Wikileaks Video Released!!

Originally posted by drew hempel
The U.S. has committed GENOCIDE in Iraq:

It was a UN Security Council Resolution.

Plenty of blame to go around, including Saddam Hussein.

www.countercurrents.org...

The Anglo-American Coalition is clearly guilty of horrendous, continuing passive genocide in Occupied Iraq. The basis for this finding is briefly set out below together with requisite references to reputable sources of the underlying information.

According to the top medical journal The Lancet: "the crude mortality rate during the period of war and occupation was 12.3 per 1000 people per year" [5]. In comparison, a conservative estimate of what it SHOULD BE is 4.0 per thousand per year based on current death rates in Iraq's impoverished but peaceful neighbours Jordan and Syria [4]. The "excess" or "avoidable" post-invasion mortality rate is accordingly 12.3 - 4.0 = 8.3 per 1000 people per year. Assuming an Iraqi population of 25 million, the excess mortality (avoidable mortality) after 2 years of UK-US occupation has been 8.3 x 25,000 x 2 = 415,000 = 0.4 million.

It has been estimated, from data published by the UN [4], UNICEF [3] and in the top UK medical journal The Lancet [5], that the under-5 infant mortality and excess mortality (avoidable mortality) have been 1.2 million and 1.5 million, respectively, for Iraq since 1991; 0.2 million and 0.4 million, respectively, for Iraq since the 2003 invasion; and 0.9 million and 1.2 million, respectively, for Afghanistan since the 2001 invasion [6].

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

The intended destruction — or genocide — of Iraq as a state and nation has been ongoing for 19 years, combining the imposition of the most draconian sanctions regime ever designed and that led to 1.5 million Iraqi deaths, including 500,000 children, with a war of aggression that led to the violent deaths of over one million more.

Destroying Iraq included the purposeful targeting of its water and sanitation system, attacking the health of the civilian population. Since 1990, thousands of tons of depleted uranium have been dropped on Iraq, leading in some places to a 600 per cent rise in cancer and leukaemia cases, especially among children. In both the first Gulf War and “Shock and Awe” in 2003, an air campaign that openly threatened “total destruction”, waves of disproportionate bombing made no distinction between military and civilian targets, with schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, shelters, residential areas, and historical sites all destroyed.

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www.guardian.co.uk...

Let me add that more often than not, it is the blocking of contracts by the US/UK which has created immense problems in implementing the oil-for-food programme. The present volume of blocked items amounts to $2.3bn the highest ever.

video.google.com...#

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www.johnpilger.com...

After more than a decade of sanctions, no one on the Security Council wants them, except the United States and Britain. The French foreign minister, Hubert Vedrine, has called them "cruel, because they exclusively punish the Iraqi people and the weakest among them, and ineffective, because they don't touch the regime". Had Saddam Hussein said on television "we think the price is worth it", referring to Unicef's figure of half a million child deaths, he would have been called a monster by the British government. Madeleine Albright said that.

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by time91

 

1 out every 6 soldiers is on anti-depressants.

and the other 5 out of 6 need to be on anti-psychotics!

Fine job good old uncle sam has done for them...

I am so sick of this support the troops malarkey.

You may not agree with me on this, but I liked the comment.

I am not a troop hater, so don't even try to ad hominem me, but these killing machines need to stand up and become ...

Conscientious Objectors.

TPTB cannot fight a war if no one is there to fight it for them.

I am not about shunning the troops, but the statistic concerning anti-depressants is ALARMING to say the least.

Too many video games like the one advertised at the beginning of the video is a HUGE problem.

Albert Bandura did study after study on childhood aggression and proved, empirically, that people can learn without performing the behavior through observation.
(A little bit like the idiot box and video games where you KILL people I would say)

This idea is the foundation for Social Learning Theory.

Until these soldiers, who are fighting in this abomination of an illegal occupation, stand up and realize that they all need to be medicated to perform their tasks of killing other people (and if not then they are sociopaths), and stand up for the Constitution for the united states, to which they have sworn allegiance to DEFEND, and absolutely refuse to engage in this complete farce of an illegal occupation, then they all get what they deserve.

Bring it on haters. I don't care.
Pile on the ad hominems.
This is the truth and the truth hurts sometimes.

I could not for any reason pull a trigger on a weapon and purposely kill a person, unless I MUST do it in order to stop from them from killing me.
IN MY COUNTRY.

These guys sign up and they KNOW what they will be doing.
Period.

They are brainwashed, sure, but they should be held accountable for their actions just like anyone who would do something this repulsively amoral.

This "support the troops" hogwash is another way to say "support the war".

I don't wish harm to anyone, NOT ANYONE, so don't paint me as a hater.

But these fools need to wake up.

WE ARE IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE OF A LIE!!!

If they can't see that and stand up for what is right, then life serves up swift justice.
We need not wish them harm. The statistic says it all.
They already feel the harm.

Belee dat.

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Removed double post.

[edit on 4/6/2010 by dubiousone]

Was it genocide in WW2 when we were killing ze Germans? Wars are generally fought between countries, many countries are made up of a certain ethnic group, that does not make it genocide. Call it illegal, call it a corporate war and this I can understand but genocide it is not.

