Internet without laws 'a recipe for anarchy

Internet without laws 'a recipe for anarchy

news.ninemsn.com.au

Communications minister Stephen Conroy has defended Australia's proposed internet filter by arguing that allowing websites to remain uncensored is a "recipe for anarchy".
In an interview with Fairfax Media, Senator Conroy said that the internet was not "special" and should be censored in the same way as books, films and newspapers.

"This argument that the internet is some mystical creation that no laws should apply to, that is a recipe for anarchy and the wild west," he said.

"I believe in a civil society and in a civil society people behave the same way in the physical world a

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I again and again believe that Australia is used by TPTB as a test subject due to our complacency, to find a way to implement the change that is in line with their agenda.

Australia has been so blinded with the true agenda. I believe that this is the reason for us being the test subjects for the implementation of the desire of TPTB.

But they do not realize that Americans stands strong in their constitution where this test does not work.

I would like to have your comments and beliefs in relation to this, especially if you are Australian.

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[edit on 1-4-2010 by DarksDeception]

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the internet is completely voluntary, and thus requires absolutely no laws.


dont like it? dont use it.


::addition:: everybodies stuck on this notion that the internet is a "public place". i think society should do a little homework on networks and learn what the internet actually is. private connections of privately owned hardware.


[edit on 1-4-2010 by LurkerMan]

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With respect, i think you are missing the whole point of the article. This is about control over the internet, and your freedom to gain and decide on all knowledge given, not what we are told is true, by restricting access to all knowledge.

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no i think your missing the point. your views would make sense at a public library. not so much the internet.

Originally posted by DarksDeception
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With respect, i think you are missing the whole point of the article. This is about control over the internet, and your freedom to gain and decide on all knowledge given, not what we are told is true, by restricting access to all knowledge.

Once again here is an argument posed by people without a clue as to how the internet even works. If I were to allow recursion on one of my dns servers then allow you to use this server to resolve dns for websites... tah dah just circumvented the filters.

Taken a step further and allow a proxy server to be setup, and you have now just become a member of the country that proxy server sits in.

One more step and I allow a VPN from your location to one of the server banks I run and now there is no way for them to actually see what you are doing much less filter it.

These filters might keep out the total morons, but to the people who really want to know and are willing to ask for help, there will always be a way.

..Ex

True anarchy is actually a civilized society with everyone of their own ability reacting civilly and productivily in context to each interaction.

Censoring one's ability to view information that may contradict officially released material is an act of oppression. It's a division of social/intellectual classes into a heirarchy that can be exploited by those higher on the chain.

I don't want to see Australia let this pass...even if there are ways around it. It's the principle of the matter here.

At least that is my humble opinion.

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Originally posted by DarksDeception

I again and again believe that Australia is used by TPTB as a test subject due to our complacency, to find a way to implement the change that is in line with their agenda.

I think they use all countries, but in different ways, for different things.

On this, funny how the hypocrites at the top do not want to be controlled do they?

Yes- they say anarchy like its a bad thing.

And here we have Australia's new Minister for Stupidity and Shoving His Morality Down Our Throats sprouting absolute bull#...AGAIN !

Did anyone watch the interview he did with Fairfax...Just like he did on the 7PM Project, he sprouted the "If you dont agree with our proposal to block kiddie porn you are a pervert" line...

He also began spitting and mumbling like Bananby Joyce does when the interviewer put to him whats being proposed wont do what its apparently intended to do..Conroy does not believe in a civil society like he says...He believes in a society where laws are put in place based on a minority' narrow moral viewpoint...I wont stand for that...

If compulsory internet content filtering becomes law in Australia, I will make it my life's work to ensure every single Australian knows how to bypass said filter, including children, simply to spite those who imposed their morality on me...

I guarantee Conjob will not be sitting in the Senate after the next Federal election if this legislation passes if there is a full Senate election and his seat is up for contest...

And yes DarksDecpeption, we are clearly being used as guinea pigs by those countries who are signatories to ACTA...If compulsory internet content filtering gets up in Australia, every single ACTA country will implement said filtering post haste...

Edit to add - So those of you in the US who value a free and uncensored internet had better watch what happens in Australia with great interest, as you will be next if this succeeds...If you think your constitution will save you, you're wrong...Look at the way governments have already ignored your constitution time and time again...The US government wants ACTA to get up so badly (because like all governments it is beholden to the interests of corporations and lobby groups) that it will do anything to ensure ACTA becomes a reality...

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[edit on 1/4/2010 by Retrovertigo]

Well, there is one problem with this free flow of information exchange: All the classified information that is being revealed. ... No, I do not mean that you or I may have top secret documents in our possession and are disclosing them to the world. Rather, as an example mind you, I could proclaim the government is keeping alien technology at area 51. Now, you and I may not know this to be true, but if it is true, and if it is highly classified information, then I have just committed a big no no .. treason. Right?

So, before you make something up next time and proclaim it on the internet, ya better make dang sure that it's not actually true and highly classified information or (technically) you could be arrested and convicted for espionage and disclosing state secrets. Right?

