CIA intelligence officer sheds light on conspiracy theories

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I've always been impressed by your presentation. There are other eloquent contributors here as well. Personally, if I find the information presented at least as well as I may have been able to construct and of course in agreement with the subject content, a S&F might be my only contribution. I'm a bit new here but agree with many viewpoints and don't find objectional ones worthy of response, can't understand flame wars between opposing viewpoints - or using the ignore button. Similarly I like to show my support without necessarily cluttering the thread with atta boys and lame postings because the expression of the thought is already more perfect than I could have made it. Probably comes from drinking the firehoses instead of mining the forums directly.

Not saying anyone's writing intimidates me, except for maybe urgent U2Us or anything from owners/admins/mods. I do prefer the opportunity to listen and learn over the opportunity to expound my ignorance, mostly.

gj

reply to post by warpcrafter


Little short on timing but great call - about 4 hours middle of page two.

Doesn't seem to picking up much serious traction though.

gj

I found the videos of the former CIA guy quite interesting, but what always gets me about these theories where it all leads back to families like the Rothschilds controlling it all is this; can you have too much money or power?

You own your own island, hell you own 15 islands in the Carribean, all with their own golf courses. You probably have your own private army, you could do anything you wanted really - you're basically playing life in god mode. The fact is though that you, like everyone else, will die sooner or later - wouldn't it get boring just amassing wealth, power, secrets? Surely the 24th trillion wasn't that much different from the 15th?

Maybe I'm overestimating these people.

The headline for this thread is misleading in that the supposed agent, Steele, does not claim to have been an actualCIA agent, and he does not even mention the agency. Yes, you can draw that conclusion from what he says, and he may have stated such elsewhere, but we really don't know that from his own words in this piece.

If you follow closely the UFO field for a long period of time, you absolutely know that there are legions of people out there claiming to be insiders now spilling their guts. The same goes for this new field of exploitation: Claim to have knowledge and make money giving lectures, etc.

I find it absolutely ludicrous that having cited his years of experience in the "business" that he cites a book by Jim Marrs for opening his eyes. (And I have nothing against Jim Marrs.)

Something he said about an organization, movement, group or something for sharing information freely? Do you know what he was referring to?

Thanks - Good stuff

Originally posted by VonDoomen
Very cool find!

I never watched the movie or read the book. Would you recomend it?

Honestly I thought the movie was quite bland... The ideas were good, but not really put to good use.

The idea that this movie is a comedy is well... just that, an idea. I did not laugh one time, the humor is very subtle, a smile or two maybe appeared from my face but that's about it.

I recommend the movie if you want to get an idea of what it's all about (obviously), but if you are looking for entertainment I think you're looking at the wrong movie.

Originally posted by Starwatcher
IMO the movie was horrible, the only funny parts were the ones seen in the trailors.

However this Steele guy is interesting, he seems to hit the nail right on the head with everything he says. We need more men of this stature to speak out and get the word across to the general public.

edit to add, I shouldnt say the movie was horrible

Just something I wouldnt spend money to see.

I can be a bit harsh in the morning.

[edit on 4-4-2010 by Starwatcher]

You're not being harsh.

The movie was complete garbage.

They would have been better off doing a more serious mockumentary approach.

Back on topic...

This guy worked for the CIA? How do you know that?

Originally posted by highlyoriginal

Originally posted by VonDoomen
Very cool find!

I never watched the movie or read the book. Would you recomend it?

Honestly I thought the movie was quite bland... The ideas were good, but not really put to good use.

The idea that this movie is a comedy is well... just that, an idea. I did not laugh one time, the humor is very subtle, a smile or two maybe appeared from my face but that's about it.

I recommend the movie if you want to get an idea of what it's all about (obviously), but if you are looking for entertainment I think you're looking at the wrong movie.

Are you kidding me? You must not have seen the movie if you say that.

The movie is crap, complete crap. If you want to get an idea of what it's all about, google the topic. The movie is not informative at all.

This movie is nothing more than entertainment, contrary to your completely off base statement. Well, I'm not sure it's entertainment because it's not funny at all and I had to force myself to finish watching it.

