ALERT!!!!!!! Provost Marshals serve governors

reply to post by kinda kurious


god thats one thing about ATS that is so frustrating over and over again: when people assume something because its how THEIR WORLDVIEW perspective is constructed! i.e.: this "mob" that I hear a few people talking about. the fact is NOBODY ON ATS KNOWS WHO WOULD BE "IN CHARGE" POST CIVIL WAR IN THE U.S. (hypothetically, of course..)!!! If Im wrong about that, I can DEFINITELY SPEAK FOR YOU AND I ON THAT (unless you can WITHOUT A DOUBT TELL ME WITH 100% CERTAINTY WHO WOULD BE. you can prove me a fool by simply telling me who. who is this "mob"? specifically, what are their names?) BECAUSE I DONT KNOW WHO WOULD BE. Just because we "think" things are going to turn out; fact is, neither of US know. And it's REEALLY frustrating coming from YOU- because I just recently started posting on here, but I have quietly looked at ATS for years now (reading my little ufo tales and govt. conspiracy, weighing peoples' viewpoints and trying to silently being able to respect others' viewpoints) and I have come to recognize repeat posters on ATS, and I actually RESPECT ALOT OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE BROUGHT INTO DISCUSSION ON HERE. But this "mob" I keep hearing about is SO annoying because its basically like you are saying "when daddys' govt. hand isnt there to feed me, well, then we'll just be thrown to the WOLVES on that note! oh nooo!". Now I know Im not in any type of situation that I would be making any decisions about that as a reality, but Im sure that THROUGHOUT HISTORY whenever things change in the control structure, someone is waiting in the wings to "be the leader" of something, so its not gonna be this "beyond thunderdome" "mob" with "auntie"(tina turner) and "MasterBlaster" makin you shovel pig shet! Please, I appreciate your point of view so please please dont stoop to saying this "mob" will be running things, when the fact is, we dont know. Neither of US, at least. Thank you. ( "WHO run Barter-Town...?)

reply to post by For(Home)Country


charging? who said anything about charging? its already paid for! >>DOUBLE BAILOUTS

Originally posted by kinda kurious
reply to post by 12.13.2012

 

Hey since you are letting things sink in, soak on this:

^^^ HAHA that was funny how you put that, tho...

reply to post by Emptiness Dancing


Ah here we have it.

www.youtube.com...





The CNN video where the reporter states, "Well, I talked to a man named Clive Boustred who helped design the website for this group.

He says that at this point they have about 2000 members, that they're growing rapidly, he says there are a a lot of regular folks in the movement.

But also people inside and outside government, and he says some people in the military.

And, he says frankly, they hope this letter gets them even more publicity so they'll get more members."

She brings up Clive Boustred at 2:18.

What was that? Sam Kennedy denies knowing him?

Sounds an awful lot to me like Clive Boustred feels he is involved enough to speak for the group. He refers to the movement as "we" and "they".

Just how involved is a simple web host and web designer again? Why would a web designer opt to speak to a CNN reporter about a website he is simply hosting?

So what's the deal? Why deny this guy? What is behind that, Sam? (Since you just posted above me?)

reply to post by 12.13.2012


I was replying to

Originally posted by XPLodER


lets say 5% of GDP IS WHAT THE FED CHARGES YOU FOR PRINTING YOUR MONEY

That's what I was questioning.

reply to post by For(Home)Country


yea, ok, I thought when I read it that he meant it in the context of unilaterally: the total amount(s) of 2 bailouts meant that the federal reserve already factored in the 5% as a "service fee" that they decided. They are, as Im sure you know, a privitized corporation, and in no way a part of the >The United States Federal Government<

* for those who dont know: the federal reserve is a third party corporation that The United States Government comissions to print federal reserve notes that we use in lieu of a bank not that represents a gold standard and american currency is no longer representative of gold and silver. (the actually say "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE" with no mention at all of gold or silver on the note(s).)

[edit on 3-4-2010 by 12.13.2012]

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Libertygal

 

Wow, speaking as if something is a fact and accusing others of lying.

I posted proof now. Sam Kennedy is obfuscating the truth about Clive Boustred, or he should be dang pissed off about this guy speaking to CNN reporters about "their" movement, and being willing to openly discuss how many members they have, and that they have military and government members.

Keep in mind one thing, sir. If he has the access to "help" build a website, and he is hosting it? That means he has access to all of the information of the members that sign up. Names, phone numbers, etc. Whatever information each member provided, he has access to the database.

