Wikileaks may not be what you think it is...

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


I'm glad you started this thread. I'm suspicious too.

Wikileaks made it sound like they were executed.

Also, it appears to me that the audio and captions have been altered.

My thought.

Take a video that actually shows the intentional massacre of journalists, and make it look like it was accidental, but still bad.

Wikileaks looks like a reliable, trustworthy source, and the government secretly nabs whistleblowers.

Damn, I'm having trouble trusting anybody these days.

By the way, they're probably raking in the dough through donations.

[edit on 7-4-2010 by 911stinks]

I find it interesting that after a major release that embarrassed the United States government that rumors are coming out about Wikileaks being one of the bad guys. I wouldn't be surprised if the more fringe mail lists start seeing the similar stories about how Wikileaks is secretly part of the CIA or such.

Really, this sounds more like discrediting the messenger. Similar to what is done with most of the corporate whistle blowers. Make them appear to be what they are not to destroy their message. We have all seen this. They are painted as disgruntled ex-employees with debt, alcohol or psychological problems. Someone that has a grudge and a clouded mind whom can't be trusted. Now Wikileaks will be the secret counter intelligence agency who is collecting names of people to round up later. Someone you shouldn't trust or give information to.

[edit on 7-4-2010 by Kaploink]

It seems that Wkikleaks has been around for about 4 years. You can read about it at Wikipedia. I would give their history a lot of credibility, however their recent removal of the entire archive due to what is described as a funding issue is suspicious. There's no reason to remove archived material except to try to make it disappear.

If all of the older stuff is put back online when the money thing is resolved I would assume that all is ok and Wikileaks is relatively trustworthy. Otherwise, if the historical material is gone permanently, I would suspect a takeover. In that case there's no way I would trust them enough to submit new material.

No offense to the OP, but threads like this are the reason I barely come on here anymore let alone believe whats even in the thread. He said it himself its just "speculation" no proven facts no news. ATS is an "alternate news source" not somewhere for "wanna-be" journalist to publish their stories trying to make it big in the conspiracy world. If you have something then prove it, but if you dont please direct threads like to these to the appropriate place which is BTS (belowtopsecret.com the link is at the top of the page) I'm sry to have to say this in your thread just tired of wasting time reading peoples incoherent ramblings with no truth and nothing proven, just like when ppl keep posting threads from the most unreliable news sources its just awful how this place is going down the conspiracy crapper and turning into a tabloid. Just a shame

[edit on 7-4-2010 by Jeffdogg]

[edit on 7-4-2010 by Jeffdogg]

Originally posted by Kaploink
I find it interesting that after a major release that embarrassed the United States government that rumors are coming out about Wikileaks being one of the bad guys.
[edit on 7-4-2010 by Kaploink]

Frankly, I find it better than saying, "war is hell"

I don't work for the government, do you?

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

What if this is all a scam to get people who may have sensitive or secret information to send it in? They couldn't have set a better trap, if that is the case.

If it sounds to good to be true, then it might be!

Its kind of like those Stings the police do to lure in people with warrents: Send them scams of free vacation and you just show up and claim your prise. Then they got you.

If I had sensitive material and I wanted it out, I'd burn it to a few hundred cd's and mail them, not upload it! You migt lose everything you have!

Good morning,

You may be right. But who owns the website? Let's begin tracking from that point.

I do find it very strange that the name Wikileaks appeared on all major msm tv stations in the US.

Looks like a TRAP.

[edit on 7-4-2010 by magnetix]

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

WikiLeaks

Click here to make a secure submission

Which will take you to this form...

secure....__._/

Very enticing... almost got me.

Almost!

[edit on 6-4-2010 by Fractured.Facade]

I am very confused about this right off the bat. Either this thread is a hoax or I am missing something really basic here. The submission page "ALMOST" got you, almost? In the OP it says

Using s secure computer at a secure location I used this contact/submission form...

secure.__._...

I sent two files, a very brief edited video, and a text file.

So did they get sent or "almost" sent?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

WikiLeaks

Click here to make a secure submission

Which will take you to this form...

secure....__._/

Very enticing... almost got me.

Almost!

[edit on 6-4-2010 by Fractured.Facade]

I am very confused about this right off the bat. Either this thread is a hoax or I am missing something really basic here. The submission page "ALMOST" got you, almost? In the OP it says

Using s secure computer at a secure location I used this contact/submission form...

secure.__._...

I sent two files, a very brief edited video, and a text file.

So did they get sent or "almost" sent?

this thread as he stated in the OP is nothing more then "speculation" aka "waste of time"

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


I was thinking over the recent video.