Originally posted by Aliensun
The headline for this thread is misleading in that the supposed agent, Steele, does not claim to have been an actualCIA agent, and he does not even mention the agency. Yes, you can draw that conclusion from what he says, and he may have stated such elsewhere, but we really don't know that from his own words in this piece.

Robert Steele talks about signing a secrecy agreement and the CIA reviewing books he's written in the second video I posted.

BTW, the average Yahoo rating of nine prominent film critics who reviewed The Men Who Stare At Goats is a B-. Yahoo users gave it an average C. Like I said, not great, but certainly not horrible.

And Jim Marrs is the best conspiracy author out there.



[edit on 4/4/2010 by GoldenFleece]

Mr. Marrs is definitely the best at covering the conspiracies and popularises the themes through his well-researched and often extremely well written books. Mr. Marrs, Linda Moulton Howe, and Dr. Joseph Farrell are three of the best in the business.

The questions raised by threads like this one have been mentioned above, but I think the real reason more people do not respond on threads like this one is that they are afraid of the trajectory of their thoughts rather than fear of the CIA or MI6. When the man behind the curtain is revealed as Hitler in drag, what can you do with such an idea. And many find themselves frozen for a time after reality dawns upon them. And after some paralysis, some begin to realise that the current paradigm must be shattered and destroyed, and this is where the fearful bits come in.

When we know this information, are we willing to entertain the need for full blown revolution? Are able able to consider on the other hand the assassination and forcible removal of the TPTB? And then you find yourself in truly frightening territory where you are convinced that something must be done so that everyone can enjoy the abundance of this planet free from warfare et al. Are you going to be the person who does something? Are you instead going to join together with like-minded people and do something? And that "doing something" isn't that just code for "killing the monsters and liberating the earth"?

For most of us the idea of a violent removal of the TPTB is terrifying. For example, one may say "I am opposed to killing of any sort. I'm even opposed to death penalties, but in this case I can't see anything but violence as a solution." So what is one to do? Give this thread a star and a flag and keep on moving along?

Everyone who is walking up to this horrifying reality will move very carefully not wanting to become some unhinged conspiracy kook nor raise a red flag as "armed and dangerous". Work like that of Jim Marrs and others does not include a supplement "So what are we to do about the evil CIA?" For my own part I am deeply concerned that TPTB want violence and civil strife. We must avoid that because that is what they want, but we need to bring TPTB to their knees ... do we take up Benjamin Fulford's threats from the Asian secret societies? start a new secret society? ... go rogue?

So much to pray over.....

Originally posted by Springer
I consider Jim Marrs a good friend and I enjoy every minute I get to spend with him. While he doesn't think like anyone else I know, I am grateful he thinks the way he does.

He thinks deeply about the little details most of us either miss completely or, overlook intentionally, his college education in journalism truly honed what I suspect was an already very inquisitive mind.

Don't get me wrong, we've disagreed on several issues but, I don't begrudge his seeing a conspiracy in almost everything because he's been deeply researching the rabbit hole for years. It's hard to do that and walk away unchanged.

This video is important and I hope tens of thousands watch it today. Even if some people think this former agent is a "crackpot", there is absolute truth in some of what he says, and that lends serious credibility to the rest of what he says to me.

As some have said, we can't change anything if we don't know what's really happening.

Springer...

Sir Springer, I am glad to see both you and S/O both on the boards of late and I concur with you; I do hope that the multitudes that visit here every day do take the time to watch the vids, and perhaps it will stimulate another level of cranial activity.

As you say, we can't fix it if we do not know what is broken or to what degree, or the depth.. We the people, thanks in part to the efforts of you and the other 2 amigos, do have these forums to share our thoughts and voice our opinions.

We the People... famous words, but hopefully more will awaken to the profound depth of that simple sentence, and realize that it is up to us to change what we are being confronted with as more and more is being revealed.



seeker

You say:
"Robert Steele talks about signing a secrecy agreement and the CIA reviewing books he's written in the second video I posted."

