Jaw-dropping paramoralism: "It's Not Pedophilia If the Boys Were Post-Pubescent"

reply to post by kenton1234


Methinks your son is going to grow up to be a VERY wise man

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Should i bring up the Bible passages that protect such behavior or passages from the Koran about it?

I'd love to see them, yes. There are many interpretations of the bible, otherwise there wouldn't be hundreds of radically different branches of Christianity.

In Russian/Greek/Serbian orthodox church, priests are not called "fathers", they don't have Christian schools and priests can marry and have sex. They don't have special powers such as ability to forgive someone for murdering and mutilating other people's children. There are no pedophilia scandals, no witch hunting, no holy inquisition, no nothing, just few old bearded men in black pajamas living in secluded monasteries. The biggest scandals involve government funding construction of churches and priests driving expensive cars.

Two religions, very different behavior. That was my point.

I agree about taking religion way too far. How can someone be normal when he's paid to act god his entire life. Those priests are part of an institution separated from the "normal world", they consider themselves army of god and function as a brotherhood. Many of them will seek ways to protect their brothers because they understand them and their crimes.

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reply to post by Afterall

Research and statistics show that all children develop at different rates. Who's to say because a child is 12-13 years old they're qualified as being post-pubescent? I highly doubt anyone has pulled the raped children's pants down to see if they have begun puberty. With the idea of these children being apart of a congregation they're most certainly targeted prior to their "post-pubescent" state. With that idea in mind, those pastors/pedophiles are initially attracted to the children thus making them "pedophiles" and after months and years of gaining the children and families trust, they/rapists/pedophiles/pastors act on their homosexual urges that have only been repressed and as believed by the Catholic church to be an unnatural sexual orientation.

reply to post by kenton1234


Your kid is smart and he takes after you, your right on they are trying to turn it on the homosexuals and its #e.

Another thing Anyone think Larry King wimped out on this?
Anderson Cooper just HAD to talk about scientology crap... Heck I wanted to see Sinead rip this dude apart, like she did that picture of the pope.

www.youtube.com...#!v=iYw8JR1N90o&feature=related

Its even more powerful now, its at the end.

I really like her. Don't agree all the time, but she stands for what she believes in and that awesome.

[edit on 2-4-2010 by Loki Lyesmyth]

I'm not backing them up but TECHNICALLY he might be right. The TECHNICAL TERM Pedophile I believe refers to children whereas when they're pubescent the term is not pedophilia but Ephebophilia. I could be wrong though.

reply to post by rufusdrak

"I'm not backing them up but TECHNICALLY he might be right. The TECHNICAL TERM Pedophile I believe refers to children whereas when they're pubescent the term is not pedophilia but Ephebophilia."

He can call it whatever makes him sleep better at nights but it's still called raping little children where I come from.

reply to post by predator0187


Whether they are pedophiles or gays they are responsible for what they have done to these children. They must have edited this out of their bibles (so much has been changed or deleted over the centuries)...

Matthew 18:
6 Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

Any church housing these vile people should be empty of Godly people.

To Grumble below....

[edit on 2-4-2010 by SheaWolf]

# the Catholic Church. It truly is the Church of Satan.

If you are a Catholic and you do not leave your church in protest, then you are complicit in child rape.

Originally posted by kenton1234
reply to post by rufusdrak

 

"I'm not backing them up but TECHNICALLY he might be right. The TECHNICAL TERM Pedophile I believe refers to children whereas when they're pubescent the term is not pedophilia but Ephebophilia."

 

He can call it whatever makes him sleep better at nights but it's still called raping little children where I come from.

The point is that people are rarely punished for crimes they did NOT comit. If you want them punished, you need to address the actual crime they comitted. Would accusing them of stealing get them locked up for rape? Would accusing them of murder get them locked up for rape? Would accusing them of pedophilia get them locked up for rape?

No, no, and no. The evidence will show in each case that that is not the crime that happened. Accusing him of child rape - might just get him locked up for rape.

I am sorry that sensational wording trumps logic in this case.

reply to post by predator0187


Predator, this is an excellent find and thread. If you don't mind I will supply a link to a related thread I posted just hours prior to yours being posted. In my thread I took a shot at Donohue also. He deserves it. He's the junk yard dog for the Vatican. He's likely Opus Dei or whatever group is running interference for Ratzinger now. Here's my thread:

1963 letter indicates former pope knew of abuse

I'm likely going to rock some apple carts with what I'm about to write. I will state this is just my opinion based on my experience as a recently former Catholic. For many decades the Catholic Church has had problems recruiting men to the priesthood. The priesthood became splintered at some point. There was and there still exists a percentage of moral men that chose the priesthood over their sexuality. You and I might disagree with their delusional faith but we would likely not have any problem with the way they went about their life paths.

These moral men were and are both heterosexual and homosexual. My opinion is that the priesthood became one of the few harbors for homosexual men in times where society at large was not accepting of them. Many of these men chose the priesthood as a means of dealing with the sexuality that their own faith insisted was sinful. Keep in mind that there was little societal acceptance, there were no gay rights, there was no gay marriage, there were few "open" alternatives. Even if these men had relationships with other homosexual priests or laymen (heterosexual priests had relationships and lapses too) they were still accepted and "forgiven" in the Church.