In a supremely sensitive situation like this, where a member signing on would expect the utmost in privacy, would you not have a fit about who did and did not have access to this? I can *assure* you SkepticOverlord has a tight reign over who can access his membership database.

I stand by my accusation that you have been lied to at least once now, about Clive's involvement. I think I have provided discernable fact on it.

Why do they want more members? Because then he can use his Coppercards scam! Think outside what you wish for, step back and look at the big picture. It is his Big Idea for a New and Improved Federal Reserve Bank replacement!

Then to insinuate someone sounds *a lot* like someone.

I did insinuate it. YOU have no idea who the people are that are being broadcast on these shows. NONE. For you to blindly sit there and accept it because you want it *so* badly to be true doesn't make it any less credible that they sound ALIKE.

Wow, I thought the idea of this site was to get to the bottom of things. Not to spread more innuendo and propaganda.

Well, I got to the bottom of one lie for you, sir. Do I fit in now as a member in standing in your eyes? Shucks, I like being foe'd, because it means I present you with an excellent argument.

You just came off my friends list.

That's too bad. You let facts interfere with your friendships. That I will not blindly follow you, a self professed leader, I am no longer your friend. So your friends cannot have different opinons? What's really sad is that I friended someone like you to begin with. I had *no* idea this is how you were.

I think they call that "Fair Weather Friend", no?

So what happened to not attacking the poster, and attacking the message? Oh wait, you can't because it is TRUTH. You just don't like it, for whatever reason.

www.youtube.com...

Listen at 2:18

Originally posted by For(Home)Country

Originally posted by XPLodER
with the debt being racked up in your name to refinance the banks

id like to explain the math

lets say 5% of GDP IS WHAT THE FED CHARGES YOU FOR PRINTING YOUR MONEY

lets say the money going to the banks is charged at 13% EXAMPLE FIGUAR

fed is owned by the banks that the fed bailed out tresury supplies the money and your on the hook

so if that 18% was still in the us economy year to year

Please explain why the Fed is charging to Print money? I don't think this is logical.

the fed prints the noney at interest and is the first bank to USE the money and therefore gets to charge interest on a note they created out of thin air

then at interest they loan it to a trading bank who gets it second and charges more money to you the lender

EVERY NOTE IN CIRCULATION OWES INTEREST ON IT WHILE IT IS IN CIRCULATION

this interest goes to the federal reserve for all notes and electronic money created out of thin air


edit 4 clarity

[edit on 3-4-2010 by XPLodER]

reply to post by Libertygal


no, its because "deny ignorance" is just a bumper sticker slogan to some people. I dont even understand that why people would WANT to come onto a website where "official story's" are being scrutinized - AND DEFEND THE OFFICAL STORY?? If we are asking questions that we sometimes find the answers less than pleasing, does that mean we should alleviate it by just going along with the official story? That is TOTALLY contridictory to the phrase: "DENY IGNORANCE".

*edit: if the official story turns out to be true at the end of the day, well then so be it. But is it not kinda our resposibility to see if there is ANY OTHER POSSIBLE CONCLUSION before we just accept what we have been told? So often nowadays, it becomes more and more like Orwells' "Winston Smith" character had described the world in "1984"! We owe it to ourselves to at least go see who's behind the curtain? right...? Something smells fishy here, and I think Boustred or whatever this mystery mans' name is, is definitely onto the right track. by the way, LibertyGal, I friended you today, so keep searching for the TRUTH< because when its all said and done with, we'll ALL be pissed we didnt try harder to find it when it was still an option!

[edit on 3-4-2010 by 12.13.2012]

reply to post by For(Home)Country


when you imagine that this created money is loaned at interest to the tresury for TARP you pay two times interest. the interest charged for creating the money (ie to print it into existance) then interest is charged to tresury for the loan the amount of interest is large

and the upkeep on the debt in interest goes to the fed

if anything is earned on the tarp loan then the treasury gets it

but the fed charges interest for as long as it is being used by the tresury

sounds crazy but the fed is owned by the banks it bailed out LOL

reply to post by XPLodER


Now I am no expert on American monetary policy, but you have to realize the importance of "printing money out of thin air." Do you know how poor the majority of the people in America would be (and the rest of the world) if money was backed by a Gold standard? The ability for the Government to produce money in an educated manner that corresponds with the world market is what creates so called prosperity, and without it, there would not be enough money to go around.

You simply cannot deny this fact. There is no way around it. Also, I don't believe you fully understand the full effects of the bank interest rates. They use it to properly control inflation, and it is not just some macro economic policy used to piss you off.