My point is and you amplify that for me, and I paraphrase with your comment above "(just) talks" is just the point. Give us solid inof of where he went to school, studies, degrees and when, and the titles of the books he has written about the CIA, etc.

I'm sorry, but this guy does not seem like a James Bamford type in what has been presented on this thread. Know what I mean?




[edit on 4-4-2010 by Aliensun]

Originally posted by SirPsychoSexy

Originally posted by highlyoriginal

Originally posted by VonDoomen
Very cool find!

I never watched the movie or read the book. Would you recomend it?

Honestly I thought the movie was quite bland... The ideas were good, but not really put to good use.

The idea that this movie is a comedy is well... just that, an idea. I did not laugh one time, the humor is very subtle, a smile or two maybe appeared from my face but that's about it.

I recommend the movie if you want to get an idea of what it's all about (obviously), but if you are looking for entertainment I think you're looking at the wrong movie.

Are you kidding me? You must not have seen the movie if you say that.

The movie is crap, complete crap. If you want to get an idea of what it's all about, google the topic. The movie is not informative at all.

This movie is nothing more than entertainment, contrary to your completely off base statement. Well, I'm not sure it's entertainment because it's not funny at all and I had to force myself to finish watching it.

My 'off base' statement? I was agreeing the movie was bad... so I don't quite get why you're making an 'off base' statement...?

The movie did suck, horribly. I guess because I used a better way to explain how the movie sucked, unlike your "the movie is crap!" statement, I must obviously have not gotten through to you. But okay, yeah I'll come straight out and agree with you - it was complete and utter crap!

The movie is pretty good but the book is much better.

The movie went to great lengths to make individuals seem a lot "less stable" than they really were.

It seemed like the movie writers wrote Ed Dames into the characters of all the "psychics", which would naturally make a character seem not so stable and fantastical.


I am actually quite surprised at the lack of discussion about this book on ATS.

The book would be a very good read for just about everyone on ATS. I kind of figured it would be towards the top of everyones list....


The movie would not make you think this, but, the whole premise of the book is to demonstrate that our 'leaders' are crazy and believe in some pretty wacky stuff.

But, in doing so it demonstrates that this "wacky stuff" is quite real.

Given the nature of the topic, the book can also be humorous at times.

I definitely suggest that you all go out and read the book or listen to the audiobook!!

reply to post by GoldenFleece


So if one CIA officer comes out and says "We killed Kennedy" you praise him as a hero and believe anything he tells you


Another CIA officer comes forward and says "thats a lie" and you call him a liar and a government conspirator?

You people really need to figure yourselves out.

Most "conspiracy theorists" i meet are nothing but narrow minded hypocrites.

Some are not, but unfortunately, the idiot masses that are, are what give good CTers a bad name.

reply to post by Snarf

Already happened -- E. Howard Hunt made a deathbed confession to his son. Did you miss it?

The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt
He was the ultimate keeper of secrets, lurking in the shadows of American history. He toppled banana republics, planned the Bay of Pigs invasion and led the Watergate break-in. Now he would reveal what he'd always kept hidden: who killed JFK

Hey great post S&F! Here is another video where Steele points out the importance of the internet in defeating "rule by secrecy".

reply to post by Brahmanite


After having watched the entire Our Crazy Leaders documentary from the link posted on the second page, I see what too many is a disturbing trend in this, but is a typical trend for the military.

Almost every technological, medical and pharmaceutical advancement that we take for granted in our day to day lives was first pioneered for a military application, and then 10, 20, or 30 years down the road, developed into commercial everyday applications, once our military no longer exclusively possessed the technology anymore amongst the militaries of the world.

Even the Internet was first developed to be an alternative military communications system in the event that telephone and radio communications were disrupted by a nuclear strike.

While the old saying is that the necessity is the mother of invention, it seems on our war strewn and prone planet that the greatest necessity is for the military to look constantly for newer, better, more efficient and effective ways to kill, dominate and control.

Enter New Age thinking, psychics, mystics, dabblers in the occult and paranormal, and people looking to broaden, expand and evolve the powers of the human mind. ATS has a couple of forums for such aficionados, Psychic and Paranormal Activities and the Gray Area.

