Losing their religion? Catholicism in turmoil

Losing their religion? Catholicism in turmoil

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Poland - An Austrian priest avoids mention of Pope Benedict XVI in his Masses. A Philadelphia woman stops going to confession, saying she now sees priests as more flawed than herself. British protesters call for the pontiff to resign.

As the faithful fill churches this Holy Week, many Roman Catholics around the world are finding their relationship to the church painfully tested by new revelations of clerical abuse and suggestions Benedict himself may have helped cover up cases in Germany and

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Experts say the church is facing a crisis of historic proportions.

I agree, this is quite historical
We are definately witnessing history here

"This is the type of problem that arises really once in a century, I think, and it might even be more significant,"

He is right, I think people don't see how big this really is.

In the pope’s native Germany, the Roman Catholic diocese in the western city of Trier said Monday that 20 of its current and former priests had been accused "in recent weeks" of sexual abuse.

It's not stopping!
More and more news keep coming
If this continues, something big will happen.

I do honestly think we are witnessing what will be the metamorphisis of catholicism. I would hope that this causes a ripple effect and even followers of other religions start questioning organized religion and it's religious leaders.

Regardless of my views however, I didn't make this thread really to highlight vatican scandals but rather to spark discussion on what I consider quite a historic moment that we are witnessing right now.

Thoughts?
Do you think we are witnessing history?

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Finally, the churches will follow the bible rather than the words of the Vatican. I have always know that the Vatican has harbored evil.

reply to post by Equinox99


I think what will happen... perhaps.. is that catholics might turn to anglicanism or protestant, but more likely anglican.
Isnt anglican almost catholicism but without the pope/vatican?

Read the entire article, it's very interesting!

I think something like this happened in the 15th century too, where people going to confession had to pay money to get their sins absorbed.
This caused many catholics to go to being anglican or protestant

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I thought Protestants came about when they moved away from Rome to follow the bible rather than the word of the Pope. That is why the Vatican kept on killing the Protestants.

Allegedly, I'm not joking, but there is a Nostradamus prophecy about followers turning away from the Catholic Church. One quatrain suggests the Pope will leave the Vatican in disgrace, who will then be replaced by the final Pontiff.

Originally posted by infinite
Allegedly, I'm not joking, but there is a Nostradamus prophecy about followers turning away from the Catholic Church. One quatrain suggests the Pope will leave the Vatican in disgrace, who will then be replaced by the final Pontiff.

Very possible, do you have that Quatrain, I read most of Nostradamus's works and saw the man who saw tomorrow.

check this out


The media really seems to be putting the spotlight on this

The Church and Pope are in deep denial - the disconnect between the flock and the Shepard is deep.

www.guardian.co.uk...

well, I hope one day religion vanishes

well, I least I hope for our society, its not like I dont accept that people use that as a way of life, but our society wont grow while people live their lives by the media and priests, they need to use their brain instead of living by somebody else's opinions

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Think about it in a different way...
the papacy was always supported by the various crowns of Europe
One son to be prince the other sent to the church.

Welcome to the 21st century... Gone are the Machiavellian medieval models, today its all about globalization and the church just doesn't fit anymore... little grasp of the right here right now...

We've lived with other sex scandals from other leaders (See The Blue Dress) That fact didn't harm their credibility. the church needs to look at all the other things its done (doing) wrong

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Well it could also be argued that by advancing science we are advancing our way of destroying each other. A recent thread to prove this is the "Scientists discover moral compass in the brain which can be controlled by magnets". If this falls in the wrong hands it will cause tragedy.

My point is that anything could fall in the hands of evil and the church has proven that. The only way to conquer our differences is through education of the masses.

Like you said, we need to learn how to use our brains. I learned that there are blind people leading blind followers everywhere.

However it's not over yet. Fundamentalist Zionist Christians will replace Catholicism. So that means we must face a new threat since that relgion is controlled by Israel

I find the timing interesting and suspicious. There has long been a prophecy (perhaps by Nostrodamus??) about the end of the church and the fact that the current pope's picture filled the last available spot on the wall where the pope pictures are at. Forgive me for not quotign where these come from, I am going off of memory here, so they may not be correct.

Pope Benedict is an interesting name in my opinion considering Benedict has conotations of traitor in American English.

Well, when your religion operates a child rape ring and participates in covering up evidence, you just might find your religion in "turmoil". They're due for the disdain they're receiving.

The Last Pope: Examining Nostradamus and Malachy
www.ccg.org...

Is this what everyone is talking about?

Heres a forum that talks about the destruction of the Catholic Church
forums.armageddononline.org...

Originally posted by infinite
Allegedly, I'm not joking, but there is a Nostradamus prophecy about followers turning away from the Catholic Church. One quatrain suggests the Pope will leave the Vatican in disgrace, who will then be replaced by the final Pontiff.

I believe you are referring to St. Malichys Prophecy of the Popes.
en.wikipedia.org...

You will find that St. Mailichy has been quite accurate with his prophecy.

111th Pope - Glory of the Olive - Benedict XVI - He will reign during the ultimate persecution of the Holy Roman Church

112th and final Pope - Peter the Roman - Unknown - who will nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the fearsome Judge will judge His people. The End.

According to the prophecy, after the current Pope will come the final Pope and then the either the end of the Catholic church or the end of the world.


Pope Benedict is 78 years old so it will not be long until the final Pope is in place.


[edit on 3/30/2010 by Erasurehead]

reply to post by Equinox99


science wont stop evolving, so it doesnt have anything to do with religion

but, if people evolve their brain, and it does have to do with religion, then people may be able to question these science ethic questions; if people live by the media and by a book, then we will be doomed

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Religion won't stop evolving either, and this thread is a perfect example. It shows people are stepping away from the Catholic church because of this issue. It isn't the theology itself but the people. I hope people will learn to become and see through individual eyes rather than through a mass.

I stepped away from the church long ago and I believe I make great moral decision because of what I did. I am a Christian who thinks as an individualist.

I hope most of those followers do the same.

Originally posted by Erasurehead
You will find that St. Mailichy has been quite accurate with his prophecy.

Actually, they're extremely vague as all "prophecies" seem to be. Had he named the actual popes I'm sure we'd revere his "prophetic" skills. Right now people are trying to shoehorn in the significance of a prophesied olive to the current pope. It's about as silly as any Nostradmus "prediction".

Not surprisingly, they're suspected to be forgeries.