More can be learned from six months in an economics class than twelve months on wikipedia.

[edit on 113030p://666 by For(Home)Country]

reply to post by XPLodER


yea, and this is coming from the same people that think that according to UCC "Maritime Law" that they own me, via a coded number on my birth certificate and a social security number that they stamp to a "clone-double" of me that represents the CORPORATION: "MY NAME PRINTED HERE" in all CAPS- without my consent, because I am somehow a form of collateral because they dropped the ball with their greedyness LONGGGG before I was even born, so.. I consider the source. These people are already onto some REDICULOUS concepts about what they own and what not. Just like the Indian man signing an agreement for the sale of land to the U.S. Government, when he laughs and simply smiles and says: "But how can I sell you the land, waters or sky to you- for I do not own them." Even the fact that I have been "sold" into a form of "commodities slavery" as a piece of collateral is VERY insulting to me! to say the LEAST!

reply to post by 12.13.2012


Thank you so much for that kind reply. I was beginning to feel like the bad guy here, being foe'd and taken off friends lists and all.

I thought my research was the right thing, and I still do, because I want to know who the people are, what their motives are and what could be lurking behind the scenes.

I feel that I have provided enough proof to make it at least somewhat questionable about why they would lie about Clive, and the Coppercards scam was the answer. It is their "new form of currency". You trade your dollars for his coppercards, the "currency of the people". Just WOW.

www.dailypaul.com...

How Copper Cards Began
Submitted by xntryk1 on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 09:54
in Daily Paul Liberty Forum
www.reasontofreedom.com...

Wed, 2008-06-25 22:43

How Copper Cards Began
by The Melinda

Clive wrote the first one while he was in jail the second time. By then he had given up on the judicial system, having found that its real function was to generate income for attorneys, judges, law enforcement and their hangers on.
(snip)
In jail he discovered that those behind bars were more likely to be decent men than those who put him there. Murderers, bank robbers; they seemed benign after his experience with those who had tried to kill him. Desperate, he began studying the law. He discovered the Constitution and the history of the Common Law, so different from statute and code. He started seeing what he needed to defend himself.
(snip)

So I was right in my assumptions about how and why he studied law. He has ZERO formal law training. Let's continue:

Using the instructions he wrote for himself he began to fight back, sharing those small instructionals with others. Using what he later called the Arraignment Card against the advice of his highly paid attorneys was empowering. It worked. Facing down the enemy brought him a renewal of lost power.

The system stopped hammering him with law suits. They had filed seven, one after another to stop the company he had founded, a much superior system to the Federal Reserve Bank. Out of jail, Clive Boustred began to think about how he could stop the corruption and give Americans back the justice system their Founders had intended.
(snip)
The number of cards grew. He called them his Copper Cards because copper is the people's metal; not the gold standard but the lowest common denominator that anyone could afford.

Plus, he charges you to sign up for his website!

Nothing to see here, move along.

Thanks again, it's nice to know some people can see the forest for the trees.

ETA - nice to know! I lost one friend and gained another. I feel better heheh.

[edit on 3-4-2010 by Libertygal]

reply to post by 12.13.2012


all of the money given out (outside of tarp) was created out of thin air and all of it is created bering interest. the fed charges interest on all money created for as long as its in circulation this is called usery charges and is interest on the amount created

tarp loan money bears 2 forms of interest, creation by fed interest and loan to tresury interest

these forms of hidden interest is the post with the numbers

hope this helps get your head around this trick of economics

Originally posted by For(Home)Country
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Now I am no expert on American monetary policy, but you have to realize the importance of "printing money out of thin air." Do you know how poor the majority of the people in America would be (and the rest of the world) if money was backed by a Gold standard? The ability for the Government to produce money in an educated manner that corresponds with the world market is what creates so called prosperity, and without it, there would not be enough money to go around.

You simply cannot deny this fact. There is no way around it. Also, I don't believe you fully understand the full effects of the bank interest rates. They use it to properly control inflation, and it is not just some macro economic policy used to piss you off.

More can be learned from six months in an economics class than twelve months on wikipedia.