And some of my own personal thoughts are, despite how horrific the video is. And the despite the fact I like many are angry with government.

I couldn't bring myself to immediately feel more disgusted with the military. Something was so off about it, when I watched it.

I finished with the feeling that it's another TPTB power play using media propoganda to make people more angry. That the video is one of the most elaborate hoaxes, because maybe something actually related to national security happened during the event, and knowing the government can't ever officially comment.

They made a video to sway opinion.

Just my 0.02

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Almost as in sending in more than what I did.

As for the theory, I haven't made any conclusions yet.

The computer I used was not mine, and a contact suggested that I do it the way I did before sending them everything I have.

The computer I used was suppose to be as secure as possible, and the owner is certain that the freeze up was an attempt to access that computer and files.

I am not here to discredit wikileaks, I actually wanted to work with them and have some material investigated and reported.

As others have said, for all I know wikileaks website itself could be hacked by the feds. Or it could be a trap, either way I have enough doubts that I will not use them.

reply to post by 517.101

maybe, maybe not. i personally want to believe wikileaks is standing up for the good guys, but something doesn't make sense about the way they hyped the video for + 2 weeks.(i mean are you trying to help society or are you a tv show promoting for ratings. i don't get it.) plus i bet tptb are alot better at setting traps than most here are at sniffing them out. so i guess we all have a choice: be naive and celebrate this small victory or be wise and trust no one. the latter goes along with the curse of being an out of work exterminator with a promiscuous wife who unwittingly raises another mans son. dont ask me why, i dont make the rules.

[edit on 7-4-2010 by riffraff]

Has any one seen the coloured version of the video? well here it is

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Almost as in sending in more than what I did.

Not following. Either you fell for it and submitted something or you did not.

As for the theory, I haven't made any conclusions yet.

The computer I used was not mine, and a contact suggested that I do it the way I did before sending them everything I have.

The computer I used was suppose to be as secure as possible, and the owner is certain that the freeze up was an attempt to access that computer and files.

I am not here to discredit wikileaks, I actually wanted to work with them and have some material investigated and reported.

As others have said, for all I know wikileaks website itself could be hacked by the feds. Or it could be a trap, either way I have enough doubts that I will not use them.

I have to ask how much do you know about how much this person really knows about that particular computer you were using.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


I did submit something (video and text files), but not enough to be used to conclude anything, to make it clear it was a test.

Edit to add...

Anyone who may be considering using wikileaks should be cautious, and test it first in a similar manner.

If you trust them fully, then no worries right?


[edit on 7-4-2010 by Fractured.Facade]

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Seriously I think your computer freezing up had nothing to do with the files you sent to Wikileaks.
Unless they had someone there 24/7 instantly accessing every single persons PC that sent a file to them, not very realistic. They could maybe store your PC's address, but to do something instantly after you upload a file I doubt it.

[edit on 7-4-2010 by crusaderiam]

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

I did submit something (video and text files), but not enough to be used to conclude anything, to make it clear it was a test.

Edit to add...

Anyone who may be considering using wikileaks should be cautious, and test it first in a similar manner.

If you trust them fully, then no worries right?


[edit on 7-4-2010 by Fractured.Facade]

Then what did you send them exactly? Maybe they do not take kindly to having junk sent to them?

reply to post by K J Gunderson


It wasn't junk.

I can't be any more specific about the content at this time.

There was enough to raise interest, and with more evidence submitted would have been verifiable.

I didn't submit more (thankfully), and I am not going to, I'll have to find another way.

Honestly I'm going back and forth with this and I don't know what to believe. It is really sad that the whole thing has to be questioned, but during these times it is hard to know what people's intentions are. There is too much corruption in the world and it is making everyone question everyones motives. All I know is that I hope that WL has honest good intentions because it is really sad and disgusting what is going on in this war and something needs to be done

dude no offense but you need to lay off the pipe.

I'm starting to believe like others that you're just disinfo. There's no way your computer would freeze while sending a file, aka being hacked. for this it would have to be a trojan horse being there prior. since the computer was secure there is no way for an instant ping hack.

Why can't you send them the whole file with proof anyway? They're going to look at it and disregard since you didn't give them credible sources.

Also something that pisses me off with the so called whistle blowers: why can't you reveal what you have. They already know you have it, you think they can't track you down? i mean if they can "freeze" your "secure" computer surely then can they just knock down your door and make you vanish.

Spew your truth or just shut up. don't build up hyp for nothing no one will care. And also wiki is not the only way to spread the truth.

Set up a well organized, nicely worded presentation and make it go viral, that's how you spread the truth.