Just read this now and it makes my blood boil. Well actually I am pretty calm having just returned from a meditation class, but still... Words fail to explain how much of an EPIC FAIL this statement is. He says that movies and video games are censored so why not the Internet as well, but he fails to mention this does not include Adults! Filtering the internet to "save the kids" destroys the freedoms adults enjoy on the internet. It is not in the same ball park as as those other mediums and comparing the two shows how out of touch this MP really is with what the Australian people want.

[edit on 1/4/2010 by Dark Ghost]

The internet is fine how it is unless you are in the U.S. then it is just too slow. They are wanting to censor it just for the sake of control. I hear this and that about corporations getting hurt but it is all bs. Sure they may get short changed a lil bit but the truth is that we already have corporations set up on the internet. Google, Mozilla, Microsoft, Yahoo, Youtube, Ebay, Amazon, I-tunes, and the list goes on. This is about the freedom to express yourself. The internet is dangerous to TPTB because the information floating around can be believed and can change peoples viewpoints of the world around them. Retrovertigo is completely right. We in the U.S. will see this in the future. The lawyers/lobbyists in D.C. have been patiently waiting but they will get it done.

And now on top of Murdoch we've got Packer adding his say on the internet. PBL owns Nine. They are famous rivals of Rupert Murdoch and their brand of media Tycoonship has left the TV and Newspaper markets in Australia a devastated wasteland.

And now they set their sights on the internet.

Wait isn't Packer Jnr a Scientology freak?


[edit on 1-4-2010 by belial259]

Originally posted by Retrovertigo
Did anyone watch the interview he did with Fairfax...Just like he did on the 7PM Project, he sprouted the "If you dont agree with our proposal to block kiddie porn you are a pervert" line...

Yeah, I saw the 7pm Project interview.

What a jerk. Trying to strike fear in everyone by using kiddy porn.

On a slightly related note, have you seen the massive attention that the alleged 'internet predator kiddy rapist' has been getting on the news tonight? The MSM is leading the charge to warn about the dangers of the internet, by using one man grooming girls, for an example.

The internet should be unrestricted and uncensored.

The internet is not a public place, and there is no right of free speech on it. The internet is a series of privately owned and operated networks to which end the operators of those networks can do as they please and filter whatever content they see fit. It's like looking through someones living room window and complaining that they are not watchng the channel you want, and if they turn off their tv they are censoring you. The whole argument is based on the false assumption that the ethernet cable connected to your computer magically grants you some mythical "rights".

You can't say what you like here on ATS, the rest of the internet is no different.

The solution to this type of censorship is a simple one, but one that nobody is willing to partake in. As these networks are privately owned, usually by someone making a profit, like your ISP, if you do not like them censoring the information you essentially pay to view, do not give them your money. Now some might say "well that means I'd have no internet because all providers are doing it", to them I would say that is just an excuse for doing nothing but whining and the very reasoning that allows censorship to get its foothold in the first place. If everyone protested with their wallets rather than with idle chit chat on internet forums, maybe, just maybe you might actually be exercising the only real control over the internet you have.

We all know complaining about this to government is next to being a complete waste of time, but if ISPs start losing millions due to lost customers, how long do you thing it will be before they start complaining and lobbying government. Unlike the man on the street, government is far more sympathetic to big business. SO why not let them fight government for you?



[edit on 1-4-2010 by m4nchur14n]

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It isn't the ISP's who are proposing internet content filtering here, it is the government demanding they do it...And if it becomes reality, ALL Australian ISP's will be required to filter internet content based on a "banned site list" maintained by ACMA...

Privately, the CEO's of most Australian ISP's will tell you they are very much against compulsory internet content filtering...They prefer either no filtering, or an "opt in" system...

I say privately because publicly, apart from Michael Malone of Iinet, ISP CEO's either support the government's position or they are ambivalent about it...

Because they don't want to miss out on benefiting from the government's proposed fibre to the node network (NBN)...They are afraid of biting the hand that potentially feeds them...

The filtering proposal in Australia has not been instigated by ISP's...

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Retrovertigo
Did anyone watch the interview he did with Fairfax...Just like he did on the 7PM Project, he sprouted the "If you dont agree with our proposal to block kiddie porn you are a pervert" line...

Yeah, I saw the 7pm Project interview.

What a jerk. Trying to strike fear in everyone by using kiddy porn.

On a slightly related note, have you seen the massive attention that the alleged 'internet predator kiddy rapist' has been getting on the news tonight? The MSM is leading the charge to warn about the dangers of the internet, by using one man grooming girls, for an example.

The internet should be unrestricted and uncensored.

I have seen the attention the alleged "internet predator kiddie rapist" has been getting both in print and on TV, Tezzajw...To my mind this is not coincidence given the article that appeared in Fairfax yesterday...It seems some within the media are happy to deliberately push sensationalist articles that provide ammo for the government's position...

And I smell a very big rat lurking around amongst all this media crappola...

Originally posted by m4nchur14n
The internet is not a public place, and there is no right of free speech on it.

Wha? Ya got that upside down and backwards.

Actually, a public place is NOT a place for free speech (you can't just go around yelling in public whatever you want). It is only in non-public places where TRUE free speech exists (i.e. you can say any damn thing you want in your home, even stuff which could get you arrested if said publicly in a public place).