they happen. When I find it I will post it.

reply to post by Austexdude


Posting instances of an event does nothing to support your claim of an increase. It is meaningless other than to show that it does happen.

In the case of fireballs we see that thousands happen every day, yet only a few make it into newspapers. Bolide is just a term that is used to suggest the larger fireballs. It is not a specific term. There is no fixed definition.

reply to post by stereologist


But of course we should never question why, nor gather groups of evidence to show an alternative story or version from the official one, promoted by bankers and self interested elites who run this world like a giant mafia system hellzone and its as plain as the nose on your face, the world is all around.

I would question everything they say, and all bodies of evidence that show the truth and point directions to look are extremely valuable.

reply to post by Unity_99


That's another pointless post from someone that thinks gossip is evidence. Clearly, you having nothing whatsoever of importance to say about an increase in fireballs. If you had anything other than wacky, unrelated remarks to make you'd have probably posted something.

If you do have anything to support the claim of increased numbers of fireballs then please post it.

reply to post by stereologist


I am still looking for that report. I believe it was when CNN had that huge fireball that was recorded all over and was only visible in some northern states. They called NASA on this. I believe it maybe have been their answer was 3-5 years and not 30 years.

reply to post by dragnet53


Sorry for the strong rebuke. It is more likely that you did hear something about the number of fireballs. Every time I hear about a fireball in the news I think about how often I have seen them. Few get reported in the news. Then some lame event makes the news because it went over a concert. Anyways, see what you can dig up. I'm inclined to believe the AMS over what a CNN reporter says.