[edit on 113030p://666 by For(Home)Country]

** ok, thats fair, but if its not compared to a gold or silver standard, than what is it to be compared to? if it is to continue on this track of thinking, and we are going by "it is valued at whatever we believe its value to be", then we will be in the same situation (the elites' money is "greener" than yours, in effect) and it will become exponentially WORSE. Did I not just see the other day on CNN where the U.S. debt is exponentially irrepairable now? It has grown so far out of control that it can NEVER be fully repaid! and that just blew my mind, that CNN said it so casually like they were just updating me on Tiger Woods' genatalia again...I know China cant be happy with the U.S. over that < (the debt, not Tigers' paw)

Originally posted by 12.13.2012

Originally posted by For(Home)Country
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Now I am no expert on American monetary policy, but you have to realize the importance of "printing money out of thin air." Do you know how poor the majority of the people in America would be (and the rest of the world) if money was backed by a Gold standard? The ability for the Government to produce money in an educated manner that corresponds with the world market is what creates so called prosperity, and without it, there would not be enough money to go around.

You simply cannot deny this fact. There is no way around it. Also, I don't believe you fully understand the full effects of the bank interest rates. They use it to properly control inflation, and it is not just some macro economic policy used to piss you off.

More can be learned from six months in an economics class than twelve months on wikipedia.

[edit on 113030p://666 by For(Home)Country]

** ok, thats fair, but if its not compared to a gold or silver standard, than what is it to be compared to? if it is to continue on this track of thinking, and we are going by "it is valued at whatever we believe its value to be", then we will be in the same situation (the elites' money is "greener" than yours, in effect) and it will become exponentially WORSE. Did I not just see the other day on CNN where the U.S. debt is exponentially irrepairable now? It has grown so far out of control that it can NEVER be fully repaid! and that just blew my mind, that CNN said it so casually like they were just updating me on Tiger Woods' genatalia again...I know China cant be happy with the U.S. over that < (the debt, not Tigers' paw)

The sad truth is that you are absolutely right. Now, my studies take place in my home country, so I am only familiar with Canadian economic policy, but I imagine it isn't much different down south. You're money is worth value because society as a whole says so. The five dollars you may have in your wallet is worth about the effort it takes to make five Cokes because society deems it so. It has not much to do with the Government, and more with the fact that the system is so complex, handy, and it works for the most part.

If somehow the entire world decided to switch over to Nuka-cola caps as a form of currency without the permission of the Governments of nations, it would work! Everyone would just have to agree.

And that folks, is the state of your currency.

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by 12.13.2012

 

all of the money given out (outside of tarp) was created out of thin air and all of it is created bering interest. the fed charges interest on all money created for as long as its in circulation this is called usery charges and is interest on the amount created

tarp loan money bears 2 forms of interest, creation by fed interest and loan to tresury interest

these forms of hidden interest is the post with the numbers

hope this helps get your head around this trick of economics

* yes, I knew that was the jist of it, however thank you for clearing that up for me with specifics. Some of this I had heard on Jones a while back, but since I dont really listen to him anymore cause I have come to believe he's a shill, I didnt really know if it was legit info, so thank you. It is definitely a "trick" at the most devious levels. It seems you have a pretty good handle on that aspect of it, and Im glad you are on here to paint it in black and white like that, because these little cretins have manipulated everything around so that its hard to distinguish what is real and what they have invented as just another mechanism for control. I mean, really? Maritime Law?? Who the hell do they really think they ARE..? I've never even been out to SEA! It's BEYOND ABSURD.

reply to post by 12.13.2012


i understand that this idea is repugnant and insulting which is why i would like to say its hard to hear the truth from me please find attached a vid that explains this in the context of english law

i know america is a diff country but it explains the process better than i ever could

www.tpuc.org...

please dont shoot the messenger i had to watch the first 5 mins to get it myself please keep an open mind till you see it for your self

ps thanks to hawk for the link

reply to post by XPLodER


oh, no dude, Im not mad at you. You are working very hard to get the truth out there, so in no way am I insulted with you or displeased with your efforts! Please, keep up the good work! I have heard all this before, and I can see that it is true, I just dont have it down pat like you do. Please, spread the truth wherever you can!

Originally posted by For(Home)Country

Originally posted by 12.13.2012

Originally posted by For(Home)Country
reply to post by XPLodER

 

If somehow the entire world decided to switch over to Nuka-cola caps as a form of currency without the permission of the Governments of nations, it would work! Everyone would just have to agree.

And that folks, is the state of your currency.

no, I still dont think it would come out like that because they could forsee the possibility of us eventually figuring it out, so they had specific points in the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II that actually prohibits us ("we the people") from switching to another 3rd party currency other than the one the Federal Government of the United States has chosen (federal reserve notes). We are pretty far down the rabbit hole, and they have already thought of all the loopholes out of it.