You might have had an inclination that your parish priest was a homosexual but who cared? No harm, no foul, it wouldn't affect your life. If anything your priest might be a bit more understanding of the daily hardships of the parishioners. We are after all, all "sinners" in the Church's eyes. Homosexuals are good people and there would be no reason to delve further into the issue.

And so, I think we can all agree that there are and were and perhaps have always been homosexual priests in the Catholic Church. My point is that what was a safe harbor for men with what most of us now consider normal adult sexualities also became a haven for damaged deviants. This was the aforementioned "splintering" fo the priesthood. I don't have to elaborate here on how pedophiles take advantage of situations. We can all agree that the daily settings of the Catholic Church were fertile for child predation by adults in power.

And so the pedophile scandals have recently hit the headlines in a big splash. The long string of cover-ups come out. There is still a lot of confusion over alternative sexualities as you likely agree. Perhaps not in your mind but in society at large. What Donohue is doing here is playing on that confusion. Donohue and his Vatican controllers (some likely pedophiles themselves) know that many of the faithful still lump anything other than heterosexuality into the "deviant pool". And so now here he is throwing the homosexual priests to the wolves. And insinuating that abused children wanted these sexual encounters with adults. And so the issue is morphed from there are pedophiles in the Church into the Church has been infiltrated by homosexuals and the victims were accepting sinners.. And this rings true with simple minds as I mentioned before, parishioners might have already suspected their mild-mannered padre of being homosexual. Thus the blame is spread to the homosexual community at large and the now grown victims rather than confined to the Catholic institution that spawned a pedophile haven. It's twisted indeed and that is the card they are playing to save face and remain solvent. And should any authority get tough with the Church you will see Donohue waving the old "the Church does so much more good for the world" flag. I can see it coming.

Now, another of my opinions. One of the main reasons the pedophilia scandals took this long to surface. Homosexuals have been in the Church for centuries. My opinion, I wasn't there! They have climbed into the hierarchy. Cardinals, bishops and perhaps popes. Why wouldn't they? What I think protected the pedophiles was that they, the pedophiles, knew the sexualities and histories of the men around them and above them. They heard confessions after all. They knew the Church's official stance on the subject of homosexuality and how the faithful might react if homosexual priests were outed. How likely is it that back in the 60's, homosexuals in the Church would fear being publicly outed when a pedophile priest was being brought to justice? They all heard each others confessions. Don't you think the situation was ripe for blackmail? "If you hand me over to the authorities I'll tell all!"

We now see the evidence that the Church wanted these deviants to go quietly and that backs my premise. I don't doubt that some of these creeps threatened to bring down the whole house of cards if surrendered to justice. Thus, the Church was likely held captive by the large percentage of homosexuality among it's priests. And that was because the then sexually naive and uneducated public, and the Church had much to do with that, could not discern between the sexual desires of two consenting adults and the psychological desires of a predator. The Church has always screwed with people's minds and sexualities and perhaps that is finally going to bite them in their asses. Bill Donohue's mind-controlled ass would be a good one to start with. Let us pray!

You should be more worried about CPS. Here is a link to Alex interviewing William Fain who is going to release a movie soon on exposing the sicko's in the CPS. This is far more serious than the churches problem, yet you don't hear about it on main stream media.

www.youtube.com...

i beleive that it has come to the point with the nwo and the roman catholic church with there great arrogance they really dont care! feeling as if they have won the game and the true reality needs to get out! everyone can voice there rage, but the truth betold there is probably a child being molested as we speak! just hope people wake up! as this crud has been going on from what i guess since the beginning of civilization or the dawn of roman catholism! time to get way angry and take back this world of ours with a pitch fork. As every one of these tree huggers that keep saying that violence is not the answer, well question for you, how well has this talking been going on with absolutely no results and these elites just keep doing the same old same old, laughing in our faces?

my guess for many ages and the sheeple are not sheep anymore, but lambs! does that sound familiar?

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reply to post by Hemisphere

"These moral men were and are both heterosexual and homosexual. My opinion is that the priesthood became one of the few harbors for homosexual men in times where society at large was not accepting of them."

Here we go again. Men who have sex with other men are homosexuals. Men who like to have sex with children are pedophiles. There are many places all over the world where a homosexual man can go and have sex with with another man. A pedophile will seek out an occupation where he can have contact with children i.e. Scout master, Teacher, Catholic priest ect....
These pedophile priest are not having sex with or raping other men they are raping little children.
My opinion is that the priesthood became one of the few harbors for pedophiles where society at large will never accept them. Also in society a pedophile goes to prison but in the catholic church they go to another parish.



[edit on 2-4-2010 by kenton1234]

[edit on 2-4-2010 by kenton1234]

Attacking catholics is just petty, same as it is for the Catholics who attack the gays.

It's the fault of the individual and that's it. Shoot them and have done with it.