Originally posted by DavidWright

Political sanctions is not Genocide. * * * .

If its effect is genocide, why not call it what it is?

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Because calling these acts of genocide is just not correct. Sanctions and wars with a specific country are not genocide.

Lets see if this resonates at all. I flip off an African American (I am Caucasian) after he cuts me off in traffic, is it racism if my intent was just to express my anger at being cut off? No, it is not.

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Man with an AK-47 strapped over his shoulder . Do you see anything in the video that looks like this ?

www.fotosearch.com...

Originally posted by dubiousone

Originally posted by DavidWright

Political sanctions is not Genocide. * * * .

If its effect is genocide, why not call it what it is?

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It's effect is not Genocide......

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

This is the main definition of genocide.......Sanctions over a hostile invading country make the US guilty of genocide?

Corrupt UN Oil for Food programs that did not feed all the people because of many hands in the pot are all on the United States. This is genocide on their part?

The Holocaust was genocide.

Saddam killing and gassing his people was genocide.

Ethnic cleansing in Bosnia was genocide.

Economic sanctions are NOT genocide.

here's my 2 cents...

No point in abusing anyone. And the statement going around, "that's war", doesn't stand with me.

That's just mass murder. Good work Wikileaks!

Anyone know if the government and military is in damage control yet?
It's too bad that Wikileaks gave them more than enough time to prepare a contigency for this though.

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reply to post by rogerstigersI admire the journalists who had their names on the credits at the end of this film, and the effort to make this known to the public...This is disgraceful...the idea that there was a battle as stated by a man in the helicopter who shrugged off the idea that children had been involved and should not have been taken to a battle is so outrageous as to be unbelievable...there was no such thing as a battle at all..not even the cameras were ever pointed at the helicopters to warrant engaging in gunfire of any kind...so it is a total fabrication to believe that this act should ever be approved in any way...fortunately, Reuters has had the courage and the guts to demand answers...but as usual, which is true in war, people will lie...that has been proved conclusively and we now know who the liars are...thanks and kudos to the group who have released this video...it should become the talk of the town...but you know politics and war...all is fair!

It is mass killing when you use sanctions to indirectly starve and deprive a large population.

When they do that they are not punishing the elite of that country, only the poor and if it's still around...middle class.

I think U.S. efforts is far to sophisticated to be labeled, simply genocide.

All I can say, "puke" I can totally believe it. Makes me sick when I see things like this. I've pulled a trigger plenty of times, and have never chuckled about it. People like that truly scare me. Makes me scared for what this world is becoming. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for self defense. But shooting kids like you're playing a video game from a birds eye view? well......................... Makes my stomach turn a little, Ya Follow!!

I agree with what most are saying here, but try putting yourself in the soldiers spot. Tiny 6in monitor scared of death and possibly looking for action. The cameras could look like weapons. What really gets me is that it looks like a tragic mistake and that it was covered up to protect those involved. WE NEED to hold those responsible accountable.

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We have delved off topic again. I am sorry for contributing to this. Genocide is not the topic at hand, the Govt constantly lying to us (not just us Americans) is what we should be focused on. That, and spreading the word to as many people as possible. While this may sound callused, 15 deaths is kind of a non event when you compare it to the amount of death preceding. This video at least illustrates the horrors of war and I think it will wake a lot of people up you were otherwise complacent.

i wasnt gonna post on this thread.....

1 i want to see the complete unedited video.
2 how these people even peaked the interest of the pilot and gunner
3. no press markings
4. theres a apache ah-64 circling overhead you and you crouch behind a building? theres no way you wouldnt hear it.
5. then group up
6. the pilot and gunner did act on command authority
7. were there were troops in the area receiving fire or ?
8. the van with the kids? not arguing them getting hurt is bad but as a parent im in a war zone and i see or hear a gunship overhead my first thought would be to immediately leave the area. no markings as a press vehicle?
9. as journalists do they not have a responsibilty to notify the military where they are going to be at any given time to make sure to dont die.

theres alot of unknowns here and to bash and hate is not a wise thing to do until you know..

stop the us military hating and theres alot of it in this thread.
they are the reason why you can sit there and hate.





[edit on 6-4-2010 by neo96]

It appears as if this has cracked the MSM...

Front Page of CNN World Edition
www.cnn.com...

and also on MSNBC
www.msbc.com...

After seeing this video a bit earlier, I was very surprised when I saw this on these sites. Perhaps there is hope yet..

-SM

Originally posted by sparky8251
I agree with what most are saying here, but try putting yourself in the soldiers spot. Tiny 6in monitor scared of death and possibly looking for action. The cameras could look like weapons. What really gets me is that it looks like a tragic mistake and that it was covered up to protect those involved. WE NEED to hold those responsible accountable.

How can you say that? What were they scared of? The images on their video monitor? It was stated earlier in this thread that the Apache was a good distance away from the people on the ground. At that range the people they massacred with high caliber lead were no threat at all to the Apache or its occupants. It was unjustified homicide, murder, in every sense. Why do you minimize what these Apache pilots and gunners did?

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