What we are in fact really seeing behind the Hollywood hype, the New World Order despair, is the Military actually wanting to be once again the forefront of a breakthrough, but instead of technology the power of the human mind.

In other words, as crazy as it is, the U.S. Military wants to be in the vanguard of Human Evolution.

The difference between them and most New Agers, is that most New Agers are looking for an elevated type of life, understanding, peace and harmony, by tapping into the inherent and little known powers of the human mind, while the Military as usual is looking to tap into them to kill people.

Now the scary part is a lot of people consider the Elites to be occultists, Satanists, mystics, dabblers in esoteric knowledge, call it what you will, but the fact that the Elites who own and control the Military Industrial Complex, see this as an avenue of realistic exploration and growth for the Military, in my mind, leads me to believe, that they actually believe that some of these things are realistically obtainable.

Now that might seem crazy to a lot of people, but eventually, if such untapped powers of the mind do exist, humanity is going to evolve one day to utilize them.

When you do look back at thousands of years of scientific evolution, it has always first been developed with a military capacity in mind, and for military purposes, and only then given to the masses as a life enhancing tool.

What we see here truly is the military funded and backed by the elites wanting to be the first to effect the evolution of the human being for military purposes, but as always, it’s bound after 20 or 30 years to then filter down to the masses as a life enhancing tool.

The difference between genius and insanity is something called success, and while a lot of these people come off as being really out there by conventional standards, they are being taken seriously, funded, and encouraged by the wealthiest people in the world and the military industrial complex.

They would and only be doing that and giving such people credence if they thought such things was in fact realistically possible.

What we are actually witnessing here may be the first real evolution of the human species in thousands of years!

Despite the ramifications, from a military perspective, they may be in fact opening a Pandora’s Box that will in a relatively short period of a few decades end up revolutionizing life as we know it, through evolution of the human mind, that in fact might be the one thing, that could finally put all this war and bloodshed to an end someday.

They might be doing it for crazy reasons, but it might in fact not be that crazy at all.

Re: The Drug Thing

Please folks, get it into your heads, drug profits are all part of the underground economy, cash only with no records kept, and, therefore, are totally untraceable. The profits from the sale of illegal narcotics and, to a lesser extent, that of illegal weapons, are the life's blood of covert intelligence operations around the world. The old adage about "following the money trail" is all too true, and the intellgence and crime communities that exist today are completely tapped into all of the bank records that would reveal clandestine actions by persons of hostile intent, if they were to be funded thru conventional means.

This is why narcotics are illegal and will remain so, in spite of international efforts to decriminilize them. These invisible funds support huge initiatives of a decidedly criminal nature by most of the world's governments. It would be impossible for the CIA or the Mossad Or the new KGB or the ISI, etc. to screw over the rest of the world without access to these covert funds. This is the primary reason we're still in Afghanistan. This nation was once and is now, once again, the primary source of illegal opium and heroine. Those Fundy bastards, the Taliban, promised us that they would keep the poppy profits flowing into our covert bank accounts when we helped them to oust the Russians and take control of the country, but then they stabbed the CIA in the back and obliterated the poppy fields. Thanks to the coalition of the willing, the poppy production was increased by over 25% last year, according to the Washington Post, and the Afghani's now have a bumper crop in hash and pot as well! Business as usual stands triumphant and the American people can sleep at night secure in the knowledge that the billions of dollars that are collected from this dubious enterprise willnot benefit them one iota!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Psi abilities are inherent in the human mind currently. It is not supernatural or hokey in any way. It is merely a set of very sublime sensory organs providing additional sensory input beyond the 5 senses we normally observe.

These 5 senses, actually, are very strong and overpower the more sublime senses, so that when one of the "PSI" senses actually is able to break through all the noise, we percieve it as strange and call it "PSI".

Ingo Swann, in my opinion, has developed the most logical theory on what the mind is and what it is capable of. I heartily suggest reading his information on "Superpowers of the Human Biomind".