Hahahaha are you kidding me? This coward REALLY thinks it's the fault of the gays?! I find that hilarious! And people actually go for this BS..

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I'll skip my normal tirade against the RCC but offer this if anyone would like to do further research:

www.bishopaccountability.org...

Thousands of Catholic clergy and religious have raped and sodomized tens of thousands of children—perhaps more than 100,000 children—since 1950. These crimes were committed in secret, and bishops nurtured that secrecy. Nearly 15,000 survivors have broken through the silence, and their accounts have created an in-depth picture of the crisis

It is a matter of public record that U.S. bishops have knowingly transferred thousands of abusive priests into unsuspecting parishes and dioceses, placing fear of "scandal" ahead of the welfare of children. The bishops themselves have apologized for what they call their "mistake," but they say nothing about the crucial actions that constitute accountability.

Skip the "Survivor's Accounts" if you have a weak stomach. (One boy was molested at his father's funeral.) I believe the website was a mandatory requirement as part of a settlement as opposed to being voluntary. (BTW, the Catholic apologists can spare me the statistics about the abuse compared to other religions.)

STATS:
The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Priests and Deacons

"God bless this broom as we sweep our misdeeds under the rug of righteousness."


Regards...kk


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reply to post by Afterall


I cannot believe your coming up with an intellectual 'out' for these bastards!

So, if their rape victims are 12 or 13, that somehow means they are no longer children then does it? Despite your definition or the probable closet paedophile that defined it, MY definition of a snake in the grass, morally vacant, evil child rapist is a paedophile.

These 'people' deliberately slither their way into positions of perceived trust and authority with access to many children as their ultimate goal.

That's is called 'Grooming'. Raping a minor is child molestation and sexual and mental abuse. I do not see or accept the distinction. Frankly, i believe only someone with similar sexual proclivities would.

Originally posted by kenton1234
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

"These moral men were and are both heterosexual and homosexual. My opinion is that the priesthood became one of the few harbors for homosexual men in times where society at large was not accepting of them."

 

Here we go again. Men who have sex with other men are homosexuals. Men who like to have sex with children are pedophiles. There are many places all over the world where a homosexual man can go and have sex with with another man. A pedophile will seek out an occupation where he can have contact with children i.e. Scout master, Teacher, Catholic priest ect....
These pedophile priest are not having sex with or raping other men they are raping little children.
My opinion is that the priesthood became one of the few harors for pedophiles where society at large will never accept them. Also in society a pedophile goes to prison but in the catholic church they go to another parish.

You did not understand my post. Yes moral men, both heterosexual and homosexual, became priests and did not take advantage of children. I doubt you read my post through. There continues to be a "lumping", whether we like it or not, in many people's minds of homosexuality with pedophilia. This is part of what Donohue is deliberately alluding to and encouraging in the posted video clip to cloud the issue. He is playing to some people's naivety. He is also saying in essence that the majority of the 12-13 year old victims were consenting participants in these acts of violence.

By Donohue throwing out that the victims were mostly post-pubescent, he is not so subtly equating a 12 year old to a full grown man or woman. You said: "Men who have sex with other men are homosexuals." No kidding! What Donohue is saying is that the priest is a man and the post pubescent 12 year old is a man, sexually, and so this is homosexuality not pedophilia. He is framing these incidents as acts of consenting homosexuality rather than acts of violence with a victim and perpetrator. I dare to say that the vast majority of victims were not consenting to the sex acts with these adults.

My opinion was that the priesthood became a safe harbor for a number of groups, pedophiles among them, that were not accepted and in the case of pedophiles will not be accepted by society at large. Of course children are the enticement. I don't disagree with most of what you've written, I think you did not fully understand what I had written nor the politics on display in the video. My intent was to clarify why this took so long to be uncovered and why it was covered up at all. Just my opinions.

PS

Kenton, please keep in mind I'm writing in terms of what I think spawned this decades ago. I'm talking the 1960's and earlier. You said "There are many places all over the world where a homosexual man can go and have sex with another man." I assume you mean NOW. I'm not homosexual, so I can't say for certain but I think those places were let's say more "limited" many decades ago. And thus my assertion that decades ago the Church was a safe, let's say career choice, for homosexual men. Especially those who were Catholic and were guilted into hiding their sexuality. I'm not attacking homosexuals, I'm simply pointing out what I think evolved in the Church. And thus I assert that homosexual priests have been and will continue to be the scapegoats in these scandals. Again, my opinion.

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reply to post by inlandempire88


The people are not being dumbed down to believe and accept any old twaddle are they!

Unreal isn't it.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
There should be a special place in hell for those who have abused these children whilst hiding behind the almighty church and their powerful legal defense teams, influence over governments and governing bodies, the news media etc.

All are complicit, all should be condemned to that special place in hell.

May they all rot there for eternity.

There should be a special place in prison for these people and for those who cover it up, and maybe those who attend catholic church. How can anyone be a part of a church that is laced with sexual criminal behavior against children? As long as this church is around,there will be sexual perverts out to get the children. Of course, there are perverts in other religious churches as well. Why would anyone want to be associated with this is beyond my imagination.